Why do people draft?

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  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    edited April 2021
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    amirite?
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  • aberdeen_lune
    aberdeen_lune Posts: 547
    The OP has a point. I always feel more confident I can stop quickly with my hydraulic disc brake bikes. My rim brakes stop well in the dry but not quite as well as the hydraulic disc bikes. Not enough to cause an issue in group rides unless riding carbon wheels with rim brakes in the wet.

    Does anyone on here think they can stop as fast on carbon rims with rim brakes in the wet as they can on hydraulic discs?
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,166
    aberdeen_lune said:

    The OP has a point. I always feel more confident I can stop quickly with my hydraulic disc brake bikes. My rim brakes stop well in the dry but not quite as well as the hydraulic disc bikes. Not enough to cause an issue in group rides unless riding carbon wheels with rim brakes in the wet.

    Does anyone on here think they can stop as fast on carbon rims with rim brakes in the wet as they can on hydraulic discs?

    I think you're the first to mention carbon rims
  • super_davo
    super_davo Posts: 1,228
    aberdeen_lune said:

    The OP has a point. I always feel more confident I can stop quickly with my hydraulic disc brake bikes. My rim brakes stop well in the dry but not quite as well as the hydraulic disc bikes. Not enough to cause an issue in group rides unless riding carbon wheels with rim brakes in the wet.

    Does anyone on here think they can stop as fast on carbon rims with rim brakes in the wet as they can on hydraulic discs?

    I can stop as fast on carbon rims/rim brakes in the dry as I can in the dry with hydraullic discs. I have both and switch between the two regularly so pretty confident on this. In the wet it is a different kettle of fish entirely but the example given was in the dry. I actually prefer the stopping with rim brakes on carbon rims vs ally, because they feel less "grabby" and easier to modulate. I can still lock the wheels on either.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    aberdeen_lune said:

    The OP has a point. I always feel more confident I can stop quickly with my hydraulic disc brake bikes. My rim brakes stop well in the dry but not quite as well as the hydraulic disc bikes. Not enough to cause an issue in group rides unless riding carbon wheels with rim brakes in the wet.

    Does anyone on here think they can stop as fast on carbon rims with rim brakes in the wet as they can on hydraulic discs?

    don't mix up your feelings with your abilities.

    your ego may well be writing cheques your body can't cash.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,614
    aberdeen_lune said:

    The OP has a point. I always feel more confident I can stop quickly with my hydraulic disc brake bikes. My rim brakes stop well in the dry but not quite as well as the hydraulic disc bikes. Not enough to cause an issue in group rides unless riding carbon wheels with rim brakes in the wet.

    Does anyone on here think they can stop as fast on carbon rims with rim brakes in the wet as they can on hydraulic discs?

    Yes but in both cases I have to use a wall to stop me
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    So the thread topic has changed from "I'm so awesome" to yet another "disc v rim" debate. Not good.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    I must admit it was a mega thread until, yes, again, someone decided it needed to be serious.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,124
    zest28 said:



    I am actually considering installing a very stinky, smelly spray that I can trigger from my handlebar if people are on my wheel.

    Sounds like a skunkworks project
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  • tetley10
    tetley10 Posts: 693
    aberdeen_lune said:

    The OP has a point. I always feel more confident I can stop quickly with my hydraulic disc brake bikes. My rim brakes stop well in the dry but not quite as well as the hydraulic disc bikes. Not enough to cause an issue in group rides unless riding carbon wheels with rim brakes in the wet.

    Does anyone on here think they can stop as fast on carbon rims with rim brakes in the wet as they can on hydraulic discs?

    I can if I am not looking at my power numbers or in a mirror to see who is drafting me.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,166
    aberdeen_lune said:

    The OP has a point. I always feel more confident I can stop quickly with my hydraulic disc brake bikes. My rim brakes stop well in the dry but not quite as well as the hydraulic disc bikes. Not enough to cause an issue in group rides unless riding carbon wheels with rim brakes in the wet.

    Does anyone on here think they can stop as fast on carbon rims with rim brakes in the wet as they can on hydraulic discs?

    If I'm on a bike with either of those it's not mine, so I'm not stopping.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    tetley10 said:

    aberdeen_lune said:

    The OP has a point. I always feel more confident I can stop quickly with my hydraulic disc brake bikes. My rim brakes stop well in the dry but not quite as well as the hydraulic disc bikes. Not enough to cause an issue in group rides unless riding carbon wheels with rim brakes in the wet.

    Does anyone on here think they can stop as fast on carbon rims with rim brakes in the wet as they can on hydraulic discs?

    I can if I am not looking at my power numbers or in a mirror to see who is drafting me.
    ah - the whole crux of the issue is that he didn't have a mirror to distract him from staring at his HUGE NUMBERS OF POWER
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,206
    I find that when a molecule of an oil of any kind gets on my disc brake pads, I can't stop as well as I can when dragging my cork-soled shoes on the ground.

    Also, when I get a cubic femtometre of air into the disc brake system and the levers pull all the way to the bars, I don't stop as quickly, until I hit the guy in front that I would have caught sooner or later anyway.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    but but but DISCS

    The guy at the shop told me that if I wanted PHAT NUMBERS I had to have discs.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • cookeeemonster
    cookeeemonster Posts: 1,991
    Total muppet jumps on strangers wheel unannounced and nearly hits him when said stranger brakes.

    /THREAD OVER.

  • johngti
    johngti Posts: 2,508
    tetley10 said:

    aberdeen_lune said:

    The OP has a point. I always feel more confident I can stop quickly with my hydraulic disc brake bikes. My rim brakes stop well in the dry but not quite as well as the hydraulic disc bikes. Not enough to cause an issue in group rides unless riding carbon wheels with rim brakes in the wet.

    Does anyone on here think they can stop as fast on carbon rims with rim brakes in the wet as they can on hydraulic discs?

    I can if I am not looking at my power numbers or in a mirror to see who is drafting me.
    Pfft, like that ever happens. Plus, have you ever used disc brakes? No. So you don't know, man, you weren't there, PTSD.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited April 2021
    bloke cycling along minding his own business, TOTAL MUPPET staring at power meter thinking he is MvdP fails to look around, fails to notice red light and slam on brakes causing minding own business bloke to take avoiding action to stop TOTAL MUPPET DISC MAN from causing accident.

    TOTAL MUPPET fails to realise that he is a TOTAL MUPPET

    /THREAD OVER.


    FTFY
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,206
    OP should have a long, hard look at himself.

    He could use one of these
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  • davep1
    davep1 Posts: 837
    edited April 2021
    zest28 said:

    pangolin said:

    No difference in the dry sorry. You can get the back wheel off the ground stopping on a front rim brake.

    Maybe his brakes were set up badly, but discs can be set up badly too.

    That could be a possibility.

    However disc brakes bikes are always good. I have some older mountain bikes and they always brake excellent 100%.
    I have two older mountain bikes with discs, and they are both lousy at the moment. My two older road bikes with rim brakes could possibly out brake either of them...

    Does this help?

    Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the study that showed the person doing the towing of the "drafter" got an 8% benefit too. So it isn't all bad...maybe that's why you nearly didn't stop in time?
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,206
    OP has gone quiet. Can't think why.
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    First.Aspect said:

    OP has gone quiet. Can't think why.

    Probably taking some time for bit of reflection
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    First.Aspect said:

    OP has gone quiet. Can't think why.

    i heard he was going so fast he overtook himself and now he's waiting to catch himself up again.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,342
    ...so he can brake test himself to prove his point?
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Or draft himself perhaps?
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    or is he actually Marty McFly and he's aiming fir the magical 88mph but the alleged draftee bought his speed down and that is why he is so angry?
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    MattFalle said:

    or is he actually Marty McFly and he's aiming fir the magical 88mph but the alleged draftee bought his speed down and that is why he is so angry?

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  • cookeeemonster
    cookeeemonster Posts: 1,991
    edited April 2021
    MattFalle said:

    bloke cycling along minding his own business, TOTAL MUPPET staring at power meter thinking he is MvdP fails to look around, fails to notice red light and slam on brakes causing minding own business bloke to take avoiding action to stop TOTAL MUPPET DISC MAN from causing accident.

    TOTAL MUPPET fails to realise that he is a TOTAL MUPPET

    /THREAD OVER.


    FTFY

    Ok calm down. In what world is tailgating a stranger and nearly causing an accident because of this acceptable? Forget the disc vs rim nonsense or power numbers, it’s just not something you do unless you know the person or have been given the go ahead somehow.

    And to do this on a road with traffic lights?!? Really?

    Not cool at all.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    nah fam, you calm down.

    who says he was tail gating?

    you have taken the word of someone who has told us he doesn't look behind him, doesn't really look in front of himself, just stares at his numbers and thinks he is stronger and better than everyone else.

    it sounds like OP was trying to go as fast as he could in a built up area, didn't see the traffic lights and slammed on his brakes nearly taking out some dude who is just pedalling along.

    and from his other post, it seems like this isn't the first time he has done this to someone.

    not cool at all.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    elbowloh said:

    MattFalle said:

    or is he actually Marty McFly and he's aiming fir the magical 88mph but the alleged draftee bought his speed down and that is why he is so angry?

    Was just told that we have a new member joining the team at work and his name is Michael Fox.
    now that's cool.

    remember to ask him at every opportunity why he is wearing a life preserver
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • tetley10
    tetley10 Posts: 693
    I'm surprised the OP has admitted that someone could actually keep up with him. I reckon he is starting the Tour of Turkey today to give the pros a chance.

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