Giro 2020 - Stage 20: Alba – Sestriere 190kms *Spoilers*
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With that name?johnboy183 said:Potentially TGH will be the first English GT winner.
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I was asking if there was a tour when, at the start of the last day, they were on the same time.RichN95. said:
Too subtle, sorry.
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You really think he would have done much better today?DeVlaeminck said:
Not picking on you Bob as a few have made similar comments but doesn't that result suggest they *should* have gone all in for Kelderman the other day?bobmcstuff said:Wow that was great!
Watched it on the turbo. Massive heart rate spike for the sprint.
So, who still thinks it was a bad idea for Hindley to follow TGH and Dennis the other day??? Should he have waited for Kelderman again today
Kelderman's only like 1'32" back isn't he, so if he has a decent TT he could still place well.
I take it we think Tao is a better TTer than Hindley...
We won't know for sure until after the TT but if you agree with Bri Smithy about Kelderman limiting his losses to ~1 minute on the Stelvio stage had he had help and factor in him getting help today had Hindley waited it's possible Kelderman could still be in pink.
He only started getting time back when Hindley and TGH started marking each other on the climb. Dennis and TGH up the road together without Hindley would have got a bigger gap. And it wasn't like Kelderman was totally alone in that group, there were plenty of riders with reasons to ride - he couldn't follow Almeida either.
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According to William Fotheringham in the Guardian, he claims Scottish nationality through his fatherPross said:
With that name?johnboy183 said:Potentially TGH will be the first English GT winner.
It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
How much is it worth, if anything, to be in the lead and thereby last man off in the TT?
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I'm sure most thought that when racing resumed it wouldnt be this IG rider with egan in his name who would be winning* a GTsalsiccia1 said:
According to William Fotheringham in the Guardian, he claims Scottish nationality through his fatherPross said:
With that name?johnboy183 said:Potentially TGH will be the first English GT winner.
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Not sure it matters much as he's 1'32" back and it's not a long TT, but what's Kelderman like vs those two?No_Ta_Doctor said:Head to head in TTs
8-2 to Tao, who has a podium, another top ten, a couple of top 15s. Hindley's best result a 34th place.
Hindley ------------------------------------------------------------------ Tao
48 ------ Amgen Tour of California - Stage 4 (ITT) ('18) ----------- 3
74 ------ Giro d'Italia - Stage 1 (ITT) ('19) ------------------------------- 7
34 ------ Giro d'Italia - Stage 14 (ITT) ('20)------- -------------------- 13
55 ------ Tour de l'Avenir - Stage 4 (ITT) ('16)----- ------------------ 15
102 ------ La Vuelta ciclista a España - Stage 1 (ITT) ('18) ------ 18
52 ------ Giro d'Italia - Stage 9 (ITT) ('19) ----------------------------- 25
41 ------ Tirreno-Adriatico - Stage 8 (ITT) ('20) --------------------- 31
96 ------ Itzulia Basque Country - Stage 4 (ITT) ('18) ------------- 36
46 ------ Giro d'Italia - Stage 1 (ITT) ('20) --------------------------- 126
76 ------ La Vuelta ciclista a España - Stage 16 (ITT) ('18) ------ 87
Then there's another minute twenty back behind Kelderman.
I'm doing a big ride tomorrow so might miss the finish... anyone got an idea what time the finish will be with the clock change?0 -
If Sunweb had chosen differently, I'm pretty sure the people who are most convinced Sunweb did the wrong thing on Stage 18 in our timeline would have been the same people being utterly convinced that Sunweb did the wrong thing on Stage 18 as they watched Kelderman fall off again today in the alternate one...0
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Assuming Ganna wins tomorrow, that will be 8 stage wins for Ineos.
When was the last time a team won that many stages at a GT?0 -
Head to head kelderman Vs tgh, kelderman has been ahead in every TT.bobmcstuff said:
Not sure it matters much as he's 1'32" back and it's not a long TT, but what's Kelderman like vs those two?No_Ta_Doctor said:Head to head in TTs
8-2 to Tao, who has a podium, another top ten, a couple of top 15s. Hindley's best result a 34th place.
Hindley ------------------------------------------------------------------ Tao
48 ------ Amgen Tour of California - Stage 4 (ITT) ('18) ----------- 3
74 ------ Giro d'Italia - Stage 1 (ITT) ('19) ------------------------------- 7
34 ------ Giro d'Italia - Stage 14 (ITT) ('20)------- -------------------- 13
55 ------ Tour de l'Avenir - Stage 4 (ITT) ('16)----- ------------------ 15
102 ------ La Vuelta ciclista a España - Stage 1 (ITT) ('18) ------ 18
52 ------ Giro d'Italia - Stage 9 (ITT) ('19) ----------------------------- 25
41 ------ Tirreno-Adriatico - Stage 8 (ITT) ('20) --------------------- 31
96 ------ Itzulia Basque Country - Stage 4 (ITT) ('18) ------------- 36
46 ------ Giro d'Italia - Stage 1 (ITT) ('20) --------------------------- 126
76 ------ La Vuelta ciclista a España - Stage 16 (ITT) ('18) ------ 87
Then there's another minute twenty back behind Kelderman.
I'm doing a big ride tomorrow so might miss the finish... anyone got an idea what time the finish will be with the clock change?
Probably no more than 45 seconds in something like this, and tgh normally not been a contender for GC.0 -
7?Dorset_Boy said:Assuming Ganna wins tomorrow, that will be 8 stage wins for Ineos.
When was the last time a team won that many stages at a GT?
Ganna 4
Tgh 2
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yes he is a londonerPross said:
With that name?johnboy183 said:Potentially TGH will be the first English GT winner.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Definitelysalsiccia1 said:
According to William Fotheringham in the Guardian, he claims Scottish nationality through his fatherPross said:
With that name?johnboy183 said:Potentially TGH will be the first English GT winner.
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What we did learn today that cannot be in doubt is why Sunweb wanted yesterday’s stage shortened, and why Ineos didn’t. Kelderman was burst.Lanterne_Rogue said:If Sunweb had chosen differently, I'm pretty sure the people who are most convinced Sunweb did the wrong thing on Stage 18 in our timeline would have been the same people being utterly convinced that Sunweb did the wrong thing on Stage 18 as they watched Kelderman fall off again today in the alternate one...
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
he is about scotish as jerk chickensalsiccia1 said:
According to William Fotheringham in the Guardian, he claims Scottish nationality through his fatherPross said:
With that name?johnboy183 said:Potentially TGH will be the first English GT winner.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm1 -
pettachi won 9 personally one yearDorset_Boy said:Assuming Ganna wins tomorrow, that will be 8 stage wins for Ineos.
When was the last time a team won that many stages at a GT?"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
You never had a deep fried jerk chicken chip supper then?mididoctors said:
he is about scotish as jerk chickensalsiccia1 said:
According to William Fotheringham in the Guardian, he claims Scottish nationality through his fatherPross said:
With that name?johnboy183 said:Potentially TGH will be the first English GT winner.
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Yes absolutely - the other day you mean? - I'm sure you are right and how much faster TGH would have gone is an unknowable just as how much faster Wilco would have gone with support then and today is unknowable.Lanterne_Rogue said:
That assumes that TGH wasn't holding something back on the final climb to try and stave off Hindley's sprint though. It's plausible he could have gone quicker if Hindley wasn't there.DeVlaeminck said:
Not picking on you Bob as a few have made similar comments but doesn't that result suggest they *should* have gone all in for Kelderman the other day?bobmcstuff said:Wow that was great!
Watched it on the turbo. Massive heart rate spike for the sprint.
So, who still thinks it was a bad idea for Hindley to follow TGH and Dennis the other day??? Should he have waited for Kelderman again today
Kelderman's only like 1'32" back isn't he, so if he has a decent TT he could still place well.
I take it we think Tao is a better TTer than Hindley...
We won't know for sure until after the TT but if you agree with Bri Smithy about Kelderman limiting his losses to ~1 minute on the Stelvio stage had he had help and factor in him getting help today had Hindley waited it's possible Kelderman could still be in pink.
I'm happy to leave it like that - just don't see today as proof positive Sunweb got it right - if anything I'd argue it favours the Brian Smith view.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Yeah I know, the first time I heard him speak it was a surprise. I'm just thinking if Brad is a Belgian then someone with a Gaelic name isn't English.mididoctors said:
yes he is a londonerPross said:
With that name?johnboy183 said:Potentially TGH will be the first English GT winner.
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he was from my cycle club prossPross said:
Yeah I know, the first time I heard him speak it was a surprise. I'm just thinking if Brad is a Belgian then someone with a Gaelic name isn't English.mididoctors said:
yes he is a londonerPross said:
With that name?johnboy183 said:Potentially TGH will be the first English GT winner.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm1 -
with deep, fried heroin chaserorraloon said:
You never had a deep fried jerk chicken chip supper then?mididoctors said:
he is about scotish as jerk chickensalsiccia1 said:
According to William Fotheringham in the Guardian, he claims Scottish nationality through his fatherPross said:
With that name?johnboy183 said:Potentially TGH will be the first English GT winner.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
if wilco after the TT is with in 30 secs of the tao who wins then the argument hindley should of dropped back will be forever made.DeVlaeminck said:
Yes absolutely - the other day you mean? - I'm sure you are right and how much faster TGH would have gone is an unknowable just as how much faster Wilco would have gone with support then and today is unknowable.Lanterne_Rogue said:
That assumes that TGH wasn't holding something back on the final climb to try and stave off Hindley's sprint though. It's plausible he could have gone quicker if Hindley wasn't there.DeVlaeminck said:
Not picking on you Bob as a few have made similar comments but doesn't that result suggest they *should* have gone all in for Kelderman the other day?bobmcstuff said:Wow that was great!
Watched it on the turbo. Massive heart rate spike for the sprint.
So, who still thinks it was a bad idea for Hindley to follow TGH and Dennis the other day??? Should he have waited for Kelderman again today
Kelderman's only like 1'32" back isn't he, so if he has a decent TT he could still place well.
I take it we think Tao is a better TTer than Hindley...
We won't know for sure until after the TT but if you agree with Bri Smithy about Kelderman limiting his losses to ~1 minute on the Stelvio stage had he had help and factor in him getting help today had Hindley waited it's possible Kelderman could still be in pink.
I'm happy to leave it like that - just don't see today as proof positive Sunweb got it right - if anything I'd argue it favours the Brian Smith view.
if Hindley wins then no contest really
if tao wins over Hindley marginally and wilco is out of it no contest too.
the argument will depend on how close wilco comes to the jersey
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
takethehighroad said:
Purely hypothetical, but what if, for example, TGH had .72 in the first TT and .58 in the second, would that add an extra 1.3 seconds to the overall? Or would the .3 seconds be used as the tie breaker? Has anywhere published the fractions?RichN95. said:larkim said:What's the tiebreaker rule that sees Hindley in pink?
It's done on the fractions of seconds in the Time Trials.
No time would be added. It would just be 1.3 seconds v whatever Hindley had for who gets pink.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Not wanting to blow my own trumpet, but from stage 3....
There was some doubt expressed about this. I feel like I should have been more ambitious thoughNo_Ta_Doctor said:Tao now their best placed rider, 2'30" after Nibali in 24th place. With some freedom/support he could climb up to a top ten without too much bother.
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Unlike Wales and Scotland England is and always was a melting pot.Pross said:
Yeah I know, the first time I heard him speak it was a surprise. I'm just thinking if Brad is a Belgian then someone with a Gaelic name isn't English.mididoctors said:
yes he is a londonerPross said:
With that name?johnboy183 said:Potentially TGH will be the first English GT winner.
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i had him and Hindley for white early on ...didn't think nibali et al would fall away so dramatically in the thirdNo_Ta_Doctor said:Not wanting to blow my own trumpet, but from stage 3....
There was some doubt expressed about this. I feel like I should have been more ambitious thoughNo_Ta_Doctor said:Tao now their best placed rider, 2'30" after Nibali in 24th place. With some freedom/support he could climb up to a top ten without too much bother.
that giro piled head first into the stelvio and parked up... like an express train hitting the buffers
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm1 -
All that distance with no time gap ..should have just had the two of them do a tt and save everyone else the trouble"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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It's about the complete journey, not just the destination.mididoctors said:All that distance with no time gap ..should have just had the two of them do a tt and save everyone else the trouble
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Nibali and Fuglsang talked a lot about the third week. Fuglsang had some traditional bad luck, Nibali.... didn't turn up.mididoctors said:
i had him and Hindley for white early on ...didn't think nibali et al would fall away so dramatically in the thirdNo_Ta_Doctor said:Not wanting to blow my own trumpet, but from stage 3....
There was some doubt expressed about this. I feel like I should have been more ambitious thoughNo_Ta_Doctor said:Tao now their best placed rider, 2'30" after Nibali in 24th place. With some freedom/support he could climb up to a top ten without too much bother.
that giro piled head first into the stelvio and parked up... like an express train hitting the buffersWarning No formatter is installed for the format0
