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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,575
    DeadCalm said:

    roscoe said:

    If they let Carapaz and Yates go, puts a lot of pressure on Bernal to come back. Who else do they have for GC, Sivakov, Tao, Martinez?

    Arensman is / will be better than all of those. By some distance.
    Hmm, let's see shall we. He's not exactly set the world alight at DSM thus far.
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    andyp said:

    DeadCalm said:

    roscoe said:

    If they let Carapaz and Yates go, puts a lot of pressure on Bernal to come back. Who else do they have for GC, Sivakov, Tao, Martinez?

    Arensman is / will be better than all of those. By some distance.
    Hmm, let's see shall we. He's not exactly set the world alight at DSM thus far.
    I appreciate that Pogacar and Evenepoel have upped expectations for the youngsters, but he is still only 22. DSM have been easing him into the pro peloton slowly, as is their way. I've been following Arensman since he was an 18 year old when he was concentrating on his final year at school, so his racing was severely limited. Even so, he was third in U23 Paris-Roubaix, despite starting the race with blistered hands and working for his teammate who finished second. Then, in the Tour de l'Avenir, despite being the youngest rider in the race, he came second to Pogacar, beating amongst others, Vlasov, Sosa and Almeida, There is a reason that Ineos have outbid Jumbo and offered him "a salary too good to turn down".
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,575
    There's plenty of young riders who've excelled at u23 level (Sivakov is a great example) and failed to turn that early promise into success in the pro ranks. It's no guarantee of future success.
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    andyp said:

    There's plenty of young riders who've excelled at u23 level (Sivakov is a great example) and failed to turn that early promise into success in the pro ranks. It's no guarantee of future success.

    Sivakov was decent, and I'm a huge fan, but doubt he'll ever win a grand tour, sadly. Pretty sure Arensman has a very good chance of doing so (and so do the folks at Ineos and Jumbo handing out contracts) but, as you say, let's see.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,692
    RichN95. said:

    Pross said:

    No-one really proven at GT level though. Tao has obviously won the Giro but does anyone see hi becoming a regular contender? I'm not convinced by Sivakov at all.


    If Ineos buy Manchester United, Tao will leave on principle. He loves Arsenal so much that he's dating one of the players.
    Lotte isn't just any old Arsenal player, she's local - from Stoke Newington like Tao, and an Arsenal fan through and through.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    edited May 2022
    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    RichN95. said:

    Pross said:

    No-one really proven at GT level though. Tao has obviously won the Giro but does anyone see hi becoming a regular contender? I'm not convinced by Sivakov at all.


    If Ineos buy Manchester United, Tao will leave on principle. He loves Arsenal so much that he's dating one of the players.
    Lotte isn't just any old Arsenal player, she's local - from Stoke Newington like Tao, and an Arsenal fan through and through.

    They need to split up though. We need to think about the kids. Their surname will be Geoghegan Hart Wubben-Moy (or Ghwm for short)
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  • gethinceri
    gethinceri Posts: 1,677
    Sounds Welsh.
  • me-109
    me-109 Posts: 1,915
    The woman's family name comes first.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,717
    edited May 2022
    If you're wondering what Nico Roche is up to...



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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,717
    Belgium - the home of great acting

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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    roscoe said:

    If they let Carapaz and Yates go, puts a lot of pressure on Bernal to come back. Who else do they have for GC, Sivakov, Tao, Martinez?

    Martinez
    DeadCalm said:

    andyp said:

    There's plenty of young riders who've excelled at u23 level (Sivakov is a great example) and failed to turn that early promise into success in the pro ranks. It's no guarantee of future success.

    Sivakov was decent, and I'm a huge fan, but doubt he'll ever win a grand tour, sadly. Pretty sure Arensman has a very good chance of doing so (and so do the folks at Ineos and Jumbo handing out contracts) but, as you say, let's see.
    Some riders take a long time to mature ... G is one of those . Froome too really
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    edited May 2022
    mididoctors said:



    Some riders take a long time to mature ... G is one of those . Froome too really


    But Sivakov was the best u23 GC of his year, the son of two pros (a lot of early bloomers have pro parents or good contacts). Even then he was 9th in the 2019. He's not really kicked on. He has had some bad luck though, in contrast to TGH's great luck.

    Thomas was an Olympic champion at 20 but didn't try GC until late and Froome came from a cycling backwater with next to no cycling education.
    Sivakov has had some bad luck though, in contrast to TGH's great luck.
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  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,486
    Does Sivakov have bad luck or does he crash a lot because he is below average at descending? Ineos as a whole tend to have a lot of riders with excellent W/kg's, but sub par handling skills (not trying to sling mud. Most people, myself included are better at Zwift, where only W/kg matters, than at riding outside).
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  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,620
    Sivakov won't ever be a fully supported GT leader for them. I'm not convinced he'll ever be relied upon in the way Porte has been either. I find it difficult to see any of their current riders as a GT leader for them because the aim has to be to beat Pogacar.
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  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,953
    ddraver said:

    Belgium - the home of great acting

    I like the porn music towards the end that suggests a very different outcome.
  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,953
    gsk82 said:

    Sivakov won't ever be a fully supported GT leader for them. I'm not convinced he'll ever be relied upon in the way Porte has been either. I find it difficult to see any of their current riders as a GT leader for them because the aim has to be to beat Pogacar.

    I can see him probably going the way of someone like Dombrowski, who was also very good in the juniors but is now just a stage hunter. Maybe both would have benefited from being at a smaller team where they could have leadership roles with less pressure, like Hugh Carthy, where top 10s are a good return without ever really threatening the top step.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    For all the talk of Sivakov's shortcomings, it is worth mentioning that he is the only French cyclist to win a World Tour stage race in the last 15 years.
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  • pblakeney
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    RichN95. said:

    For all the talk of Sivakov's shortcomings, it is worth mentioning that he is the only French cyclist to win a World Tour stage race in the last 15 years.

    Bardet, S14 in the Vuelta last year?
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,610
    edited May 2022
    PB - Stage Race, not stage in a race
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    RichN95. said:

    mididoctors said:



    Some riders take a long time to mature ... G is one of those . Froome too really


    But Sivakov was the best u23 GC of his year, the son of two pros (a lot of early bloomers have pro parents or good contacts). Even then he was 9th in the 2019. He's not really kicked on. He has had some bad luck though, in contrast to TGH's great luck.

    Thomas was an Olympic champion at 20 but didn't try GC until late and Froome came from a cycling backwater with next to no cycling education.
    Sivakov has had some bad luck though, in contrast to TGH's great luck.
    Not sure about the best. Bernal was in the same U23 year as Sivakov, although in fairness, apart from his Tour de l'Avenir win, he barely rode any U23 races.

    And not all years are equal. Compare the top 10 of the 2017 Baby Giro which Vlasov won with the top 10 of the 2018 Tour de l'Avenir won by Pogacar for example.
  • ddraver
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    phreak said:

    ddraver said:

    Belgium - the home of great acting

    I like the porn music towards the end that suggests a very different outcome.
    Yeah I thought I'd just leave that hanging.... :D
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  • andyrac
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    m.r.m. said:

    Does Sivakov have bad luck or does he crash a lot because he is below average at descending? Ineos as a whole tend to have a lot of riders with excellent W/kg's, but sub par handling skills (not trying to sling mud. Most people, myself included are better at Zwift, where only W/kg matters, than at riding outside).

    Well, they could do something about it; if you have a weakness, you rectify it. Get him off road, getting used to the bike moving around under him.....I mean, his team probably has the world's best off road rider ( CX World Champion/ MTB Olympic Champion).
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,575
    Carapaz set to choose between extending at Ineos, returning to Movistar or moving to EF Easypost according to Velonews.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,610
    Quickstep to Alpecin
  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 12,038
    edited May 2022
    Dorset_Boy said:

    Quickstep to Alpecin

    wow, following on from Deceuninck - I wonder what that means for the current Alpha Vinyl team then.........

    Last year it was reported they had signed a 6 year deal though, I'm confused.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    andyp said:

    Carapaz set to choose between extending at Ineos, returning to Movistar or moving to EF Easypost according to Velonews.

    It feels like he would be mad to accept the Movistar option given two other choices.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,610
    Sorry, my mistake, it's not Quickstep to Alpecin, it's Deceuninck to Alpecin and effective from 1st july this year so they'll be Alpecin Deceuninck at the Tour.
  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 12,038
    Dorset_Boy said:

    Sorry, my mistake, it's not Quickstep to Alpecin, it's Deceuninck to Alpecin and effective from 1st july this year so they'll be Alpecin Deceuninck at the Tour.

    Ah ok, maybe a formalisation\bigger role as fenix (Who ever they are) depart, as I was fairly sure they already appear on the Alpecin Fenix riders shorts.
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  • ddraver
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    ddraver said:

    If you're wondering what Nico Roche is up to...



    (E Scooter racing. That's Former cursed Olympic skater Elise Christie in the centre)
    For the sake of completeness - here is some footage. Looks like a pretty decent stag do, but people actually pay money for this???

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  • No_Ta_Doctor
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    phreak said:

    gsk82 said:

    Sivakov won't ever be a fully supported GT leader for them. I'm not convinced he'll ever be relied upon in the way Porte has been either. I find it difficult to see any of their current riders as a GT leader for them because the aim has to be to beat Pogacar.

    I can see him probably going the way of someone like Dombrowski, who was also very good in the juniors but is now just a stage hunter. Maybe both would have benefited from being at a smaller team where they could have leadership roles with less pressure, like Hugh Carthy, where top 10s are a good return without ever really threatening the top step.
    I remember Tao talking about staying at (then) Sky with the aim of moving up the chain of mountain doms. I know Ineos have reconfigured their tactics since the "all in for plan A mountain train" days, but I'm not sure I've ever seen Sivakov take the last mountain dom role consistently as Porte, Poels etc did. I think that's possibly the tell.
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