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  • morstarmorstar Posts: 4,453
    Ice hockey ditches a man for extra time but the unbounded overtime that used to be a staple of the sport did lead to some very late nights. This is the biggest practical problem with it as transport shuts down.
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 22,619
    Hmmm, that VAR thing seems tad controversial...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 16,679
    ddraver said:

    Hmmm, that VAR thing seems tad controversial...

    Was offside, but I don't understand the handball rules any more, I think.
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 13,150

    ddraver said:

    Hmmm, that VAR thing seems tad controversial...

    Was offside, but I don't understand the handball rules any more, I think.
    By how much? I think offside VAR is ruining the game. There's a reason the rules were changed such that level is onside.
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 16,679

    ddraver said:

    Hmmm, that VAR thing seems tad controversial...

    Was offside, but I don't understand the handball rules any more, I think.
    By how much? I think offside VAR is ruining the game. There's a reason the rules were changed such that level is onside.
    Sure, but don't blame VAR if you don't like the rules. Change the rules.
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 13,150

    ddraver said:

    Hmmm, that VAR thing seems tad controversial...

    Was offside, but I don't understand the handball rules any more, I think.
    By how much? I think offside VAR is ruining the game. There's a reason the rules were changed such that level is onside.
    Sure, but don't blame VAR if you don't like the rules. Change the rules.

    ddraver said:

    Hmmm, that VAR thing seems tad controversial...

    Was offside, but I don't understand the handball rules any more, I think.
    By how much? I think offside VAR is ruining the game. There's a reason the rules were changed such that level is onside.
    Sure, but don't blame VAR if you don't like the rules. Change the rules.
    Firstly, I've advocated that for a long time. It should be based on torsos. Secondly, whether a decision is overturned is a matter for VAR implementation. Cricket has dealt with exactly this issue by using "umpire's call". It works.
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 13,150
    Having now seen it. He was level and onside in my view.
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 16,679
    Yes, with different rules, he would be.
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 13,150

    Yes, with different rules, he would be.

    You're that confident with the frame rate and the lines drawn on the video? A lot can happen in one frame. Again, something I've learnt from cricket.
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 16,679

    Yes, with different rules, he would be.

    You're that confident with the frame rate and the lines drawn on the video? A lot can happen in one frame. Again, something I've learnt from cricket.
    With that one, I was when I saw it, yes. There are others where you can't tell because of the frame rate and when the ball leaves the foot.
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 22,619
    The brief glance I took of it he did look in front to me, but then I wasn't invested either way really...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 13,150

  • ddraverddraver Posts: 22,619
    As I say...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 13,150
    Error range of tech Is between 13cm and 30cm.

    This is a longer version of my opinion.

    https://www.footballcritic.com/features/var-represents-the-first-regressive-change-to-offside-in-football-history-67801-39390-79784-76863-84510-93553/181

    If this was all decided in a court, a judge would need to consider what was meant by "level" when the rules were changed. At some microscopic detail, nothing is level, so the meaning needs to be interpreted.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 55,894 Lives Here
    morstar said:

    Ice hockey ditches a man for extra time but the unbounded overtime that used to be a staple of the sport did lead to some very late nights. This is the biggest practical problem with it as transport shuts down.

    Sure hence another player every 5 minutes.
  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 8,544
    Moneyball = barrow loads of dosh from global broadcasting / streaming providers.

    So how does moneyball arrange their product to fit with timelines and schedules if the duration and end point is elastic and indeterminate?

    'Snot sport. It's product.
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 15,791
    Eurosport used to manage this situation by continuing showing the tennis and cancelling the cycling. Bigger product wins.
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  • DeVlaeminckDeVlaeminck Posts: 7,056
    Re. VAR I thought yesterday it worked perfectly. To me it looked offside to the naked eye if you freeze frame it, VAR confirmed it and it was the correct decision.

    The only argument against it imo us that it kills spontaneity when you have to wait for a decision - that's largely for fans in the stadium and players though - watching a game on TV for me it just adds to the interest as well as being far more accurate.
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  • elbowlohelbowloh Posts: 6,117

    Re. VAR I thought yesterday it worked perfectly. To me it looked offside to the naked eye if you freeze frame it, VAR confirmed it and it was the correct decision.

    The only argument against it imo us that it kills spontaneity when you have to wait for a decision - that's largely for fans in the stadium and players though - watching a game on TV for me it just adds to the interest as well as being far more accurate.

    Yeah, that's my biggest bugbear, it kills the excitement and celebrations. I thought it was onside too to the naked eye. I thought it was only supposed to be for clear and obvious mis-calls? If they have to to the extent of suggesting an armpit is a mm offside then it's not clear and obvious, but rather looking for any excuse to rule out a goal.
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  • ProssPross Posts: 28,219
    For all the deserved complaints about VAR the penalty awarded to Morecambe against Newport County in the League 2 play-off today was a reminder of how bad decisions can be when there is no VAR available.
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