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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,280
    It was 6 seconds from the time he said "time on" to when he blew the whistle for timewasting, when the ball was clearly on its way. Ridiculous.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,623
    edited September 2022
    French referee making random decisions, and making the game more about themselves.
    Given how long scrums take to set and reset this was a terrible bit of officiating. All he needed to do was call clock off, and not restart it until the ball was actually kicked, or even until lineout was set.
    But as ever, there's one set of laws for the All Blacks and another for the rest of the world's teams!
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,738
    Hmmm, he tells him to play on. Stops the clock, tells him again, starts the clock, tells him 3 times and then blows.

    It's not like Foley didn't have a few clues. His team mates had certainly worked it out. The 12 at least...

    Gutsy call.
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,738
    (yes I'm aware that it's wildly hypocritical of me to post this but...sod it...)

    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,280
    If it's the first of many decisions like it, then that's fair enough. We'll see.
  • laurentian
    laurentian Posts: 2,589
    ddraver said:

    (yes I'm aware that it's wildly hypocritical of me to post this but...sod it...)

    Seen a lot of arguments on social media about this but (as I don't watch the championship) haven't really watched it until just watching the above link.

    Honestly can't see what the Aussie beef is with this. Ref 100% right
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  • laurentian
    laurentian Posts: 2,589
    Dorset_Boy said:

    French referee making random decisions, and making the game more about themselves.
    Given how long scrums take to set and reset this was a terrible bit of officiating. All he needed to do was call clock off, and not restart it until the ball was actually kicked, or even until lineout was set.
    But as ever, there's one set of laws for the All Blacks and another for the rest of the world's teams!

    But he did do this (kinda). As it looked like Aus 10 was going to take his time, ref calls "time off" in order to tell him "we play now" (in other words, don't take the p1ss timewasting), calls time on and the 10 decides he's still going to waste time. Only got himself to blame. The pack were already deciding what they were going to do regarding the resulting line out (and, if it were me, the first thing would be a very slow walk there, clean the ball etc) and the 10 seemed to be waiting for them to finish that conversation. Ref spot on.
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,623
    If this wasn't the first time EVER that this has happened in a top flight match, it would be fine and acceptable, but he chose to blow just as the 10 moves forward to kick it. Earlier in the match the ref had not hurried up kickers allowing the ABs to take more than their alloted 60 seconds for a penalty on 2 occassions.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,678
    Quite poignant to hear Eddie's voiceover on the Queen's stuff yesterday. Nice tribute to him on Scrum V too, Moore was very emotional.
  • laurentian
    laurentian Posts: 2,589
    Dorset_Boy said:

    If this wasn't the first time EVER that this has happened in a top flight match, it would be fine and acceptable, but he chose to blow just as the 10 moves forward to kick it. Earlier in the match the ref had not hurried up kickers allowing the ABs to take more than their alloted 60 seconds for a penalty on 2 occassions.

    As I say, I didn't see the match but, as ever, it's down to the ref's interpretation and, to me, it looked like the Aussie 10 was taking the p1ss and wasting time. There's no clock on the video . . . how close was this to the end of the game?
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,623
    laurentian said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    If this wasn't the first time EVER that this has happened in a top flight match, it would be fine and acceptable, but he chose to blow just as the 10 moves forward to kick it. Earlier in the match the ref had not hurried up kickers allowing the ABs to take more than their alloted 60 seconds for a penalty on 2 occassions.

    As I say, I didn't see the match but, as ever, it's down to the ref's interpretation and, to me, it looked like the Aussie 10 was taking the p1ss and wasting time. There's no clock on the video . . . how close was this to the end of the game?
    Very close. There was time for the resulting scrum from which the ABs scored to take the win. There was no time for the restart.
  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2022/09/21/wasps-enter-administration-face-automatic-relegation/

    I will shed no tears. Hope the Ricoh ends up in the hands of the football club.
  • laurentian
    laurentian Posts: 2,589
    skyblueamateur said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2022/09/21/wasps-enter-administration-face-automatic-relegation/

    I will shed no tears. Hope the Ricoh ends up in the hands of the football club.

    Me too!

    I love and play Rugby (often in Coventry) but one way or another, Cov City have been shafted these last few years. It's a great stadium and Cov fans deserve some kind of certainty. It wasn't so long ago (i.e. just after their move to the Ricoh) that Wasps were touted as being "the richest rugby club in the country" . . . clearly measuring wealth in a way I don't understand
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,623
    SBA - why did the football club lose ownership of the Ricoh?

    I know that Wasps have had a fairly nomadic existence since 1995, and their directors saw the move to Coventry as an opportunity to provide a permanent home, However the financing of the deal he f**ked them up.

    It's not just the Coventry City fans who deserve some certainty. The Wasps fans are innocent parties (as are Worcester fans in their situation0.
  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    Dorset_Boy said:

    SBA - why did the football club lose ownership of the Ricoh?

    I know that Wasps have had a fairly nomadic existence since 1995, and their directors saw the move to Coventry as an opportunity to provide a permanent home, However the financing of the deal he f**ked them up.

    It's not just the Coventry City fans who deserve some certainty. The Wasps fans are innocent parties (as are Worcester fans in their situation0.

    The club have never owned the stadium. It is a very complicated tale of mismanagement, bad deals, corrupt councils etc.

    I despise the owners of the football club but realise they only way to get of them is for them to own the stadium so that they have a sellable asset.

    Coventry already had a rugby club, which although fallen on harder times still has a rich heritage and is well supported. I bear real wasps fans no ill feeling but it was never financially viable what they were proposing. The attendances for the first few years were all comps handed out to local schools. They have no real fan base in Coventry and after the way they have conducted themselves the last 12 months a lot of the football fans have a lot of animosity towards Wasps.
  • laurentian
    laurentian Posts: 2,589
    edited September 2022
    skyblueamateur said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    SBA - why did the football club lose ownership of the Ricoh?

    I know that Wasps have had a fairly nomadic existence since 1995, and their directors saw the move to Coventry as an opportunity to provide a permanent home, However the financing of the deal he f**ked them up.

    It's not just the Coventry City fans who deserve some certainty. The Wasps fans are innocent parties (as are Worcester fans in their situation0.

    The club have never owned the stadium. It is a very complicated tale of mismanagement, bad deals, corrupt councils etc.

    I despise the owners of the football club but realise they only way to get of them is for them to own the stadium so that they have a sellable asset.

    Coventry already had a rugby club, which although fallen on harder times still has a rich heritage and is well supported. I bear real wasps fans no ill feeling but it was never financially viable what they were proposing. The attendances for the first few years were all comps handed out to local schools. They have no real fan base in Coventry and after the way they have conducted themselves the last 12 months a lot of the football fans have a lot of animosity towards Wasps.
    I agree reagrding Coventry RFC. A fine, fine club. One of a handful in the Midlands that a player leaving a more junior club to join would have left with a sincere handshake and best wishes from his soon-to-be erstwhile team mates back in the day.

    I know quite a lot of recently retired and even occasional current players who regularly go to Wasps but it was always going to be a struggle to get a "proper" fan base with several smaller clubs and the realtive Giants of Saints and Tigers within the same catchment area but even if they filled the stadium every match, I doubt it would solve the problems. It's bad enough when this happens to the team you actually follow but when your team is threatened due to the actions of a completely unrelated entity it must be awful

    . . . will we see you at Sixfields again??
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  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    laurentian said:

    skyblueamateur said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    SBA - why did the football club lose ownership of the Ricoh?

    I know that Wasps have had a fairly nomadic existence since 1995, and their directors saw the move to Coventry as an opportunity to provide a permanent home, However the financing of the deal he f**ked them up.

    It's not just the Coventry City fans who deserve some certainty. The Wasps fans are innocent parties (as are Worcester fans in their situation0.

    The club have never owned the stadium. It is a very complicated tale of mismanagement, bad deals, corrupt councils etc.

    I despise the owners of the football club but realise they only way to get of them is for them to own the stadium so that they have a sellable asset.

    Coventry already had a rugby club, which although fallen on harder times still has a rich heritage and is well supported. I bear real wasps fans no ill feeling but it was never financially viable what they were proposing. The attendances for the first few years were all comps handed out to local schools. They have no real fan base in Coventry and after the way they have conducted themselves the last 12 months a lot of the football fans have a lot of animosity towards Wasps.
    I agree reagrding Coventry RFC. A fine, fine club. One of a handful in the Midlands that a player leaving a more junior club to join would have left with a sincere handshake and best wishes from his soon-to-be erstwhile team mates back in the day.

    I know quite a lot of recently retired and even occasional current players who regularly go to Wasps but it was always going to be a struggle to get a "proper" fan base with several smaller clubs and the realtive Giants of Saints and Tigers within the same catchment area but even if they filled the stadium every match, I doubt it would solve the problems. It's bad enough when this happens to the team you actually follow but when your team is threatened due to the actions of a completely unrelated entity it must be awful

    . . . will we see you at Sixfields again??
    I hope not. Would be more likely at Saint Andrews again.

    I'll hold my hands up, I don't know a huge amount about club rugby but the Wasps plan always seemed very high risk and I just couldn't see it working. No way you were going to be getting 30,000 up there week in week out. The football club only averaged 18,000 when we were in the PL.

    I used to love going to watch Cov rugby down at Coundon Road as a kid. Used to go when the football wasn't on as it was only down the road. I do the same with my boys now at the Butts Park. Is a great little setup down there and would much rather go there for a day out and pint rather then traipsing over to the Ricoh and sitting in a completely empty stadium.
  • laurentian
    laurentian Posts: 2,589
    skyblueamateur said:

    laurentian said:

    skyblueamateur said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    SBA - why did the football club lose ownership of the Ricoh?

    I know that Wasps have had a fairly nomadic existence since 1995, and their directors saw the move to Coventry as an opportunity to provide a permanent home, However the financing of the deal he f**ked them up.

    It's not just the Coventry City fans who deserve some certainty. The Wasps fans are innocent parties (as are Worcester fans in their situation0.

    The club have never owned the stadium. It is a very complicated tale of mismanagement, bad deals, corrupt councils etc.

    I despise the owners of the football club but realise they only way to get of them is for them to own the stadium so that they have a sellable asset.

    Coventry already had a rugby club, which although fallen on harder times still has a rich heritage and is well supported. I bear real wasps fans no ill feeling but it was never financially viable what they were proposing. The attendances for the first few years were all comps handed out to local schools. They have no real fan base in Coventry and after the way they have conducted themselves the last 12 months a lot of the football fans have a lot of animosity towards Wasps.
    I agree reagrding Coventry RFC. A fine, fine club. One of a handful in the Midlands that a player leaving a more junior club to join would have left with a sincere handshake and best wishes from his soon-to-be erstwhile team mates back in the day.

    I know quite a lot of recently retired and even occasional current players who regularly go to Wasps but it was always going to be a struggle to get a "proper" fan base with several smaller clubs and the realtive Giants of Saints and Tigers within the same catchment area but even if they filled the stadium every match, I doubt it would solve the problems. It's bad enough when this happens to the team you actually follow but when your team is threatened due to the actions of a completely unrelated entity it must be awful

    . . . will we see you at Sixfields again??
    I hope not. Would be more likely at Saint Andrews again.

    I'll hold my hands up, I don't know a huge amount about club rugby but the Wasps plan always seemed very high risk and I just couldn't see it working. No way you were going to be getting 30,000 up there week in week out. The football club only averaged 18,000 when we were in the PL.

    I used to love going to watch Cov rugby down at Coundon Road as a kid. Used to go when the football wasn't on as it was only down the road. I do the same with my boys now at the Butts Park. Is a great little setup down there and would much rather go there for a day out and pint rather then traipsing over to the Ricoh and sitting in a completely empty stadium.
    It is a great set up at Butts - we don't have a fixture there this season (unless we get there in the cup) but I always enjoy going there. Do your lads play there?

    They were never going to get those kind of numbers. Tigers and Saints, both close, get mid teens I think. Wasps weren't about to tap into those fans and tried (through very good value season and half season tickets in the first couple of seasons) to nurture a fanbase but still got nothing like their local competition

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  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    laurentian said:

    skyblueamateur said:

    laurentian said:

    skyblueamateur said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    SBA - why did the football club lose ownership of the Ricoh?

    I know that Wasps have had a fairly nomadic existence since 1995, and their directors saw the move to Coventry as an opportunity to provide a permanent home, However the financing of the deal he f**ked them up.

    It's not just the Coventry City fans who deserve some certainty. The Wasps fans are innocent parties (as are Worcester fans in their situation0.

    The club have never owned the stadium. It is a very complicated tale of mismanagement, bad deals, corrupt councils etc.

    I despise the owners of the football club but realise they only way to get of them is for them to own the stadium so that they have a sellable asset.

    Coventry already had a rugby club, which although fallen on harder times still has a rich heritage and is well supported. I bear real wasps fans no ill feeling but it was never financially viable what they were proposing. The attendances for the first few years were all comps handed out to local schools. They have no real fan base in Coventry and after the way they have conducted themselves the last 12 months a lot of the football fans have a lot of animosity towards Wasps.
    I agree reagrding Coventry RFC. A fine, fine club. One of a handful in the Midlands that a player leaving a more junior club to join would have left with a sincere handshake and best wishes from his soon-to-be erstwhile team mates back in the day.

    I know quite a lot of recently retired and even occasional current players who regularly go to Wasps but it was always going to be a struggle to get a "proper" fan base with several smaller clubs and the realtive Giants of Saints and Tigers within the same catchment area but even if they filled the stadium every match, I doubt it would solve the problems. It's bad enough when this happens to the team you actually follow but when your team is threatened due to the actions of a completely unrelated entity it must be awful

    . . . will we see you at Sixfields again??
    I hope not. Would be more likely at Saint Andrews again.

    I'll hold my hands up, I don't know a huge amount about club rugby but the Wasps plan always seemed very high risk and I just couldn't see it working. No way you were going to be getting 30,000 up there week in week out. The football club only averaged 18,000 when we were in the PL.

    I used to love going to watch Cov rugby down at Coundon Road as a kid. Used to go when the football wasn't on as it was only down the road. I do the same with my boys now at the Butts Park. Is a great little setup down there and would much rather go there for a day out and pint rather then traipsing over to the Ricoh and sitting in a completely empty stadium.
    It is a great set up at Butts - we don't have a fixture there this season (unless we get there in the cup) but I always enjoy going there. Do your lads play there?

    They were never going to get those kind of numbers. Tigers and Saints, both close, get mid teens I think. Wasps weren't about to tap into those fans and tried (through very good value season and half season tickets in the first couple of seasons) to nurture a fanbase but still got nothing like their local competition

    They don't play unfortunately. Both football mad. At times I wish they were more into Rugby as seems like a much more encouraging environment. Butts is great though.



  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,678
    Doddie Weir on BBC this morning. His MND seemed to have progressed quite slowly over the years but seems to have worsened significantly since I last saw him. Really frightening and sad to see such a giant of a man wasting away but still has his sense of humour.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,678
    Nice result especially as the 2 most likely rivals were losing at half time (haven’t seen the final scores). That’s 4 matches, 4 bonus point wins including beating the biggest rival last week and 30 odd tries scored. Fingers crossed they keep it going and finally get the elusive promotion.


  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,678
    The team we beat by 50 points 2 weeks ago scored 100 points against the team we play next week. If they don’t call off (they’ve called off 2 out of 4 so far this season due to lack of players) it could be an annihilation next week. That said, they could end up with a team full of permit players.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,623
    If you haven't seen it, then watch Steve Thompson's programme that aired on BBC2 last night. It's an uncomfortable and quite sad watch.
    At age 44 he cannot recall being in Australia let alone winning the 2003 World Cup, often forgets his kids' names, and various other issues with early onset dementia.
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    No cure :(. Just horrible
  • laurentian
    laurentian Posts: 2,589
    Wasps just announced that they are to go into administration "in the next few days" - have pulled out of fixture with Exeter this weekend.
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,623
    And rumours surround London Irish too.
    A bleak couple of weeks for Union in England.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,738
    Blimey. I never realised it was as bad as this...

    (which...I guess is the problem)
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,734
    Last team standing wins the Premiership?
    I imagine that the Welsh regions aren't far off being in the same boat.
    Worrying times indeed for the professional arm of the sport.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    I can't see how anyone could make Wasps financially viable without buying the football club as well. Said this the first time.

    Football club is averaging 20,000 but that would 25k+ if they invested a bit on players. Get them playing on a saturday and Rugby on the sunday so they're not splitting the Cov RFU crowd.
  • laurentian
    laurentian Posts: 2,589
    . . . From the BBC website:

    "The future ownership of the stadium is also under the spotlight following the news that American billionaire John McEvoy is considering a bid to buy the ground and its other tenant, Championship football club Coventry City."
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