Will you have the Covid-19 vaccine?
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Yes I will.
Coincidentally I work for the company that helped oxford with the initial development of it and the manufacturer of most of the equipment used to produce it.0 -
joe2019 said:Pross said:
You'd feel a bit silly looking at that whilst not intending having it I would have thought. I've been very pleasantly surprised by the extent of take up so far, reportedly over 90% in all the categories that have been offered the jab. I suspect it will reduce in the younger age groups where people are invincible but it looks like it will be way in excess of the two thirds that originally thought I was being optimistic in predicting.pblakeney said:Scores on the doors to date.
72%, 0%, 25%, 2%. Guess which option is 0%?
Yep, pretty conclusive so far, I guess it reflects the demographic on here.
In a recent poll on Chemist & Druggist 56% of the respondents said they would NOT have it - would they be mainly pharmacists?
https://www.chemistanddruggist.co.uk/news/more-half-cd-readers-wont-get-covid-19-vaccine
One suspects that a self-selecting poll on a public website isn't necessarily going to be representative...3 -
Pross said:
Because the greatest likelihood of you contracting Covid will be when things reopen and not everyone has been vaccinated?joe2019 said:Pross said:For someone who said they're not anti-vax you are coming across as finding lots of reasons for arguing against having the vaccination. As for the teenage kids question, my teenage daughter (and early 20s daughter) are both very keen to have it ASAP as they want to be able to get things back to normal as soon as possible.
I"ve had all my vaccinations, including all the African/Asian travel versions.
With so many willing guinea pigs, why would I rush to get this one without being better informed?
What exactly is it you don't think has been adequately tested in the trials?
Oh, I believe it has been adequately tested in the trials (although I would hope for robustly, rather than 'adequately').
I'm not so sure that the vaccine that is being rolled out by the million is necessarily of the same purity as the one used in the trails.0 -
im all for choice, I have no interest in being told what to do but in this instance, the implications of a small number of people making a decision not to get vaccinated is that the rest of us are likely to pay through ongoing lifestyle restrictions, through massively increased taxes (corporation tax for my small business is going up over 25% ) and through a crippled economy.
Its like terrorists demanding personal rights that affect the rest of us only massively more impactful.
There would ideally be no choice in the vaccine in my world but as a fall back position a vaccine passport, itself a massive infringement of personal liberty designed to remove from society those who chose to put the rest of us at risk is reasonable.
Of course if a persons desire to be part of society is greater than their desire to be a scrote then the uptake of vaccine will rise.0 -
Well, of course not, there's bound to be some trace impurities when they add the microchipsjoe2019 said:Pross said:
Because the greatest likelihood of you contracting Covid will be when things reopen and not everyone has been vaccinated?joe2019 said:Pross said:For someone who said they're not anti-vax you are coming across as finding lots of reasons for arguing against having the vaccination. As for the teenage kids question, my teenage daughter (and early 20s daughter) are both very keen to have it ASAP as they want to be able to get things back to normal as soon as possible.
I"ve had all my vaccinations, including all the African/Asian travel versions.
With so many willing guinea pigs, why would I rush to get this one without being better informed?
What exactly is it you don't think has been adequately tested in the trials?
Oh, I believe it has been adequately tested in the trials (although I would hope for robustly, rather than 'adequately').
I'm not so sure that the vaccine that is being rolled out by the million is necessarily of the same purity as the one used in the trails.0 -
bompington said:
Well, of course not, there's bound to be some trace impurities when they add the microchips
The vaccine is a genetic intervention, and BioNTech has admitted that there are DNA contaminants.
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You've got me there, I have no idea what you're talking about and Google doesn't help.joe2019 said:BioNTech has admitted that there are DNA contaminants.
You don't seriously believe all the "mRNA vaccines will change your DNA" stuff do you? You are aware that every mouthful you eat contains vast amounts of DNA?0 -
This again sounds like you trying to find a reason to justify not having it. Each batch is tested, this was the reason cited for the original rollout being a bit slower than some hoped.joe2019 said:Pross said:
Because the greatest likelihood of you contracting Covid will be when things reopen and not everyone has been vaccinated?joe2019 said:Pross said:For someone who said they're not anti-vax you are coming across as finding lots of reasons for arguing against having the vaccination. As for the teenage kids question, my teenage daughter (and early 20s daughter) are both very keen to have it ASAP as they want to be able to get things back to normal as soon as possible.
I"ve had all my vaccinations, including all the African/Asian travel versions.
With so many willing guinea pigs, why would I rush to get this one without being better informed?
What exactly is it you don't think has been adequately tested in the trials?
Oh, I believe it has been adequately tested in the trials (although I would hope for robustly, rather than 'adequately').
I'm not so sure that the vaccine that is being rolled out by the million is necessarily of the same purity as the one used in the trails.0 -
186 respondents with nothing I could see suggesting their backgrounds. I know nothing about that site other than it is effectively an online version of a trade journal. Maybe only those in the trade responded or maybe it's the sort of site that attracts people with anti-medicinal views, who knows? The only number that really matters is the real-world uptake rather than 98% on this site who have said they have or will have the vaccine and that number is reportedly over 90%.joe2019 said:Pross said:
You'd feel a bit silly looking at that whilst not intending having it I would have thought. I've been very pleasantly surprised by the extent of take up so far, reportedly over 90% in all the categories that have been offered the jab. I suspect it will reduce in the younger age groups where people are invincible but it looks like it will be way in excess of the two thirds that originally thought I was being optimistic in predicting.pblakeney said:Scores on the doors to date.
72%, 0%, 25%, 2%. Guess which option is 0%?
Yep, pretty conclusive so far, I guess it reflects the demographic on here.
In a recent poll on Chemist & Druggist 56% of the respondents said they would NOT have it - would they be mainly pharmacists?
https://www.chemistanddruggist.co.uk/news/more-half-cd-readers-wont-get-covid-19-vaccine0 -
This isn't the point.joe2019 said:briantrumpet said:"Alexa, should I have the freedom not to have a vaccine and thereby potentially spread a deadly virus?"
I wasn't aware that the vaccine stops the spread of infection?
The point is that the vaccine reduces the risk of major illness/hospitilisation by a lot.
Keep people less sick
Keep them out of hospital
Less ill people means less dead people.
Less people in hospital means less limited health resources being taken up
Less limited health resources being taken up by covid mean that HCPs can do their jobs
HCPs doing their job means that they can care for everyone else
Less covid patients means that HCPs can work under normal conditions and hours and not work their goddamn backsides off under appalling conditions
Apply that across society..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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There is a saying about fish...The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Pross said:
186 respondents with nothing I could see suggesting their backgrounds. I know nothing about that site other than it is effectively an online version of a trade journal. Maybe only those in the trade responded or maybe it's the sort of site that attracts people with anti-medicinal views, who knows? The only number that really matters is the real-world uptake rather than 98% on this site who have said they have or will have the vaccine and that number is reportedly over 90%.joe2019 said:Pross said:
You'd feel a bit silly looking at that whilst not intending having it I would have thought. I've been very pleasantly surprised by the extent of take up so far, reportedly over 90% in all the categories that have been offered the jab. I suspect it will reduce in the younger age groups where people are invincible but it looks like it will be way in excess of the two thirds that originally thought I was being optimistic in predicting.pblakeney said:Scores on the doors to date.
72%, 0%, 25%, 2%. Guess which option is 0%?
Yep, pretty conclusive so far, I guess it reflects the demographic on here.
In a recent poll on Chemist & Druggist 56% of the respondents said they would NOT have it - would they be mainly pharmacists?
https://www.chemistanddruggist.co.uk/news/more-half-cd-readers-wont-get-covid-19-vaccine
Other than they read C&D I guess.
Still it's 140 more respondents than this poll
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MattFalle said:
This isn't the point.joe2019 said:briantrumpet said:"Alexa, should I have the freedom not to have a vaccine and thereby potentially spread a deadly virus?"
I wasn't aware that the vaccine stops the spread of infection?
The point is that the vaccine reduces the risk of major illness/hospitilisation by a lot.
Keep people less sick
Keep them out of hospital
Less ill people means less dead people.
Less people in hospital means less limited health resources being taken up
Less limited health resources being taken up by covid mean that HCPs can do their jobs
HCPs doing their job means that they can care for everyone else
Less covid patients means that HCPs can work under normal conditions and hours and not work their goddamn backsides off under appalling conditions
Apply that across society.
Of course, however, I was simply replying to the point made about the vaccine reducing the spread of this 'deadly illness'.
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Can you not just come out and admit that you are a full-blown antivaxxer with your vague and unjustified scare stories?joe2019 said:3 -
joe2019 said:
I'm not so sure that the vaccine that is being rolled out by the million is necessarily of the same purity as the one used in the trails.
Serious question, you think they're cutting it with another substance?Ben
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yes its sodding deadly.joe2019 said:MattFalle said:
This isn't the point.joe2019 said:briantrumpet said:"Alexa, should I have the freedom not to have a vaccine and thereby potentially spread a deadly virus?"
I wasn't aware that the vaccine stops the spread of infection?
The point is that the vaccine reduces the risk of major illness/hospitilisation by a lot.
Keep people less sick
Keep them out of hospital
Less ill people means less dead people.
Less people in hospital means less limited health resources being taken up
Less limited health resources being taken up by covid mean that HCPs can do their jobs
HCPs doing their job means that they can care for everyone else
Less covid patients means that HCPs can work under normal conditions and hours and not work their goddamn backsides off under appalling conditions
Apply that across society.
Of course, however, I was simply replying to the point made about the vaccine reducing the spread of this 'deadly illness'.
are you saying it isn't?.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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is he serious?Ben6899 said:joe2019 said:I'm not so sure that the vaccine that is being rolled out by the million is necessarily of the same purity as the one used in the trails.
Serious question, you think they're cutting it with another substance?.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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MattFalle said:
yes its sodding deadly.joe2019 said:MattFalle said:
This isn't the point.joe2019 said:briantrumpet said:"Alexa, should I have the freedom not to have a vaccine and thereby potentially spread a deadly virus?"
I wasn't aware that the vaccine stops the spread of infection?
The point is that the vaccine reduces the risk of major illness/hospitilisation by a lot.
Keep people less sick
Keep them out of hospital
Less ill people means less dead people.
Less people in hospital means less limited health resources being taken up
Less limited health resources being taken up by covid mean that HCPs can do their jobs
HCPs doing their job means that they can care for everyone else
Less covid patients means that HCPs can work under normal conditions and hours and not work their goddamn backsides off under appalling conditions
Apply that across society.
Of course, however, I was simply replying to the point made about the vaccine reducing the spread of this 'deadly illness'.
are you saying it isn't?
Sodding deadly for 1% who catch it for sure, for the other 99% not so much I guess.
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bompington said:
Can you not just come out and admit that you are a full-blown antivaxxer with your vague and unjustified scare stories?joe2019 said:
I am pro-vaccine, I've had every single one that I have ever been offered, my children have had all their childhood vaccines to date.
Have a read of this:
http://enformtk.u-aizu.ac.jp/howard/gcep_dr_vanessa_schmidt_krueger/?s=08&fbclid=IwAR2jRwwnx0HgCv8bDSqnJXHtUb7SpFqFxr895WMPn_-K-y739CEQE1edjEM
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joe2019 said:
Got any papers by Dr McKeith?Ben
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"If we wait until July we won’t have any Israelis left as far as I can tell."
Is there anywhere I can place a bet on that being wrong.0 -
Oh my goodness.joe2019 said:
A quick flick through shows a lot of scientific-sounding waffle, but of course I haven't read it all the way.
And I'll bet you haven't either, just the takeaway message you've found on antivaxx websites.1 -
well, you're willing to base your opinion on an interview without having completed any reviews of her clinical research....joe2019 said:
are you in the medical field out of interest?.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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