The Royals
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I'm staggered that BBC1 viewing figures dipped by 6% compared to last Friday. Only 6%.0
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So, Rick hates the Police because somebody stole his bike and now he hates the monarchy because the DoE stole his music by dying at an inconvenient time.
The NHS better not steal his vaccination or I fear the Cake Stop may not be able to cope."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.3 -
It's not an ideal approach, but I'm not sure I could stand a four-yearly popularity contest.DeVlaeminck said:Sad for the Queen.
When she's gone it'd be a good opportunity to modernise the monarchy - by which I mean replace them with actors so we can still have people conducting functions of a head of state, riding in carriages, travelling abroad and meeting people in traditional dress etc - but we do away with the objectionable hereditary element of it.
That seems to me a win win.
Also, funny how people rant on about how objectionable the hereditary principle is for the royals, but think that the government getting a slice of their inheritance and its outrageous1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Thought I'd misread his comment when he said he hadn't made any impact. Thousands of kids a year do D of E and they had several on news reports saying how it had changed their lives by boosting their confidence. He's also credited with significantly modernising the monarchy (yeah, I know but he took it from the 17th century into the 19th).Dorset_Boy said:
Clearly Rick has never heard of things like the DoE scheme.....rjsterry said:
To you, maybe.rick_chasey said:
I was in Holland when Beatrix’s husband died. It was top of the news billing and they changed NOS 1 (bbc equivalent) scheduling for one hour long documentary.rjsterry said:
Possibly you are mistaken. Seems pretty normal for the death of the spouse of a serving head of state.rick_chasey said:
Well quite - i thought it was just for an hour or so on live tv. I didn’t think it would ruin an entire day of programming (which you then can’t watch/ listen later).kingstongraham said:
I thought live radio and tv was for losers?rick_chasey said:
All bbc outletssurrey_commuter said:
Is this BBC or all channels?rick_chasey said:Ok I had no idea how bad this stopping all the radio and tv is.
Why are they still only playing ballards on the radio?
Ffs this is mad
I thought they only did that stuff in dictatorships.
Another appeared on Sunday morning. That was it. And it was a state funeral which presumably went out live.
A day of ‘mourning’ is nuts - this is the biggest impact the guy has ever had!
or maybe it's just more hyerbolic trolling by him.0 -
This is all fine it doesn’t warrant this response.
Plenty of good people who do lots die all the time.
I’m not saying he’s not a good bloke. I’m sure in his position of ridiculous privilege he did some good things. I’m sure DoE was just wonderful for everyone.
I just don’t understand why the telly and radio needs to “mourn”.
All those billboards, Piccadilly Circus. Feels totally excessive. Totally over the top.
People are fully entitled to be upset / want to grieve if they want. That’s their business.
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Apparently the BBC had so many complaints they created a dedicated form for it. I managed about 20 mins of 6music this morning. It was a farce, the presenter trying to sound downbeat in between a never ending string of morose songs. I wonder who had to vet the list to make the lyrics were suitable and the tune struck the right note. Quite bizarre.0
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I don’t hate the guy. Until the bbc went weird about his death I barely knew anything about him. He wasn’t head of state, just married to them, so I figured he was just some one else irrelevant caught in the trappings of the royals who spends his day doing charitable stuff to justify the royal existence.blazing_saddles said:So, Rick hates the Police because somebody stole his bike and now he hates the monarchy because the DoE stole his music by dying at an inconvenient time.
The NHS better not steal his vaccination or I fear the Cake Stop may not be able to cope.
It’s not a particularly extreme position I’m taking - the coverage and the “mourning” is totally out of proportion to what has happened.0 -
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Joking aside I actually think it'd work. We want to keep the tradition, the ceremony and so on. It's part of our culture.rjsterry said:
It's not an ideal approach, but I'm not sure I could stand a four-yearly popularity contest.DeVlaeminck said:Sad for the Queen.
When she's gone it'd be a good opportunity to modernise the monarchy - by which I mean replace them with actors so we can still have people conducting functions of a head of state, riding in carriages, travelling abroad and meeting people in traditional dress etc - but we do away with the objectionable hereditary element of it.
That seems to me a win win.
Also, funny how people rant on about how objectionable the hereditary principle is for the royals, but think that the government getting a slice of their inheritance and its outrageous
I've even heard ardent monarchists argue that it's about the institution rather than the individuals. The Queen has a role - so why not take that to its logical conclusion and cast professional actors in that role.
The remnants of actual power and influence the monarchy has would obviously have to go but I would guess that would find favour with most even if we kept the current family in post.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
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That's not the comment people were responding to though. You said it was the biggest impact he's ever had, I wouldn't say disrupting the TV and radio schedules for a couple of days is a greater impact than the DoE scheme. I don't think anyone has suggested the coverage / disruption to programming isn't excessive.1
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Here's today's sports news...
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For someone supposedly as widely read and knowledgeable on all manner of subjects, I barely believe a word of your first paragraph. It's not like he's not been regularly in the headlines throughout your life or anything.rick_chasey said:
I don’t hate the guy. Until the bbc went weird about his death I barely knew anything about him. He wasn’t head of state, just married to them, so I figured he was just some one else irrelevant caught in the trappings of the royals who spends his day doing charitable stuff to justify the royal existence.blazing_saddles said:So, Rick hates the Police because somebody stole his bike and now he hates the monarchy because the DoE stole his music by dying at an inconvenient time.
The NHS better not steal his vaccination or I fear the Cake Stop may not be able to cope.
It’s not a particularly extreme position I’m taking - the coverage and the “mourning” is totally out of proportion to what has happened.
I do however think that most sane people would agree that there is excessive mourning and the changing of radio schedules to play the stuff they've been playing is unnecessary.
However the death of the husband of the longest serving monarch in history (of the UK and Commonwealth at least), after 73 years of marriage is a pretty big deal, even if you in your anti-royalist outlook think it might not be.4 -
I thought DoE was a way to have a jolly for hiking types subsidised?
Certainly how it was sold to me. I think a mate once applied and got £50 for our trip to cycle around Cornwall for a week iirc0 -
Mixed views on this media coverage . For context I'm not a royalist - I'm not a rabid anti I just can't square the idea of a hereditary monarch as head of state with us being a democracy.
Anyway part of me thinks it's reasonable and even important to mark his death this way. To have some shared cultural events - things which reinforce shared values - which bind us together. It's the 2012 Olympics, it's the FA Cup Final, Rememberance Sunday, Bradley Wiggins, Bank Holiday at the beach etc.
Another part of me thinks the idea of a monarchy (without Equity cards) is too politically loaded to really be something that should be a core part of our shared culture and whilst his death is obviously need the blanket coverage felt like someone trying to impose what we should be feeling on us.
I think on balance I wouldn't object to it. It's one day to mark 99 years and for many people this is more than just a familiar celebrity passing away. Shared culture is never going to be shared universally - there are probably many in the UK for whom Christmas is just another day but we accept the TV schedules are dominated by festive specials for weeks.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
you have very little idea have you.rick_chasey said:
I was in Holland when Beatrix’s husband died. It was top of the news billing and they changed NOS 1 (bbc equivalent) scheduling for one hour long documentary.rjsterry said:
Possibly you are mistaken. Seems pretty normal for the death of the spouse of a serving head of state.rick_chasey said:
Well quite - i thought it was just for an hour or so on live tv. I didn’t think it would ruin an entire day of programming (which you then can’t watch/ listen later).kingstongraham said:
I thought live radio and tv was for losers?rick_chasey said:
All bbc outletssurrey_commuter said:
Is this BBC or all channels?rick_chasey said:Ok I had no idea how bad this stopping all the radio and tv is.
Why are they still only playing ballards on the radio?
Ffs this is mad
I thought they only did that stuff in dictatorships.
Another appeared on Sunday morning. That was it. And it was a state funeral which presumably went out live.
A day of ‘mourning’ is nuts - this is the biggest impact the guy has ever had!2 -
For someone who claims to be well educated. You know how to let yourself down in a big way.rick_chasey said:I thought DoE was a way to have a jolly for hiking types subsidised?
Certainly how it was sold to me. I think a mate once applied and got £50 for our trip to cycle around Cornwall for a week iirc5 -
grade A trollingrick_chasey said:I thought DoE was a way to have a jolly for hiking types subsidised?
Certainly how it was sold to me. I think a mate once applied and got £50 for our trip to cycle around Cornwall for a week iirc1 -
No. The expedition is only part of it, there's charity / volunteering amongst the other sections.rick_chasey said:I thought DoE was a way to have a jolly for hiking types subsidised?
Certainly how it was sold to me. I think a mate once applied and got £50 for our trip to cycle around Cornwall for a week iirc
https://www.dofe.org/do/sections/
I would have thought it would be right up your street as it gives inner city kids a chance to get out and experience the countryside doing the things the likes of me who grew up on the edge of the Brecon Beacons took for granted.2 -
I hate the idea of royalty and have no interest in them so learned more about him reading The Economist obituary than I had garnered before.rick_chasey said:
I don’t hate the guy. Until the bbc went weird about his death I barely knew anything about him. He wasn’t head of state, just married to them, so I figured he was just some one else irrelevant caught in the trappings of the royals who spends his day doing charitable stuff to justify the royal existence.blazing_saddles said:So, Rick hates the Police because somebody stole his bike and now he hates the monarchy because the DoE stole his music by dying at an inconvenient time.
The NHS better not steal his vaccination or I fear the Cake Stop may not be able to cope.
It’s not a particularly extreme position I’m taking - the coverage and the “mourning” is totally out of proportion to what has happened.
I remember being incandescent when Diana died as they took the World Waterski Championships off the TV. To this day I don’t get why you need the same program on both channels. You learn to impose your own media blackout and it does not bother you so much.0 -
rick your right on factually incorrect view of the world, feeble understanding of employment law, despite your admin role in recruitment and poo pooing of positive contributions to society that Dof E makes makes me wonder.
This history degree you have, was it from an ex poli?
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I thought you might have taken an interest given his pretty remarkable naval career, all in his early twenties.surrey_commuter said:
I hate the idea of royalty and have no interest in them so learned more about him reading The Economist obituary than I had garnered before.rick_chasey said:
I don’t hate the guy. Until the bbc went weird about his death I barely knew anything about him. He wasn’t head of state, just married to them, so I figured he was just some one else irrelevant caught in the trappings of the royals who spends his day doing charitable stuff to justify the royal existence.blazing_saddles said:So, Rick hates the Police because somebody stole his bike and now he hates the monarchy because the DoE stole his music by dying at an inconvenient time.
The NHS better not steal his vaccination or I fear the Cake Stop may not be able to cope.
It’s not a particularly extreme position I’m taking - the coverage and the “mourning” is totally out of proportion to what has happened.
I remember being incandescent when Diana died as they took the World Waterski Championships off the TV. To this day I don’t get why you need the same program on both channels. You learn to impose your own media blackout and it does not bother you so much.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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This is an honest question, I'm not on a wind up or trollboting.
How much involvement did Phil the Greek have in the DofE award scheme? Did he initiate, promote, have a role (in earlier days obvs), be active? Or is it a bit like the QE2 bridge, there's the name crack on?0 -
I believe he came up with the idea and he certainly personally gave out the vast majority of the gold awards at Buck House up to c15 years ago. Clearly the programme has been updated and modified over the years.orraloon said:This is an honest question, I'm not on a wind up or trollboting.
How much involvement did Phil the Greek have in the DofE award scheme? Did he initiate, promote, have a role (in earlier days obvs), be active? Or is it a bit like the QE2 bridge, there's the name crack on?0 -
It was his idea.0
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Blimey, the things people get worked up about. As I don't watch TV or listen to the Beeb, I'm blissfully unaware. Might go off piste and listen to some Le Jazz tonight.0
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Last night I was told a story about a friend of my sisters, who I also did youth work with, many years ago.orraloon said:This is an honest question, I'm not on a wind up or trollboting.
How much involvement did Phil the Greek have in the DofE award scheme? Did he initiate, promote, have a role (in earlier days obvs), be active? Or is it a bit like the QE2 bridge, there's the name crack on?
I didn't know this was possible, but apparently she took the DoE alongside her young charges and got a gold award.
She went to Windsor and received her award from the Duke. After the ceremony, the two of them spent quite some time in conversation.
Knowing this lady as I do, I can only say that's worth a gold gong for commitment!
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
"I got my first BJ on my DoE gold" - unknown1
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Duke of Ed is one of those things only half the population of NI do.
I was at Uni before I knew what it was.
Interesting for the week that's in it.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Spent several months doing various activities for my DofE gold award including volunteering with a local cub scout pack.
Failed to complete the final activity I needed which was the residential stay - my teenage self didn't fancy a few nights away with a load of "losers".
Hence the entire process was a total waste of time.0
