The end of rim brake is upon us
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I can live without guards if it comes to that... I no longer do audax and my wife has a new Wahoo Kickr that I could use if the weather was too foul in winter.
The number of outlets selling frames only has shrunk dramatically... as above, among the reasonably priced options, Ribble still do... Kinesis do... there really isn't much else and if you want rim brakes, then the choice is pretty much inexistent.left the forum March 20230 -
I'm sure once the brexit and covid supply and demand issues settle down we will all be able to buy a pro carbon frameset from planet x for £200 again.ugo.santalucia said:I can live without guards if it comes to that... I no longer do audax and my wife has a new Wahoo Kickr that I could use if the weather was too foul in winter.
The number of outlets selling frames only has shrunk dramatically... as above, among the reasonably priced options, Ribble still do... Kinesis do... there really isn't much else and if you want rim brakes, then the choice is pretty much inexistent.0 -
It's been a while since Planet X have sold any bargain road frame... besides, I really don't want to go around with a fake orange Holdsworth... I wish they went back to using their own brand and decent colour schemes... there was nothing wrong with a Planet X sticker, not sure who they think they are conning by buying historic logos and sticking them on Chinese frames.darkhairedlord said:
I'm sure once the brexit and covid supply and demand issues settle down we will all be able to buy a pro carbon frameset from planet x for £200 again.
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My new “old stock” Planet X1 -
Yes it seems odd that they wouldn't want to build their own brand. I could understand it to an extent with Viner who had more of a premium image (I'm assuming PX bought the Viner name rather than just distributed Viner bikes) but Holdsworth carries no cachet with anyone short of retirement age.ugo.santalucia said:
It's been a while since Planet X have sold any bargain road frame... besides, I really don't want to go around with a fake orange Holdsworth... I wish they went back to using their own brand and decent colour schemes... there was nothing wrong with a Planet X sticker, not sure who they think they are conning by buying historic logos and sticking them on Chinese frames.darkhairedlord said:
I'm sure once the brexit and covid supply and demand issues settle down we will all be able to buy a pro carbon frameset from planet x for £200 again.
I wonder if perhaps the sudden lack of rim brake options is partly been accelerated by increased demand and decreased production due to Covid. If you can sell everything you produce maybe simplifying your range makes sense. I'm not suggesting rim brakes will bounce back just that it may have been a catalyst for the change.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Spa Cycles do a good Reynolds 725 frame with carbon forks that takes mudguards,ugo.santalucia said:I can live without guards if it comes to that... I no longer do audax and my wife has a new Wahoo Kickr that I could use if the weather was too foul in winter.
The number of outlets selling frames only has shrunk dramatically... as above, among the reasonably priced options, Ribble still do... Kinesis do... there really isn't much else and if you want rim brakes, then the choice is pretty much inexistent.
for not a lot of money.
https://www.spacycles.co.uk/m11b0s143p2828/SPA-CYCLES-Steel-Audax-Frame-and-Forks
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I think I'm done with rust-ware... I now enjoy Hill Climbing, so light is best. I got the Dolan down to 7.2 kg, which is by no means competitive in the sport, but it's better than the 8+ I would manage with a steel frame.de_sisti said:
Spa Cycles do a good Reynolds 725 frame with carbon forks that takes mudguards,ugo.santalucia said:I can live without guards if it comes to that... I no longer do audax and my wife has a new Wahoo Kickr that I could use if the weather was too foul in winter.
The number of outlets selling frames only has shrunk dramatically... as above, among the reasonably priced options, Ribble still do... Kinesis do... there really isn't much else and if you want rim brakes, then the choice is pretty much inexistent.
for not a lot of money.
https://www.spacycles.co.uk/m11b0s143p2828/SPA-CYCLES-Steel-Audax-Frame-and-Forks
It's a simple equation... at my level in Hill Climbing 1 kg is about 5-7 Watts, depending on the hill... which broadly means 3-5 seconds, which in some races means up to 5 places up or down... it could just be the difference between qualifying for the National or notleft the forum March 20230 -
I took my Dolan Dual out of hibernation on 1st March. I must admit to liking the acceleration it has over my Spa Audax bike. My bike-riding is not sporting (I just do it for enjoyment), so any mention watts makes my head hurt.
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Tbh, if you are bargain hunting and enjoy tinkering get an orange Holdsworth dirt cheap then get it sprayed any colour you want for a hundred quid and voila - light, cheap, your colour.
If you're handy, do it yourself.
None of this is difficult to get to the end goal you want..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Got this bargain frame as a spare, fully compatible with my Dual... it's got a few minor issues, but nothing serious... would do as peace of mind in case of a sudden crack developing
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dolan-Preffisio-52cm-Road-Bike-Frame-And-Headset/313443498859?hash=item48fab03b6b:g:JnUAAOSwuwdgQlvGleft the forum March 20232 -
I absolutely hate the direction the bike industry has taken. What happened to the days when cycling was a cheap mode of transport for the masses or when you could spend less than a couple of grand and get an absolutely stellar bike? Now we're all paying for R and D and marketing that makes sod all difference to the vast majority of us in the real world. Aero this, disc that, electronic the other. I hope there are firms out there that will spot a niche and continue supplying rim brakes bikes with normal tube profiles and mechanical gearing for those of us who value simplicity and ease of servicing over 8 grands worth of plastic and carbon fibre that isn't actually any faster unless it's got a pro providing the engine.
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Please no replies about Brexit, inflation, the Tories blah blah. This has been going on for a long time now and whilst the above may be factors, the industry has consciously moved in a certain direction for it's own ends and not for it's customers benefit.0 -
Can I comment on your apostrophe misuse then?1
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Absolutelygethinceri said:Can I comment on your apostrophe misuse then?
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The most minor of infringements though, more a parking ticket than a major felony.shortfall said:
Absolutelygethinceri said:Can I comment on your apostrophe misuse then?
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Shortfall - I would agree with you there. Over the last decade, at least, cycling seems to have been marketed as a "lifestyle" choice. With social media, it has taken on an element of being a part of who you are rather than a hobby/sport or something you just do i.e. ride a bike.
I think this has brought a whole new load of enthusiastic cyclists into the mix, which is a good thing, but it has also meant lots more consumers with different ideas of what cycling is about and also a lot of disposable income to spend on this new 'lifestyle' of choice.
Bike manufacturers, as well as clothing and component manufacturers as well, have understandably jumped on this and the focus for many seems to be on the premium end these days.
There will always be a place for rim brake frames as there is a still a market for them, they will just be squeezed down to the minimum and leave those of us that still want them with limited choice.2 -
You absolutely can, though. For well under a grand you can get an excellent Giant AL Contend, or something from Decathlon's house brand. Most big brands have a budget line, still plenty of rim brake options.shortfall said:I absolutely hate the direction the bike industry has taken. What happened to the days when cycling was a cheap mode of transport for the masses or when you could spend less than a couple of grand and get an absolutely stellar bike? Now we're all paying for R and D and marketing that makes sod all difference to the vast majority of us in the real world. Aero this, disc that, electronic the other. I hope there are firms out there that will spot a niche and continue supplying rim brakes bikes with normal tube profiles and mechanical gearing for those of us who value simplicity and ease of servicing over 8 grands worth of plastic and carbon fibre that isn't actually any faster unless it's got a pro providing the engine.
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Please no replies about Brexit, inflation, the Tories blah blah. This has been going on for a long time now and whilst the above may be factors, the industry has consciously moved in a certain direction for it's own ends and not for it's customers benefit.
I did a lot of bike shopping in 2019/20. I found many, many excellent bikes at relatively affordable prices, especially between $1,200 and $2,000.
As for being a "cheap mode of transportation for the masses," there are tens of thousands of used bikes to be had for a song that work perfectly well.
If you are talking about what euphemistically used to be called "racing" bikes, well, that's a different story. But if weight is not your be-all end-all, then plenty of options well under 3k.
I fully agree that the bar for high-end bikes has radically moved higher and not sure that you gain anything significant over 4k, but it's like watches -- they all tell time but at a certain point you're into a piece of jewelry rather than just a clock on your wrist...
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I watched the pantomime of Strade Bianche at the weekend where several riders suffered punctures on their disc braked bikes. Neutral service was unable to help in most cases due the the varying specifications of groupsets, cassette sizes and disc sizes. When team cars were involved the riders almost exclusively chose to take a new bike rather than wait for the inevitable faff of swapping a disc wheel (especially if it was a rear puncture). Pro teams must now have to budget for extra bikes to cope with this development rather than just having a few spare wheels.
In some situations the time factor could cost a rider a win or podium place. I wonder if this factor may eventually drive the pros back to rim brakes0 -
If it was down to the teams, they would have no hesitation... problem is if you have a contract with Specialized or Trek, you don't really have that option.arlowood said:
In some situations the time factor could cost a rider a win or podium place. I wonder if this factor may eventually drive the pros back to rim brakes
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I contacted Ribble about an Endurance SL rim version in the grey colour and was told they won’t be restocked, so if you’re after an Endurance with rim breaks then I’d buy the black one while you can.0
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Buggers...hairylobsterI-z0sbgt said:I contacted Ribble about an Endurance SL rim version in the grey colour and was told they won’t be restocked, so if you’re after an Endurance with rim breaks then I’d buy the black one while you can.
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Of course they are. You will soon be told they are must have items and you will be "back of the pack" without then. These are people trying to sell you things. They have very little morals or scruple's about what they sell, their only concern is getting your money.ballysmate said:Perhaps the new improved cross ply tyres are imminent then?
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Presumably that's because the demand isn't there, if people wanted them they would get them in again. I don't think Ribble are market leaders forcing their will on the public. They order what they know they can sell.hairylobsterI-z0sbgt said:I contacted Ribble about an Endurance SL rim version in the grey colour and was told they won’t be restocked, so if you’re after an Endurance with rim breaks then I’d buy the black one while you can.
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Yes just snap up one of the unsold rim brake bikes from last year...[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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I'll be OK as long as they don't stop selling brake pads! I'm now up to 4 rim brake road bikes (De Rosa SK, Dolan Dual, Scott CR1) with this little Chinese steel gem from Amazon being the latest addition. I thought it's an easy return if it's rubbish, but I was gobsmacked at the beautiful polished finish, light weight, and tidy craftsmanship, so it's a keeper.
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now thats got serious potential! more piccies amd info please!bobones said:I'll be OK as long as they don't stop selling brake pads! I'm now up to 4 rim brake road bikes (De Rosa SK, Dolan Dual, Scott CR1) with this little Chinese steel gem from Amazon being the latest addition. I thought it's an easy return if it's rubbish, but I was gobsmacked at the beautiful polished finish, light weight, and tidy craftsmanship, so it's a keeper.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Reynolds 520? Meh.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Its £420 for a winter bike. Tbf, you can't get a decent lunch for £420.....
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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If it looks blingy and cool then thats the battle won..
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Only in childs sizes too.pblakeney said:Reynolds 520? Meh.
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noted that which is A Bad Thing.veronese68 said:
Only in childs sizes too.pblakeney said:Reynolds 520? Meh.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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