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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,623
    I see Wayne Pivac has been given the elbow to be repaced by Gatland for the 6 Nations
  • Takes him out of the running for the England job then.
  • Hmmm Would have preferred Shaun Edwards, but he’s contracted to France for the time being.
    Deffo didn’t want Eddie. :D
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,680
    I can't work out where they see it going after the 6 Nations. We'll get to see how good a job Gatland can do without Edwards, my guess is Edwards is what made the difference.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,738
    Looks like Eddie is for the chop too.

    At least Wayne and he can share a shipping crate back down south.

    I'm not convinced this is a good plan...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,680
    I’d like to see Warburton being brought into the setup with a view to moving into the coaching role. That said, the WRU are doing their usual trick of papering over the cracks and ignoring the subsidence in the foundations that are causing the cracks.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,623
    ddraver said:

    Looks like Eddie is for the chop too.

    At least Wayne and he can share a shipping crate back down south.

    I'm not convinced this is a good plan...

    England need to sack Eddie. He is wasting the talent available, and constantly breaks players unnecessarily and pulls players into squads only to dump on them.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,738
    Which Experienced World Cup ready coach are we replacing him with?
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,680
    ddraver said:

    Which Experienced World Cup ready coach are we replacing him with?

    Pivac 😂
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,738

    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • laurentian
    laurentian Posts: 2,590
    ddraver said:

    Which Experienced World Cup ready coach are we replacing him with?

    Pretty sure that Steve Borthwick will be England coach at some point - not sure that's going to be before the WC. I had read last week that Gatland was open to being England coach for the 6N should Jones be binned off (obviously won't happen now) the other one I read was Ronan O'Gara . . . which I found surprising
    Wilier Izoard XP
  • mrb123
    mrb123 Posts: 4,844
    Jones gone.
  • laurentian
    laurentian Posts: 2,590
    Richard Cockerill in as interim coach
    Wilier Izoard XP
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,738
    This is a mistake...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,680
    On one hand I was surprised that his win ratio was so high (England’s best ever) then on the other hand I was surprised that winning 3 games out of every 4 is the highest ever as it doesn’t actually feel that prolific. That said I assume the second half of his tenure dented the stats quite a bit.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,623
    What has annoyed England fans isn't just the results, it's the terrible style of play, deliberately leaving out some players and picking other favourites who are off form, breaking players badly in training, and playing people out of position.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,680
    Hadn’t realised the SA teams were now included in the European competitions. That feels a bit ridiculous.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,623
    Pross said:

    Hadn’t realised the SA teams were now included in the European competitions. That feels a bit ridiculous.

    Totally agree. Totally ruins what was once a great competition, but then it was ruined when Leinster and the Fench teams started to totally dominate it.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,738
    Well the RFU have got Borthwick and Sinfield so at least they didn't screw up totally.

    The last attempt at an RL import for a World Cup went so well, after all...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,623
    That was sticking a square peg in a round hole though. The coaching has been more of a success.

    Best news is Finn Russell joining Bath!
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,586
    Return to base agent Jones, mission accomplished. 😉
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • Found myself randomly watching the Racing 92 v Harlequins match yesterday. Very strange experience all round. From the indoor arena with artificial turf and the biggest screen ever behind one end to the match weirdness of Racing coming back to win when they had three players off for yellow cards and were 12 vs 15.
  • laurentian
    laurentian Posts: 2,590
    Surprised thyat there's been no commnet on here so far regarding the new tackle height law . . .

    What do you folk think?
    Wilier Izoard XP
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,586

    Surprised thyat there's been no commnet on here so far regarding the new tackle height law . . .

    What do you folk think?

    It's how I was taught while at high school. Higher tackles lead to more serious injury.
    I see it as a good thing long term. Probably a more expansive game as well.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,623
    The waist is too low and too hard to referee (and how many forwards have a waist anyway?!!!)
    I thought youth rugby is is no contact above the armpit, and certainly no head contact. That seems a far more sensible maximum tackle height to me.
    It is good that the ball carrier will have to take more responsibility for their body position too though - and not be allowed to lead with the forearm or elbow, whether close to the body or now.
    Both Saracens cards at the w/end were in part due to the carrier's actions, which were dangerous.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,680
    Is the tackle rule change just an RFU thing? It’s going to be odd on an international stage if their players are tackling differently to everyone else. Getting down that low is also going to be a challenge for tall players tackling short players head on and it also puts the tackler at higher risk of getting a knee in the head.

    I assume the rule will be fairly loosely enforced with the aim of ensuring tackles stay well below the shoulders.

    It’s good that head injuries are being taken seriously and governing bodies are looking to make changes to reduce risk but I’m not convinced this helps much.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,738
    To be honest, having not played for a depressing amount of time, I can't really predict what it's going to do so I'm waiting and seeing.

    It's going to suck when someone else breaks a tackle and scores in the last minute - "killing the game, pointless, may as well play touch" - but I suspect feelings will be different when"my" team does the exact same thing - "better game, flowing rugby, encouraging trys".
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,623
    Pross said:

    Is the tackle rule change just an RFU thing? It’s going to be odd on an international stage if their players are tackling differently to everyone else. Getting down that low is also going to be a challenge for tall players tackling short players head on and it also puts the tackler at higher risk of getting a knee in the head.

    I assume the rule will be fairly loosely enforced with the aim of ensuring tackles stay well below the shoulders.

    It’s good that head injuries are being taken seriously and governing bodies are looking to make changes to reduce risk but I’m not convinced this helps much.

    Rumours are global changes post world cup.