TDF 2020 - Stage 4: Sisteron - Orcières-Merlette 160,5 km *Spoilers*
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I really hope someone thrashes Roglic. It's Valverde style racing. Incredibly boring.0
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Pogacar 2nd today0
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Well that was a fun wait"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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I know it's early days and also that attacking off the pace that Wout / Kuss were setting is near impossible but someone is going to have to go long or they'll be relying on Roglic having a bad day as he'll play that game every day.0
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Martin went too early ...hell of a jump ..."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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By comparison the distance Thomas was going from was like that Froome Giro stage. It was lucky Martin attacked eventually or it would have waited until the last 50m.rick_chasey said:
Who knew Thomas was such a pioneer?RichN95. said:And that is how this Tour will be won. With time bonuses from bunch sprints on MTFs.
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Martin would have won tooPross said:
By comparison the distance Thomas was going from was like that Froome Giro stage. It was lucky Martin attacked eventually or it would have waited until the last 50m.rick_chasey said:
Who knew Thomas was such a pioneer?RichN95. said:And that is how this Tour will be won. With time bonuses from bunch sprints on MTFs.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
It's a flatish stage with a 7km climb at the end, with a flatish final km.Pross said:
By comparison the distance Thomas was going from was like that Froome Giro stage. It was lucky Martin attacked eventually or it would have waited until the last 50m.rick_chasey said:
Who knew Thomas was such a pioneer?RichN95. said:And that is how this Tour will be won. With time bonuses from bunch sprints on MTFs.
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The problem of the small time gaps no one feels as if they are out of it ... Even when they arePross said:I know it's early days and also that attacking off the pace that Wout / Kuss were setting is near impossible but someone is going to have to go long or they'll be relying on Roglic having a bad day as he'll play that game every day.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
rick_chasey said:
Who knew Thomas was such a pioneer?RichN95. said:And that is how this Tour will be won. With time bonuses from bunch sprints on MTFs.
You keep saying this but this is the reality of Thomas two MTF wins. Maybe not dynamic, but there's not 16 people on the same time
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Shit Stage
Shit Finish
Boring riders
What's the point in that
It's great to have it back isn't it?
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Pross said:
I know it's early days and also that attacking off the pace that Wout / Kuss were setting is near impossible but someone is going to have to go long or they'll be relying on Roglic having a bad day as he'll play that game every day.
But are they really going that fast. The peloton was 30 strong under the flamme rouge. I realise it's not the hardest climb, but I've never seen an MTF sprint that big ever before.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Pretty much that tbh hence why I picked roglic along with everyone elserick_chasey said:
It's a flatish stage with a 7km climb at the end, with a flatish final km.Pross said:
By comparison the distance Thomas was going from was like that Froome Giro stage. It was lucky Martin attacked eventually or it would have waited until the last 50m.rick_chasey said:
Who knew Thomas was such a pioneer?RichN95. said:And that is how this Tour will be won. With time bonuses from bunch sprints on MTFs.
What were you expecting?"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
The standard is high . And the standard deviation on watts per kilo across the peloton is shrinking every seasonRichN95. said:Pross said:I know it's early days and also that attacking off the pace that Wout / Kuss were setting is near impossible but someone is going to have to go long or they'll be relying on Roglic having a bad day as he'll play that game every day.
But are they really going that fast. The peloton was 30 strong under the flamme rouge. I realise it's not the hardest climb, but I've never seen an MTF sprint that big ever before."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Exactly. The fact it was a classics rider on the front says it wasn't that hard a pace. What a dull stage.RichN95. said:Pross said:I know it's early days and also that attacking off the pace that Wout / Kuss were setting is near impossible but someone is going to have to go long or they'll be relying on Roglic having a bad day as he'll play that game every day.
But are they really going that fast. The peloton was 30 strong under the flamme rouge. I realise it's not the hardest climb, but I've never seen an MTF sprint that big ever before.0 -
Unnecessary shade being thrown on classics riders here.phreak said:
Exactly. The fact it was a classics rider on the front says it wasn't that hard a pace. What a dull stage.RichN95. said:Pross said:I know it's early days and also that attacking off the pace that Wout / Kuss were setting is near impossible but someone is going to have to go long or they'll be relying on Roglic having a bad day as he'll play that game every day.
But are they really going that fast. The peloton was 30 strong under the flamme rouge. I realise it's not the hardest climb, but I've never seen an MTF sprint that big ever before.0 -
If this is supposed to prove you right, I don't really see it.RichN95. said:rick_chasey said:
Who knew Thomas was such a pioneer?RichN95. said:And that is how this Tour will be won. With time bonuses from bunch sprints on MTFs.
You keep saying this but this is the reality of Thomas two MTF wins. Maybe not dynamic, but there's not 16 people on the same time
Week one shortish mtf? Happens a lot. Happened in the 2008 Tour as well IIRC. The one the cobra won. Group of around 20 arrived more or less together.
Is it not just people aren't used to early week one MTFs where the MTF isn't all that selective?
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Bernal to go long on the Madeleine.. heard it here first"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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He looks quite crooked on his bike this season.mididoctors said:Bernal to go long on the Madeleine.. heard it here first
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Well, my PTP switch from Roglic to Pogacar not as big a disaster as it could have been.Team My Man 2022:
Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet0 -
I've been confused by this too. I just went back and watched Stages 11 and 12 from 2018 as I thought my memory was playing up. Stage 11, Thomas attacked from over 5km, caught Dumoulin and left him standing and passed Nieve in the final km to win by 20 seconds. Stage 12 he won from a sprint of 4 riders having marked out Dumoulin when Froome attacked a few kms from the finish. I'm not quite sure what race Rick is thinking of.RichN95. said:rick_chasey said:
Who knew Thomas was such a pioneer?RichN95. said:And that is how this Tour will be won. With time bonuses from bunch sprints on MTFs.
You keep saying this but this is the reality of Thomas two MTF wins. Maybe not dynamic, but there's not 16 people on the same time0 -
The fact he had about 30 riders on his wheel suggests it wasn't a super hot pace. I'm sure Frenchie wouldn't approve of this dull style of racing.rick_chasey said:
Unnecessary shade being thrown on classics riders here.phreak said:
Exactly. The fact it was a classics rider on the front says it wasn't that hard a pace. What a dull stage.RichN95. said:Pross said:I know it's early days and also that attacking off the pace that Wout / Kuss were setting is near impossible but someone is going to have to go long or they'll be relying on Roglic having a bad day as he'll play that game every day.
But are they really going that fast. The peloton was 30 strong under the flamme rouge. I realise it's not the hardest climb, but I've never seen an MTF sprint that big ever before.0 -
Hirschi lost 38 seconds. Pogacar in white.Team My Man 2022:
Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet0 -
If it was a one off then fine. But I watched the Dauphine and saw this every day until Roglic left.rick_chasey said:
Week one shortish mtf? Happens a lot. Happened in the 2008 Tour as well IIRC. The one the cobra won. Group of around 20 arrived more or less together.
Is it not just people aren't used to early week one MTFs where the MTF isn't all that selective?
2008 had a bit of a sprint. But on a cat 2, not a cat 1 and 16th place was 23 seconds backTwitter: @RichN950 -
They could have attacked if they wanted to/could...phreak said:
The fact he had about 30 riders on his wheel suggests it wasn't a super hot pace. I'm sure Frenchie wouldn't approve of this dull style of racing.rick_chasey said:
Unnecessary shade being thrown on classics riders here.phreak said:
Exactly. The fact it was a classics rider on the front says it wasn't that hard a pace. What a dull stage.RichN95. said:Pross said:I know it's early days and also that attacking off the pace that Wout / Kuss were setting is near impossible but someone is going to have to go long or they'll be relying on Roglic having a bad day as he'll play that game every day.
But are they really going that fast. The peloton was 30 strong under the flamme rouge. I realise it's not the hardest climb, but I've never seen an MTF sprint that big ever before.
A quick reminder, they wouldn't have even been half way up the Alp after 7km.0 -
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Or only about a third of the way up the reference climbs used by people who aren't newbies to the sport.rick_chasey said:
They could have attacked if they wanted to/could...phreak said:
The fact he had about 30 riders on his wheel suggests it wasn't a super hot pace. I'm sure Frenchie wouldn't approve of this dull style of racing.rick_chasey said:
Unnecessary shade being thrown on classics riders here.phreak said:
Exactly. The fact it was a classics rider on the front says it wasn't that hard a pace. What a dull stage.RichN95. said:Pross said:I know it's early days and also that attacking off the pace that Wout / Kuss were setting is near impossible but someone is going to have to go long or they'll be relying on Roglic having a bad day as he'll play that game every day.
But are they really going that fast. The peloton was 30 strong under the flamme rouge. I realise it's not the hardest climb, but I've never seen an MTF sprint that big ever before.
A quick reminder, they wouldn't have even been half way up the Alp after 7km.
Ps the alpe d'huez climb is under 14km."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
Top 20 from another early Cat 1 MTF in that 'boring' 2012 Tour for contrast
1 Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Procycling 4:58:35
2 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team 0:00:02
3 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling
4 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:00:07
5 Rein Taaramae (Est) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne 0:00:19
6 Haimar Zubeldia Agirre (Spa) RadioShack-Nissan 0:00:44
7 Pierre Rolland (Fra) Team Europcar 0:00:46
8 Janez Brajkovic (Slo) Astana Pro Team
9 Denis Menchov (Rus) Katusha Team 0:00:50
10 Maxime Monfort (Bel) RadioShack-Nissan 0:00:56
11 Nicolas Roche (Irl) AG2R La Mondiale 0:01:06
12 Frank Schleck (Lux) RadioShack-Nissan 0:01:09
13 Richie Porte (Aus) Sky Procycling 0:01:14
14 Michael Rogers (Aus) Sky Procycling 0:01:24
15 Thibaut Pinot (Fra) FDJ-Big Mat
16 Samuel Sanchez Gonzalez (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi 0:01:31
17 Daniel Martin (Irl) Garmin - Sharp 0:01:39
18 Gorka Izaguirre Insausti (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi
19 Tony Gallopin (Fra) RadioShack-Nissan 0:01:44
20 Fabian Cancellara (Swi) RadioShack-Nissan 0:01:520
