2020 UCI Road World Championships, Imola - Sept 24th - 27th *Spoilers*

Lanterne_Rogue

Dygert crash - Twitter reporting she's conscious at least.

https://twitter.com/Soldatvid/status/1309142722188660743?s=20

DeadCalm

bobmcstuff said:

Dygert ruining my PTP... Not having a lot of luck!

In fairness, nor is she.

FCE2007

Awful, awful photos on Twitter. Conscious and talking but an enormous gash above her left knee.

DeadCalm

FCE2007 said:

Awful, awful photos on Twitter. Conscious and talking but an enormous gash above her left knee.

Thank you for not posting the tweet. I have absolutely no desire to see that.

Lanterne_Rogue

Not surprised she's got some sort of cut - armco barriers aren't designed to be especially human-friendly and she slid along it for a bit rather than going straight over so the chances of catching herself are higher.

Hopefully it's mostly superficial and she'll be back quickly.

blazing_saddles

Lanterne_Rogue said:

Not surprised she's got some sort of cut - armco barriers aren't designed to be especially human-friendly and she slid along it for a bit rather than going straight over so the chances of catching herself are higher.

Hopefully it's mostly superficial and she'll be back quickly.

Unlikely, since she hardly races on the road aside from the WCs.
Next September most probably.

mididoctors

the wheel kept skipping. i think she locked upfront then shifted to the back brake once the first skip threw her way off line. still cant tell

ugo.santalucia

mididoctors said:

the wheel kept skipping. i think she locked upfront then shifted to the back brake once the first skip threw her way off line. still cant tell

gotta love discs

rick_chasey

mididoctors said:

the wheel kept skipping. i think she locked upfront then shifted to the back brake once the first skip threw her way off line. still cant tell

Looked like a speed wobble when she picked up some wind going round the corner to me, but I am no expert in this.

Pross

blazing_saddles said:

It's a very bland course.
Hardly any technical aspect to it.
Obviously the UCI's answer to the disparity between the men and women was to add a couple of kms to the women's event and shorten the men's course by 25kms.
Be careful what we wish for I suppose.

My cross country league did this. The faster women wanted to run the same distance as the men whilst the slower ones wanted to keep the shorter distance. It got put to a vote and ended up with the men's race getting shortened slightly, the women's getting lengthened slightly so they are the same and no-one was particularly happy (other than a few slower men like me!).

ugo.santalucia

rick_chasey said:

mididoctors said:

the wheel kept skipping. i think she locked upfront then shifted to the back brake once the first skip threw her way off line. still cant tell

Looked like a speed wobble when she picked up some wind going round the corner to me, but I am no expert in this.

There is no wind in Imola... it would be very rare.
They said something about she was supposed to use a different bike, but then the UCI didn't allow. Maybe she never rode the bike before... hydro brakes can be tricky to master

andyp

ugo.santalucia said:

mididoctors said:

the wheel kept skipping. i think she locked upfront then shifted to the back brake once the first skip threw her way off line. still cant tell

gotta love discs

She was on rim brakes.

andyp

rick_chasey said:

mididoctors said:

the wheel kept skipping. i think she locked upfront then shifted to the back brake once the first skip threw her way off line. still cant tell

Looked like a speed wobble when she picked up some wind going round the corner to me, but I am no expert in this.

Chad Haga is suggesting that she had one hand on the base bars, one arm still in the aerobars so could only use the front brake, which caused the wobble.

https://twitter.com/ChadHaga/status/1309157159691849729?s=20

ugo.santalucia

andyp said:

ugo.santalucia said:

mididoctors said:

the wheel kept skipping. i think she locked upfront then shifted to the back brake once the first skip threw her way off line. still cant tell

gotta love discs

She was on rim brakes.

WHere are they though... can't see any caliper (or disc)

andyp

Integrated into the fork and the chainstays. More on it here;

https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/the-bike-she-never-raced-chloe-dygerts-world-champion-edition-felt-da-time-trial-bike/

diplodicus

Front is under cover on fork and rear behind the chainset?

mididoctors

i couldn't see where her hands were tbh looks like both were in the skis?

gweeds

Bikers would call that crash a tankslapper. They always last a while and they’re fucking horrible. You think you’re on the verge of saving it but usually aren’t.

Her knee looks absolutely destroyed. Gutted for her. Gutted. She’s such a talent.

ddraver

Horrible looking injury...thanks twitter

Only upside is that I can imagine that what WvA's leg looked like last year and he seems to have returned ok.

I was going to post this article about her this morning. It's a good read...
https://www.redbull.com/us-en/theredbulletin/kate-courtney-and-chloe-dygert-american-muscle

less so now

No_Ta_Doctor

According to Mathias Norsgsaard, the French team have really crappy skinsuits. So don't go putting money on Cavagna in the TT

rick_chasey

*eyeroll*

I get why you want to encourage innovation at the top end, and no alternative is necessarily better, but when riders are not winning because their kit isn't 'fast' enough - me no like.

r0bh

rick_chasey said:

*eyeroll*

I get why you want to encourage innovation at the top end, and no alternative is necessarily better, but when riders are not winning because their kit isn't 'fast' enough - me no like.

Maybe you should be questioning why the French federation have partnered with an apparrel manufacturer who can't supply them with decent kit; these days any old punter can buy a skinsuit as faster or faster than any that are UCI approved.

gsk82

No_Ta_Doctor said:

According to Mathias Norsgsaard, the French team have really crappy skinsuits. So don't go putting money on Cavagna in the TT

I don't think anyone was anyway

rick_chasey

Jeez, there is some real Francophobia on Pro-Race.

kingstongraham

He's top 5 maybe, but you'd surely be surprised if at least a couple of the other 5 didn't beat him.

bobmcstuff

rick_chasey said:

*eyeroll*

I get why you want to encourage innovation at the top end, and no alternative is necessarily better, but when riders are not winning because their kit isn't 'fast' enough - me no like.

That's inescapable in the TT game, where aerodynamics is king.

To be fair though most teams just buy whatever is the fastest and de-badge it (GCN had something about this with one of the Ineos TT bikes where they were using an Aerocoach disc wheel and a something else front wheel, despite having... Shimano?... wheel sponsors).

I thought below post from Dowsett was quite interesting:

here with a story. This pic was from a great stage 8 of the 2013 giro. I’m not going to sit here and say “back then it was better back then because of xy&z” I wanted to talk about how the TT game has changed. Then and now. For the record I enjoy now much more, it’s tougher to be competitive but I enjoy the process so much more.
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I’d put money on a hunch that no current rider could win a top tier TT in 2020 with this setup, of course you could then, and many won races with worse setups and some teams even now have worse setups than this still, but to be competitive in 2020 this pictured wouldn’t cut the mustard. This bike was a pinarello graal with an 8cm handlebar stem flipped to point upwards, bolt on handlebars, cables everywhere. Very staple lycra overshoes with very standard socks hanging out the top because fashion. The helmet was a stab in the dark because Kiriyenka used the same, the skinsuit was simply the smallest I could fit into, not a trip, fancy fabric or intentionally placed/thickened seam in sight
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Now everything is measureable and quantifiable, access to testing is much more abundant and data is accessible. The net result is speeds are much higher. Outside of the pro scene you can see this by the speeds of the domestic TT scene. This became highly apparent to me at a test run at the maldon 10 just recently. That course has been a testing ground over the years, refining pacing and technique mostly, gauging fitness and bike position by trial and error. I always take race kit, but that’s gone up a notch and I took all the top end race kit recently as a worlds practice run.
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Every component being rigourously tested for speed in a tunnel or on track, my position being refined in the tunnel and being told what position to make comfortable and work instead of directing my position myself. An 18 round there eluded me for a long time until a warm still ‘float night’ last year. But last week, not ideal conditions, bit cold, taking zero risks in the turn, satisfactory but not mind blowing watts, 18.59 was a surprise. And shows how much the game has changed. And I love it.

Even to me, who knows hardly anything about it, he looks pretty amateur in that photo compared to today.

rick_chasey

Yeah, it's inevitable, but sad.

I get anglo fans f*cking love kit - the endless Boardman droning on about it and the chorus of "oh how fascinating", oh my god - but it's certainly not what I like in my bike racing.

TheBigBean

rick_chasey said:

Yeah, it's inevitable, but sad.

I get anglo fans f*cking love kit - the endless Boardman droning on about it and the chorus of "oh how fascinating", oh my god - but it's certainly not what I like in my bike racing.

Just think of TTs as an extension of the track. Not proper racing.

shirley_basso

Exactly. It's a TT - it's all about the detail.

rick_chasey

So for contrast, the fact that, say, someone like Campenaerts has used the opportunity of not being at the Tour to recce the route multiple times, whereas someone like WvA, who will obviously be coming out of the Tour with decent legs, hasn't been able to - is of more interest.