joe biden
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He needs to cut out this Skippy walk nonsense aimed at showing us all how young he is. Just walk normally and use your intellect man.0
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Good to see they (both sides) don't appear to make up their mind in a partisan manner and gave it lots of time to see the impact of the incoming administrationrick_chasey said:
Great chart
(Heavily suspect you could do a very similar chart for remainders and leavers)
At least the Democrats gradually decided it was getting worse under Trump though.0 -
Getting better or worse is subjective.ddraver said:to be perfect, it needs a measure of the economy on a second y axis...
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Fair play to the US troops managing to stay awake whilst sleepy Joe is talking.0
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After that business of him eying up the 4 year old girl, I thought sleepy Joe had become creepy Joe?0
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How many generations back are his Irish roots? Does he have any English roots too? Just curious because he's another American playing the Irish card and I just wonder why they make such a big deal about it?0
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It is bizarre and I wonder whether it is related to their hatred of our colonial past. Whatever the reason it was a known known and we need to accept the reality of the situation and give in early and gracefully.tangled_metal said:How many generations back are his Irish roots? Does he have any English roots too? Just curious because he's another American playing the Irish card and I just wonder why they make such a big deal about it?
Of course when we do pull out we have a fall guy country to pick up the funding and security issues.0 -
Is it not a way to put more leverage on the UK? After all, it's on its own now and trade deals need to be struck.surrey_commuter said:
It is bizarre and I wonder whether it is related to their hatred of our colonial past. Whatever the reason it was a known known and we need to accept the reality of the situation and give in early and gracefully.tangled_metal said:How many generations back are his Irish roots? Does he have any English roots too? Just curious because he's another American playing the Irish card and I just wonder why they make such a big deal about it?
Of course when we do pull out we have a fall guy country to pick up the funding and security issues.0 -
Americans grab history from anywhere they can.
What with England being the historical bad guy, you look for links to the other nations.
I suspect a lot of Irish Americans have as much English as Irish heritage.0 -
It said in the news last night that Biden's mum was full Irish. If true then he at least has a claim to Irish nationality if he so wishes. If things go very badly he could run off to the west of Ireland and nobody would find him or want to go there.
My American grandad had swedish immigrants a couple of generations back. Add in a mix of German blood further back and most of his life living in England. He still considered himself American and only American. You hear less of swedish Americans or English Americans. What is it about Irish ancestry? Where are the Scottish Americans? I really never understood the Irish American thing.0 -
The west of Ireland is stunning! I recommend paying a visit.tangled_metal said:It said in the news last night that Biden's mum was full Irish. If true then he at least has a claim to Irish nationality if he so wishes. If things go very badly he could run off to the west of Ireland and nobody would find him or want to go there.
My American grandad had swedish immigrants a couple of generations back. Add in a mix of German blood further back and most of his life living in England. He still considered himself American and only American. You hear less of swedish Americans or English Americans. What is it about Irish ancestry? Where are the Scottish Americans? I really never understood the Irish American thing.
Scottish Americans are even more annoying than Scots. They are definitely a thing.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Italian American?
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Then there's German too. Isn't that a reference to the Amish type of religious communities?
Also, are there any proud of being descended from the earliest settlers on Georgetown? Like the aussies are proud to trace ancestry back to convicts I mean.
My grandads family were more interested in tenuous links to famous figures in the creation of America such as Bowie, Davie Crockett, etc. One relative traced the family tree back to Georgetown and back to England too. That part got posted off to us in England but all the stuff on crockett and Bowie got kept as more interesting. A sign that being English American just doesn't have the appeal I guess.0 -
The explanation I have heard about why Irish/Italian American is more of a thing is about victimhood as they were forced migrants.
Most Americans I know are very keen students of their own ancestry with the holy grail being totrace yourself back to the Mayflower.
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It is a proxy for telling the UK "the EU is out strategic focus in the region - we recognise our historic ties but please, UK, recognise where our priorities are".surrey_commuter said:The explanation I have heard about why Irish/Italian American is more of a thing is about victimhood as they were forced migrants.
Most Americans I know are very keen students of their own ancestry with the holy grail being totrace yourself back to the Mayflower.
I would also add that outside of the UK and Ireland the troubles are seen as another sectarian pain in the ars* where each side is in the wrong and anyone who does anything to upset that balance is a sh!t.
The rest of the world sees voting for Brexit as upsetting that balance.0 -
https://www.inquirer.com/business/biden-bicycle-gift-boris-johnson-bilenky-philadelphia-20210611.html
The bike Biden gave Boris.0 -
Not sure the proxy thing is close to be true Rick. They've been proud of being Irish / Italian Americans since well before the EU came into existance, let alone became influential.rick_chasey said:
It is a proxy for telling the UK "the EU is out strategic focus in the region - we recognise our historic ties but please, UK, recognise where our priorities are".surrey_commuter said:The explanation I have heard about why Irish/Italian American is more of a thing is about victimhood as they were forced migrants.
Most Americans I know are very keen students of their own ancestry with the holy grail being totrace yourself back to the Mayflower.
I would also add that outside of the UK and Ireland the troubles are seen as another sectarian pain in the ars* where each side is in the wrong and anyone who does anything to upset that balance is a sh!t.
The rest of the world sees voting for Brexit as upsetting that balance.
Irish Americans we raising funds for the IRA back in the 1960s if not earlier.0 -
what on earth is that gearing ratio?focuszing723 said:
https://www.inquirer.com/business/biden-bicycle-gift-boris-johnson-bilenky-philadelphia-20210611.html
The bike Biden gave Boris.0 -
Dinner plates for fatboys.surrey_commuter said:
what on earth is that gearing ratio?focuszing723 said:
https://www.inquirer.com/business/biden-bicycle-gift-boris-johnson-bilenky-philadelphia-20210611.html
The bike Biden gave Boris.
Did Biden tell him to ride it down the railway tracks?
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I tell thee. That's a bloody special relationship!
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If you really think this president of the US says these things publicly in things like the G7 because he's got a thing for his heritage and not for some strategic or tactical reasons, I think you are being at bit naïve at how Biden and his administration operate. I'm sure it is personal with him, but plenty of things are personal to him - it doesn't mean he's gonna talk about it to the global press.Dorset_Boy said:
Not sure the proxy thing is close to be true Rick. They've been proud of being Irish / Italian Americans since well before the EU came into existance, let alone became influential.rick_chasey said:
It is a proxy for telling the UK "the EU is out strategic focus in the region - we recognise our historic ties but please, UK, recognise where our priorities are".surrey_commuter said:The explanation I have heard about why Irish/Italian American is more of a thing is about victimhood as they were forced migrants.
Most Americans I know are very keen students of their own ancestry with the holy grail being totrace yourself back to the Mayflower.
I would also add that outside of the UK and Ireland the troubles are seen as another sectarian pain in the ars* where each side is in the wrong and anyone who does anything to upset that balance is a sh!t.
The rest of the world sees voting for Brexit as upsetting that balance.
Irish Americans we raising funds for the IRA back in the 1960s if not earlier.
It is obviously more palatable for you to think it is just a pride thing.
All the diplomats and the diplomatic reporters and analysts are saying this is a material departure from prior US diplomatic rhetoric (if we ignore the Trump aberration) and is about demonstrating the US priority in the region.
All these public declarations are about signalling the direction of diplomacy and future relations. This is the telling the UK which side it will take - and therefore that implies their strategic priority is not the UK. After all, Ireland is much smaller and less significant than the UK - but the EU obviously isn't.0 -
As political gifts go that is actually a surprisingly well thought out and practical one (cthe colour scheme isn't really my think but I can see Boris loving it).0
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Yeah, I thought that. It's certainly better than a load of DVD'sPross said:As political gifts go that is actually a surprisingly well thought out and practical one (cthe colour scheme isn't really my think but I can see Boris loving it).
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I was thinking when reading that seond paragraph of Rick's that I'm pretty sure that Irish Americans didn't feel each side was wrong. It was very much the brave heroes fighting the imperialist Brits that had forced their ancestors to flee the old country (I agree with SC on the point he made that the Irish heritage is still a big thing due to being 'unwilling' immigrants).Dorset_Boy said:
Not sure the proxy thing is close to be true Rick. They've been proud of being Irish / Italian Americans since well before the EU came into existance, let alone became influential.rick_chasey said:
It is a proxy for telling the UK "the EU is out strategic focus in the region - we recognise our historic ties but please, UK, recognise where our priorities are".surrey_commuter said:The explanation I have heard about why Irish/Italian American is more of a thing is about victimhood as they were forced migrants.
Most Americans I know are very keen students of their own ancestry with the holy grail being totrace yourself back to the Mayflower.
I would also add that outside of the UK and Ireland the troubles are seen as another sectarian pain in the ars* where each side is in the wrong and anyone who does anything to upset that balance is a sh!t.
The rest of the world sees voting for Brexit as upsetting that balance.
Irish Americans we raising funds for the IRA back in the 1960s if not earlier.0 -
I guess that means Biden holds a grudge against Germany/EU for World War II and the death of his relatives as mentioned during his speech at RAF Mildenhall to the USA troops. More likely he puts it down to a different place in history which is best left in the past.0
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The US also picks sides in Israel/ Palestine but that doesn’t mean they don’t look down on both sides for being a international pain in the ars*Pross said:
I was thinking when reading that seond paragraph of Rick's that I'm pretty sure that Irish Americans didn't feel each side was wrong. It was very much the brave heroes fighting the imperialist Brits that had forced their ancestors to flee the old country (I agree with SC on the point he made that the Irish heritage is still a big thing due to being 'unwilling' immigrants).Dorset_Boy said:
Not sure the proxy thing is close to be true Rick. They've been proud of being Irish / Italian Americans since well before the EU came into existance, let alone became influential.rick_chasey said:
It is a proxy for telling the UK "the EU is out strategic focus in the region - we recognise our historic ties but please, UK, recognise where our priorities are".surrey_commuter said:The explanation I have heard about why Irish/Italian American is more of a thing is about victimhood as they were forced migrants.
Most Americans I know are very keen students of their own ancestry with the holy grail being totrace yourself back to the Mayflower.
I would also add that outside of the UK and Ireland the troubles are seen as another sectarian pain in the ars* where each side is in the wrong and anyone who does anything to upset that balance is a sh!t.
The rest of the world sees voting for Brexit as upsetting that balance.
Irish Americans we raising funds for the IRA back in the 1960s if not earlier.
(There is a common theme in both of them…)0 -
This was a really good program on the partition of Ireland, showing the true horrors and not a romanticised view - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000wgtj
Bidens great-great grandfather was from the village in Mayo where my family are from. Beautiful part of the world.0
