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  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 8,612
    Gravel rocks
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 13,200

    Gravel rocks

    🤣🤣🤣
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • bobmcstuffbobmcstuff Posts: 9,037
    I don't mind gravel or cobbles just not too much and not every year. I thought the grave in yesterday's stage was fine. The only person negatively affected was Richie and he was due bad luck at some point anyway :wink:
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 24,088
    Pogacar is a phenomenon at 21. So was Armstrong. He genuinely may have been the talent of his generation.
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  • m.r.m.m.r.m. Posts: 2,007
    The yellow bikes of Tour winners/leaders are incredibly underwhelming.
    PTP Champion 2019
  • RichN95. said:

    Pogacar is a phenomenon at 21. So was Armstrong. He genuinely may have been the talent of his generation.

    We will never really how good he would have been without being on the needle.
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  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 13,200

    RichN95. said:

    Pogacar is a phenomenon at 21. So was Armstrong. He genuinely may have been the talent of his generation.

    We will never really how good he would have been without being on the needle.
    Currently watching the documentaries on iPlayer. He admits to drug cheating in his first year as a professional. He was 21.
    1. LA never competed as a clean professional cyclist.
    2. Neither did the vast majority of his competition.
    3. He was the best of the cheating generation*.

    Apples and oranges. We hope. 🤞🤞🤞

    *I preferred Pantani but LA's results speak for themselves.
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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 20,522
    m.r.m. said:

    The yellow bikes of Tour winners/leaders are incredibly underwhelming.

    What do you want from them? They re just a normal bike, but yellow...
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  • m.r.m.m.r.m. Posts: 2,007
    edited 22 September
    Well you could add metallic or crystalline flake into the paint, or a yellow fade to a team color etc. etc.

    The lack of creativity is exactly what I'm criticizing.
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  • salsiccia1salsiccia1 Posts: 3,521
    For Pogacar they had 18 hours to knock a yellow one up in the factory, get it transported to the stage start and build the bike. They may not have had much wiggle room to mix a new paint or do anything fancy.
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • m.r.m.m.r.m. Posts: 2,007
    Well if you are contending GC, your factory could prepare in advance. Doubt that costs that much extra money.
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  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 13,200
    m.r.m. said:

    Well if you are contending GC, your factory could prepare in advance. Doubt that costs that much extra money.

    Pogacar wasn't their No.1 rider though.
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  • andypandyp Posts: 8,321

    For Pogacar they had 18 hours to knock a yellow one up in the factory, get it transported to the stage start and build the bike. They may not have had much wiggle room to mix a new paint or do anything fancy.

    I guarantee that frame was pre-prepared just in case.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 24,088
    andyp said:

    For Pogacar they had 18 hours to knock a yellow one up in the factory, get it transported to the stage start and build the bike. They may not have had much wiggle room to mix a new paint or do anything fancy.

    I guarantee that frame was pre-prepared just in case.

    They seem to have face masks in all the right colours ready by the podium
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  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 13,200
    andyp said:

    For Pogacar they had 18 hours to knock a yellow one up in the factory, get it transported to the stage start and build the bike. They may not have had much wiggle room to mix a new paint or do anything fancy.

    I guarantee that frame was pre-prepared just in case.
    Going by historical stories, all that is required is a paint job and ship.
    No need to build a new frame as they are all stock moulds these days, aren't they?*

    *Exception to prove the rule - Cannondale once said that Sagan's requirements were most definitely not standard (short head tube, long top tube) so special moulds would be required. The paint job would be pretty much guaranteed at the time. 😉
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  • DeadCalmDeadCalm Posts: 3,676
    Mathieu van der Poel is a flat track bully on the road and his road palmares when he retires will be nothing exceptional.
  • 50x1150x11 Posts: 281
    DeadCalm said:

    Mathieu van der Poel is a flat track bully on the road and his road palmares when he retires will be nothing exceptional.

    Haha, if he retired tomorrow it'd be exceptional. Multiple WT wins, one day wins, multiple National champs wins on top of his cross and MTB make it exceptional. He was one win away from being European champion in XC, MTB and road. This isn't unpopular, it's just nonsense.
  • gsk82gsk82 Posts: 2,708
    50x11 said:

    DeadCalm said:

    Mathieu van der Poel is a flat track bully on the road and his road palmares when he retires will be nothing exceptional.

    Haha, if he retired tomorrow it'd be exceptional. Multiple WT wins, one day wins, multiple National champs wins on top of his cross and MTB make it exceptional. He was one win away from being European champion in XC, MTB and road. This isn't unpopular, it's just nonsense.
    I'm not sure Amstel good and the tour of Britain rank as exceptional.
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  • webboowebboo Posts: 2,897
    Yet the man who stopped him winning the world cyclocross championship up to last season, is drug cheat because he has been ripping the legs of everybody.
  • DeVlaeminckDeVlaeminck Posts: 6,149
    50x11 said:

    DeadCalm said:

    Mathieu van der Poel is a flat track bully on the road and his road palmares when he retires will be nothing exceptional.

    Haha, if he retired tomorrow it'd be exceptional. Multiple WT wins, one day wins, multiple National champs wins on top of his cross and MTB make it exceptional. He was one win away from being European champion in XC, MTB and road. This isn't unpopular, it's just nonsense.
    Can't disagree but he did say his road palmares which probably wouldn't count as exceptional right now - not on a world level.
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  • DeadCalmDeadCalm Posts: 3,676
    50x11 said:

    DeadCalm said:

    Mathieu van der Poel is a flat track bully on the road and his road palmares when he retires will be nothing exceptional.

    Haha, if he retired tomorrow it'd be exceptional. Multiple WT wins, one day wins, multiple National champs wins on top of his cross and MTB make it exceptional. He was one win away from being European champion in XC, MTB and road. This isn't unpopular, it's just nonsense.
    Read my post again. I'm talking only about the road. To be considered exceptional on the road he needs to do way better than Amstel Gold and Dwars door Vlaanderen plus a bunch of chippers.
  • 50x1150x11 Posts: 281
    DeadCalm said:

    50x11 said:

    DeadCalm said:

    Mathieu van der Poel is a flat track bully on the road and his road palmares when he retires will be nothing exceptional.

    Haha, if he retired tomorrow it'd be exceptional. Multiple WT wins, one day wins, multiple National champs wins on top of his cross and MTB make it exceptional. He was one win away from being European champion in XC, MTB and road. This isn't unpopular, it's just nonsense.
    Read my post again. I'm talking only about the road. To be considered exceptional on the road he needs to do way better than Amstel Gold and Dwars door Vlaanderen plus a bunch of chippers.
    Who do you count as having an exceptional palmares?
  • 50x1150x11 Posts: 281
    webboo said:

    Yet the man who stopped him winning the world cyclocross championship up to last season, is drug cheat because he has been ripping the legs of everybody.

    This comment makes zero sense. Winning at cross then going over HC mountains in the front group, then winning a bunch sprint, then top 5 TT with a mountain in it are all the same thing.
  • DeadCalm said:

    50x11 said:

    DeadCalm said:

    Mathieu van der Poel is a flat track bully on the road and his road palmares when he retires will be nothing exceptional.

    Haha, if he retired tomorrow it'd be exceptional. Multiple WT wins, one day wins, multiple National champs wins on top of his cross and MTB make it exceptional. He was one win away from being European champion in XC, MTB and road. This isn't unpopular, it's just nonsense.
    Read my post again. I'm talking only about the road. To be considered exceptional on the road he needs to do way better than Amstel Gold and Dwars door Vlaanderen plus a bunch of chippers.
    He's been little more than average so far this season.
    Just a win on the flat in Tirreno and the Dutch champs.
    Van Aert has been in a different league on the road.
    He hasn't been the same rider since his legs fell off in Harrogate.

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  • webboowebboo Posts: 2,897
    50x11 said:

    webboo said:

    Yet the man who stopped him winning the world cyclocross championship up to last season, is drug cheat because he has been ripping the legs of everybody.

    This comment makes zero sense. Winning at cross then going over HC mountains in the front group, then winning a bunch sprint, then top 5 TT with a mountain in it are all the same thing.
    Last year prior to his crash in the Tour, he was doing very impressive rides both in the classics, the Dauphiné and then the Tour. This year post accident he has gradually built up from a 4th place in cross worlds, followed by shut down to hit the ground running. If anyone knows how to hit peak form without racing it must be WvA as done it early in the year. Also if you have ever watched cross and watched WvA , MVP or even Tom Pidcock hit the afterburners in cross race. They make the rest of the Elite class look ordinary.
  • bobmcstuffbobmcstuff Posts: 9,037
    50x11 said:

    DeadCalm said:

    50x11 said:

    DeadCalm said:

    Mathieu van der Poel is a flat track bully on the road and his road palmares when he retires will be nothing exceptional.

    Haha, if he retired tomorrow it'd be exceptional. Multiple WT wins, one day wins, multiple National champs wins on top of his cross and MTB make it exceptional. He was one win away from being European champion in XC, MTB and road. This isn't unpopular, it's just nonsense.
    Read my post again. I'm talking only about the road. To be considered exceptional on the road he needs to do way better than Amstel Gold and Dwars door Vlaanderen plus a bunch of chippers.
    Who do you count as having an exceptional palmares?
    Not that.

    There is still plenty of time for him though. He'll have to pick races WvA isn't riding though ;)
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 24,088
    50x11 said:

    DeadCalm said:



    Read my post again. I'm talking only about the road. To be considered exceptional on the road he needs to do way better than Amstel Gold and Dwars door Vlaanderen plus a bunch of chippers.

    Who do you count as having an exceptional palmares?

    Enrico Gasparotto. He's won Amstel twice
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  • DeadCalmDeadCalm Posts: 3,676
    50x11 said:

    DeadCalm said:

    50x11 said:

    DeadCalm said:

    Mathieu van der Poel is a flat track bully on the road and his road palmares when he retires will be nothing exceptional.

    Haha, if he retired tomorrow it'd be exceptional. Multiple WT wins, one day wins, multiple National champs wins on top of his cross and MTB make it exceptional. He was one win away from being European champion in XC, MTB and road. This isn't unpopular, it's just nonsense.
    Read my post again. I'm talking only about the road. To be considered exceptional on the road he needs to do way better than Amstel Gold and Dwars door Vlaanderen plus a bunch of chippers.
    Who do you count as having an exceptional palmares?
    Of current riders, Gilbert.
  • ProssPross Posts: 24,284
    DeadCalm said:

    50x11 said:

    DeadCalm said:

    50x11 said:

    DeadCalm said:

    Mathieu van der Poel is a flat track bully on the road and his road palmares when he retires will be nothing exceptional.

    Haha, if he retired tomorrow it'd be exceptional. Multiple WT wins, one day wins, multiple National champs wins on top of his cross and MTB make it exceptional. He was one win away from being European champion in XC, MTB and road. This isn't unpopular, it's just nonsense.
    Read my post again. I'm talking only about the road. To be considered exceptional on the road he needs to do way better than Amstel Gold and Dwars door Vlaanderen plus a bunch of chippers.
    Who do you count as having an exceptional palmares?
    Of current riders, Gilbert.
    Valverde? Sagan? Froome? Nibali? Kwia hasn't done too badly either.
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