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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,307

    I was sufficiently annoyed by the BBC blanket coverage to complain last week. I've just received a response, apparently sent to everyone who complained. You can probably guess the substance, but anyway, here it is

    The passing of HRH the Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh was a significant event which generated a lot of interest both nationally and internationally.

    We acknowledge your complaint about the level of coverage, particularly in relation to the BBC News Special simultaneously broadcasting on BBC One and Two on Friday 9 April. We do not make such changes to billed schedules without careful consideration.

    The decisions made reflect the role the BBC plays as the national broadcaster, during moments of national significance.

    We are grateful for your feedback, and we always listen to the response from our audiences. Your comments have been shared with senior management.


    Or in other words, up yours.

    They're only showing the funeral on one bbc channel. That's progress, and the complaints maybe helped with that decision.
    Really? Maybe they did. All 109,000 of them, including mine. A new record, nearly twice as many as the next most complained about thing.
    Time to move on and cook that winning Masterchef meal.

    Never seen it.
    You would have if Phillip hadn't popped his clogs.
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,311

    I was sufficiently annoyed by the BBC blanket coverage to complain last week. I've just received a response, apparently sent to everyone who complained. You can probably guess the substance, but anyway, here it is

    The passing of HRH the Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh was a significant event which generated a lot of interest both nationally and internationally.

    We acknowledge your complaint about the level of coverage, particularly in relation to the BBC News Special simultaneously broadcasting on BBC One and Two on Friday 9 April. We do not make such changes to billed schedules without careful consideration.

    The decisions made reflect the role the BBC plays as the national broadcaster, during moments of national significance.

    We are grateful for your feedback, and we always listen to the response from our audiences. Your comments have been shared with senior management.


    Or in other words, up yours.

    They're only showing the funeral on one bbc channel. That's progress, and the complaints maybe helped with that decision.
    Really? Maybe they did. All 109,000 of them, including mine. A new record, nearly twice as many as the next most complained about thing.
    Time to move on and cook that winning Masterchef meal.

    What's the problem with Masterchef?

    It's 2.5 hours a week on one channel for a few weeks and maybe some viewers take inspiration and improve their eating habits, which can only be a good thing in a nation that up to 20 years ago could barely reheat food from a tin. Programs like that (and many others of course ) have done a lot, in my opinion. Don't think that people knew what celeriac was... I still remember when I moved to the UK and all you could buy, in terms of fresh veg, were potatoes, carrots, onions and cabbage...
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  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    Was this during rationing ugo?
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,311
    pangolin said:

    Was this during rationing ugo?

    Just after...

    It was 21 years ago, but outside of London. In London you could already buy everything, but supermarkets in Sheffield were so basic...
    To find some decent veg, we had to go to a hippy Vegan shop (before it was fashionable!) called Beanies... apparently it still exists, now they even have a posh website

    https://www.beanieswholefoods.co.uk/
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    pangolin said:

    Was this during rationing ugo?

    Just after...

    It was 21 years ago, but outside of London. In London you could already buy everything, but supermarkets in Sheffield were so basic...
    To find some decent veg, we had to go to a hippy Vegan shop (before it was fashionable!) called Beanies... apparently it still exists, now they even have a posh website

    https://www.beanieswholefoods.co.uk/
    My mother came over about 30 years ago or so.

    Can confirm she felt the same.
  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    You could get loads of different veg 21 years ago in our supermarkets in surrey, i was working in one! Veggies I'd never heard of at the time, like moolies!

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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,307
    elbowloh said:

    You could get loads of different veg 21 years ago in our supermarkets in surrey, i was working in one! Veggies I'd never heard of at the time, like moolies!

    That'll be the around the year 2000 then?
    I reckon things changed for the better during the '90s.
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  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    pblakeney said:

    elbowloh said:

    You could get loads of different veg 21 years ago in our supermarkets in surrey, i was working in one! Veggies I'd never heard of at the time, like moolies!

    That'll be the around the year 2000 then?
    I reckon things changed for the better during the '90s.
    I remember moolies from the mid 90's ( my mum worked there then)
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    elbowloh said:

    pblakeney said:

    elbowloh said:

    You could get loads of different veg 21 years ago in our supermarkets in surrey, i was working in one! Veggies I'd never heard of at the time, like moolies!

    That'll be the around the year 2000 then?
    I reckon things changed for the better during the '90s.
    I remember moolies from the mid 90's ( my mum worked there then)
    Had to google what a moolie was.

    First hit, US derogatory term for a black person, derived from eggplant (i.e. aubergine), is that right?
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867

    pangolin said:

    Was this during rationing ugo?

    Just after...

    It was 21 years ago, but outside of London. In London you could already buy everything, but supermarkets in Sheffield were so basic...
    To find some decent veg, we had to go to a hippy Vegan shop (before it was fashionable!) called Beanies... apparently it still exists, now they even have a posh website

    https://www.beanieswholefoods.co.uk/
    My mother came over about 30 years ago or so.

    Can confirm she felt the same.
    I can cope with an Italian sneering at our cuisine but not the Dutch.

    Down south things got better in the early 90s
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    pangolin said:

    Was this during rationing ugo?

    Just after...

    It was 21 years ago, but outside of London. In London you could already buy everything, but supermarkets in Sheffield were so basic...
    To find some decent veg, we had to go to a hippy Vegan shop (before it was fashionable!) called Beanies... apparently it still exists, now they even have a posh website

    https://www.beanieswholefoods.co.uk/
    My mother came over about 30 years ago or so.

    Can confirm she felt the same.
    I can cope with an Italian sneering at our cuisine but not the Dutch.

    Down south things got better in the early 90s
    Haha.

    She had a blazing row with a friend's mother when she heard she'd fed me coca cola and fairy cakes aged 4.

    She was *horrified* when she heard that kids were given sweets when we went on school trips and not fruit or sandwiches.

    She could not believe how unhealthily children were fed here.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    It's hard to argue with 21 years ago Rick's Mum...
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  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Sounds like a social class thing ;)
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited April 2021
    ddraver said:

    It's hard to argue with 21 years ago Rick's Mum...

    Tell me about it. (though more like 29 years ago)
  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078

    elbowloh said:

    pblakeney said:

    elbowloh said:

    You could get loads of different veg 21 years ago in our supermarkets in surrey, i was working in one! Veggies I'd never heard of at the time, like moolies!

    That'll be the around the year 2000 then?
    I reckon things changed for the better during the '90s.
    I remember moolies from the mid 90's ( my mum worked there then)
    Had to google what a moolie was.

    First hit, US derogatory term for a black person, derived from eggplant (i.e. aubergine), is that right?
    No.

    Its like a long white radish. More commonly called a daikon now, with the rise in Vietnamese restaurants in the UK.
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  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078

    pangolin said:

    Was this during rationing ugo?

    Just after...

    It was 21 years ago, but outside of London. In London you could already buy everything, but supermarkets in Sheffield were so basic...
    To find some decent veg, we had to go to a hippy Vegan shop (before it was fashionable!) called Beanies... apparently it still exists, now they even have a posh website

    https://www.beanieswholefoods.co.uk/
    My mother came over about 30 years ago or so.

    Can confirm she felt the same.
    I can cope with an Italian sneering at our cuisine but not the Dutch.

    Down south things got better in the early 90s
    Haha.

    She had a blazing row with a friend's mother when she heard she'd fed me coca cola and fairy cakes aged 4.

    She was *horrified* when she heard that kids were given sweets when we went on school trips and not fruit or sandwiches.

    She could not believe how unhealthily children were fed here.
    We certainly weren't given sweets!
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  • david37
    david37 Posts: 1,313

    pangolin said:

    Was this during rationing ugo?

    Just after...

    It was 21 years ago, but outside of London. In London you could already buy everything, but supermarkets in Sheffield were so basic...
    To find some decent veg, we had to go to a hippy Vegan shop (before it was fashionable!) called Beanies... apparently it still exists, now they even have a posh website

    https://www.beanieswholefoods.co.uk/
    lol sheffield the place that gave us the full monty. by the time ugo arrived there were already vegan shops. i think he doth protest too much.

  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,554
    Aubergines surely became popular in the UK in the late 70s when mousaka became popular! B)

    Plenty of veggie and vegans around in the 1980s in the UK. Far easier to be one in the UK than it was in the likes of France at the time.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104
    Hmmmm I can remember eating a wider range of vegetables in my youth than some of you seem to remember being available and I'm certainly older than Ugo. Cauliflower, Brussels, Parsnips, Radishes, Turnip, Broccoli, French Beans, Peas, Aubergine and Courgette to add to the list were all common. But why would you want them when you could have a Vesta Chow Mein and a slice of Arctic Roll for dessert?
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867

    Aubergines surely became popular in the UK in the late 70s when mousaka became popular! B)

    Plenty of veggie and vegans around in the 1980s in the UK. Far easier to be one in the UK than it was in the likes of France at the time.


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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,311

    Hmmmm I can remember eating a wider range of vegetables in my youth than some of you seem to remember being available and I'm certainly older than Ugo. Cauliflower, Brussels, Parsnips, Radishes, Turnip, Broccoli, French Beans, Peas, Aubergine and Courgette to add to the list were all common. But why would you want them when you could have a Vesta Chow Mein and a slice of Arctic Roll for dessert?

    All stuff hard to get hold of in Sheffield in 2000...

    Point is that it's only thanks to programs like Masterchef, and Jamie Oliver and Mary Berry and stuff that people got back in the kitchen... the diabetes bill to the NHS would be a lot steeper otherwise...

    That is somewhat different from the pointless roll to roll repetition of the achievements of a privileged old man
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  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    Turnips were available in Regency times for sure. Saw it in Blackadder.

    All those veggies listed were available when i was a child in the 80s! I know as they were all put on my plate at various times and i refused to eat them all.
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,311
    elbowloh said:

    Turnips were available in Regency times for sure. Saw it in Blackadder.

    All those veggies listed were available when i was a child in the 80s! I know as they were all put on my plate at various times and i refused to eat them all.

    Maybe they were available, certainly swede was available... but nobody wanted to eat turnips... I mean, who wants to eat turnips?
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  • mrb123
    mrb123 Posts: 4,814

    elbowloh said:

    Turnips were available in Regency times for sure. Saw it in Blackadder.

    All those veggies listed were available when i was a child in the 80s! I know as they were all put on my plate at various times and i refused to eat them all.

    Maybe they were available, certainly swede was available... but nobody wanted to eat turnips... I mean, who wants to eat turnips?
    The Scottish.
  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    mrb123 said:

    elbowloh said:

    Turnips were available in Regency times for sure. Saw it in Blackadder.

    All those veggies listed were available when i was a child in the 80s! I know as they were all put on my plate at various times and i refused to eat them all.

    Maybe they were available, certainly swede was available... but nobody wanted to eat turnips... I mean, who wants to eat turnips?
    The Scottish.
    YEah, but they eat haggis - which means they'll eat anything. Like the French.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    edited April 2021

    Hmmmm I can remember eating a wider range of vegetables in my youth than some of you seem to remember being available and I'm certainly older than Ugo. Cauliflower, Brussels, Parsnips, Radishes, Turnip, Broccoli, French Beans, Peas, Aubergine and Courgette to add to the list were all common. But why would you want them when you could have a Vesta Chow Mein and a slice of Arctic Roll for dessert?

    All stuff hard to get hold of in Sheffield in 2000...

    Point is that it's only thanks to programs like Masterchef, and Jamie Oliver and Mary Berry and stuff that people got back in the kitchen... the diabetes bill to the NHS would be a lot steeper otherwise...

    That is somewhat different from the pointless roll to roll repetition of the achievements of a privileged old man
    So, it's a good thing that cookery programmes got women back in the kitchen.
    Good luck with that around here.

    I think the big difference in fruit and veg when I was a lad was that there was plenty of choice, but everything was seasonal.
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,311

    Hmmmm I can remember eating a wider range of vegetables in my youth than some of you seem to remember being available and I'm certainly older than Ugo. Cauliflower, Brussels, Parsnips, Radishes, Turnip, Broccoli, French Beans, Peas, Aubergine and Courgette to add to the list were all common. But why would you want them when you could have a Vesta Chow Mein and a slice of Arctic Roll for dessert?

    All stuff hard to get hold of in Sheffield in 2000...

    Point is that it's only thanks to programs like Masterchef, and Jamie Oliver and Mary Berry and stuff that people got back in the kitchen... the diabetes bill to the NHS would be a lot steeper otherwise...

    That is somewhat different from the pointless roll to roll repetition of the achievements of a privileged old man
    So, it's a good thing that cookery programmes got women back in the kitchen.
    Good luck with that around here.
    That's what you said... as a matter of fact, there are probably more men entering Masterchef than women, certainly more male finalists than female.

    There are more male chefs in Great British Menu by quite some margin.

    There are 50/50 in Great British Bake off

    Basically, I don't WTF you are talking about...

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  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,603
    edited April 2021
    If it wasn't for our current foodie ways and desire for avocados young people would famously be able to afford to get on the property ladder.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Jezyboy said:

    If it wasn't for our current foodie ways and desire for avocados young people would famously be able to afford to get on the property ladder.

    and the weather would be cooler
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,311
    edited April 2021
    Jezyboy said:

    If it wasn't for our current foodie ways and desire for avocados young people would famously be able to afford to get on the property ladder.

    Probably not... the ratio of average house price / average salary has increased quite a lot.
    Just in my profession, a young academic in the 1970-80s could afford a 4 bed semi- or detached, whereas now they can afford a 2 bed flat or a terraced, depending on the area. In London the difference is more stark.

    The house prices are pumped by the availability of cheap credit, which has very little to do with disposable income. If you did spend less on food or Netflix, you would still get access to the same credit and the amount you can squirrel up as deposit would be peanuts anyway and make zero difference. If you saved £ 100 a month in food bill, which is a lot by any standard, in ten years you'd have 12 grand, which is less than 5% of the value of a property... in 10 years... peanuts...
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