2022 Transfers: Rumours & Facts
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Why was Benoot there in the first place of they don't pay well? He must've had other offers.DeadCalm said:"Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
Not sure there were to be honest. Plus he's only interested in Dutch speaking teams.gsk82 said:0 -
Yep. I have no direct knowledge of Benoot, but I do have the fact that JV pay more than Sunweb on pretty good authority.rick_chasey said:
Not sure there were to be honest. Plus he's only interested in Dutch speaking teams.gsk82 said:0 -
Benoot is one of those riders who is too strong to let up the road in dangerous breaks or solo, and not quick enough to be a factor in any real sort of sprint.
Probably also feels he's too good to act as a pure domestique.
He's won 3 pro races in 7 full seasons as a pro.
What do you do with him if you're a DS?1 -
Sounds like ineos train fodder1
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The Ineos train is dead now though I thought, it's all about the JV train, even more so since Dennis has moved across.Felt F70 05 (Turbo)
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He may think he's better than that. Although an Ineos paycheck probably helps change one's mind.....shirley_basso said:Sounds like ineos train fodder
Anyway, will be interesting to see if he's used as a stalking horse for WVA in the Classics.0 -
That is Benoot's best bet, though I think the days of '00s QS style tactics of having a strong man up the road with Boonen playing stop with his sprint are over for now, as the likes of WvA, JA and MvdP are happy to rip it up from a lot further out and make it less about team tactics and more man v man tactics.yorkshireraw said:
He may think he's better than that. Although an Ineos paycheck probably helps change one's mind.....shirley_basso said:Sounds like ineos train fodder
Anyway, will be interesting to see if he's used as a stalking horse for WVA in the Classics.0 -
I remember when Benoot was being touted as the next Boonen...
Isn't there a suggestion that WvA has been left a bit isolated towards the end of races and his response is get on the front and tire himself out... so having a few more teammates around him for longer into the race means he can sit in more.0 -
Didn't I see no licence for Qhubeka for 2022?0
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Pretty much.dish_dash said:I remember when Benoot was being touted as the next Boonen...
Isn't there a suggestion that WvA has been left a bit isolated towards the end of races and his response is get on the front and tire himself out... so having a few more teammates around him for longer into the race means he can sit in more.
Benoot has poor positioning and it really costs him.0 -
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This is a major problem with the World Tour and more specifically the race organisers. Especially ASO.
A team like Qhukeka should be a Pro Conti team introducing African riders to the pro ranks. But they won't get the invites to big races. ASO, RCS etc will hand out the wild cards to locals. Ironically I think this hurts French cycling.
There need to be fewer WT teams and more wild cards with more diversity. Back in the 80s they branched out into 7-11, ANC and Cafe de Colombia. Now they are shutting those routes off in favour of French indulgence.Twitter: @RichN951 -
Back in the 80s the French teams were getting in on their own merit so the TDF could afford to branch out. Now they rely on wild cards to get a few French riders on the start line and they can’t afford to be so generous.1
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Just checked and interesting that the 2 French WT teams, who used to (esp in FDJ case) be almost totally French, each had 'only' 4 French riders in this years tour.
Total had 5.
B&B, who I didn't even notice in the race, (which is maybe the point being made), had a full French team....
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Did you actually watch the Tour? Franck Bonnamour won the most combative rider prize, justifiably.yorkshireraw said:
B&B, who I didn't even notice in the race, (which is maybe the point being made), had a full French team....
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Mea Culpa.andyp said:
Did you actually watch the Tour? Franck Bonnamour won the most combative rider prize, justifiably.yorkshireraw said:
B&B, who I didn't even notice in the race, (which is maybe the point being made), had a full French team....
I did but only the highlights the last week tho.
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In the last TDF, Qhubeka's highest stage placing was 10th (worse than all the French wildcard teams), their best GC finisher was Henao in 21st, over an hour down, and they finished 21st in the team competition, behind all 3 French wildcards. They were represented by a Colombian, a Spaniard, an American, an Australian, a Belgian, an Austrian and, oh, a South African.RichN95. said:This is a major problem with the World Tour and more specifically the race organisers. Especially ASO.
A team like Qhukeka should be a Pro Conti team introducing African riders to the pro ranks. But they won't get the invites to big races. ASO, RCS etc will hand out the wild cards to locals. Ironically I think this hurts French cycling.
There need to be fewer WT teams and more wild cards with more diversity. Back in the 80s they branched out into 7-11, ANC and Cafe de Colombia. Now they are shutting those routes off in favour of French indulgence.
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Interestingly, I see that Qhubeka's demise means that next year Arkea Samsic get an automatic wildcard for all WT races alongside Alpecin Fenix (spit!), so there will likely be a new team in the TDF. I'd hope that it would be Uno-X.0 -
Dylan Groenewegen to bike exchange.Felt F70 05 (Turbo)
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Groenewegan has been released and joined bike exchange"Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0
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That's a good move for both parties.0
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Which emphasises my point. Qhebeka are a Pro Conti standard team but have to operate at WT level to get into decent races. And as a result they are overstretched. While French teams are guaranteed invites so can operate at Pro Conti level with a WT level riders and target fewer races.DeadCalm said:
In the last TDF, Qhubeka's highest stage placing was 10th (worse than all the French wildcard teams), their best GC finisher was Henao in 21st, over an hour down, and they finished 21st in the team competition, behind all 3 French wildcards. They were represented by a Colombian, a Spaniard, an American, an Australian, a Belgian, an Austrian and, oh, a South African.Twitter: @RichN951 -
Will he get selection for the Strictly Tour team?0
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No Sam Bennett's a shoe in for one legged tap dancing.PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230
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I still don't understand your point. They didn't need to go WT. The last year Qhubeka were pro-conti they got a wildcard to the TDF. The year before that, they had a wildcard to the Vuelta. They were getting into decent races. I accept that they are unlikely to get wildcards anytime soon, but that's not because of any conspiracy, but because they are pretty useless and more importantly, have barely any African riders.RichN95. said:
Which emphasises my point. Qhebeka are a Pro Conti standard team but have to operate at WT level to get into decent races. And as a result they are overstretched. While French teams are guaranteed invites so can operate at Pro Conti level with a WT level riders and target fewer races.DeadCalm said:
In the last TDF, Qhubeka's highest stage placing was 10th (worse than all the French wildcard teams), their best GC finisher was Henao in 21st, over an hour down, and they finished 21st in the team competition, behind all 3 French wildcards. They were represented by a Colombian, a Spaniard, an American, an Australian, a Belgian, an Austrian and, oh, a South African.0 -
Fact check: Qhebeka have been a World Tour team since 2016.DeadCalm said:
I still don't understand your point. They didn't need to go WT. The last year Qhubeka were pro-conti they got a wildcard to the TDF. The year before that, they had a wildcard to the Vuelta. They were getting into decent races. I accept that they are unlikely to get wildcards anytime soon, but that's not because of any conspiracy, but because they are pretty useless and more importantly, have barely any African riders.
We also now have a situation were there are 19 WT teams, plus the top PCT team getting a blanket invite. So only three wildcards. This may go back to just two soon. The Tour gave all three to French teams, the Vuelta all to Spanish teams and the Giro two to Italian teams and Basso's team.
The so called World Tour has been shut off for most of the world. While French teams, who have only won seven races in 13 seasons of the World Tour get 30% of the spots in the biggest race. I don't think it is rightTwitter: @RichN951 -
There was me thinking EF had a bigger budget for 2022... but I get it nowDeadCalm said:
Yep. I have no direct knowledge of Benoot, but I do have the fact that JV pay more than Sunweb on pretty good authority.rick_chasey said:
Not sure there were to be honest. Plus he's only interested in Dutch speaking teams.gsk82 said:
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