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  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 7,564
    From the article:

    "Asked by the BBC's Gordon Brewer if the protest was just a few people "clowning around", he said: "It is but these send messages out."

    No agendas visible at all really.
  • morstarmorstar Posts: 3,896

    nickice said:

    I'm from Scotland but I wanted England to win the World Cup and always support them (after Scotland).

    Perhaps a trivial thing that annoys me but those idiots at the border actually made me ashamed. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-border-protest-absolute-disgrace-22304552

    Actually, I don't understand how the SNP can claim their kind of nationalism is inclusive. Looks like every other kind of nationalism to me.

    I couldn't have put it better myself. I'm English, living in Scotland, and I can assure you it is not inclusive unless you are Scottish. There is so much inferred anti-English bias in what the SNP puts out on a relentless daily basis that I will not stay in Scotland when I retire. I don't, as a person who identifies as being British, then English, feel welcome here.

    It also hasn't escaped my notice that Scotland is one of the most shockingly monochrome countries on earth. I don't know why that is, but I can't imagine that the "them and us" rhetoric which underlines all of Scottish politics is helping, because the "us" all look and sound the same, as far as I can tell.
    By lineage I am a quarter Scottish but have lived in England all my life. I consider myself British but am not hung up on nationality.
    Currently employed by a UK wide company based in Glasgow.
    The use of the term ‘down south’ amused me at first but I now find it very grating that the majority of Britain’s population just exists somewhere down there. If it’s just in casual conversation I don’t mind but it gets used in company briefings.
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 18,966
    nickice said:

    I'm from Scotland but I wanted England to win the World Cup and always support them (after Scotland).

    Perhaps a trivial thing that annoys me but those idiots at the border actually made me ashamed. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-border-protest-absolute-disgrace-22304552

    Actually, I don't understand how the SNP can claim their kind of nationalism is inclusive. Looks like every other kind of nationalism to me.

    Agreed. Nationalism is still nationalism whatever you wrap it up in.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Liberal metropolitan, remoaner, traitor, "sympathiser", etc.
  • oxomanoxoman Posts: 8,861
    At least the jocks speak english, unlike the Welsh.
    Too many bikes according to Mrs O.
  • john80john80 Posts: 1,866
    oxoman said:

    At least the jocks speak english, unlike the Welsh.

    You beats the gaelic out of us.
  • Gravel bikes/biking is just cyclocross rebranded. And not in a good way!
    Not a Giro Hero!
  • morstarmorstar Posts: 3,896

    Gravel bikes/biking is just cyclocross rebranded. And not in a good way!

    I am not sure why the name has stuck over here.
    It is named after the long gravel roads of the US that Europe doesn’t really have in the same way.
    Adventure seems the better name. But yes, CX without a number on your back.
  • oxomanoxoman Posts: 8,861
    Cyclocross and gravel bikes are just road bikes with bigger tyres and clearance. Mountain bikes started out as heavy duty road bikes with straight bars.
    Too many bikes according to Mrs O.
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 44,037
    Mountain biking is much more fun than this roadie business.
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  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 14,204
    oxoman said:

    Cyclocross and gravel bikes are just road bikes with bigger tyres and clearance. Mountain bikes started out as heavy duty road bikes with straight bars.

    Sounds like my first "mountain bike". Removed the mudguards, fitted knobbly tyres, straight bars and dropped the saddle. Sorted. Round about 1977, I think.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • oxomanoxoman Posts: 8,861
    That's around the same time i was doing it.
    Too many bikes according to Mrs O.
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 11,843
    Stevo_666 said:

    Mountain biking is much more fun than this roadie business.

    Does anyone disagree? I can see an argument that racing on a road bike is more fun than on a mountain bike.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 52,708 Lives Here

    Stevo_666 said:

    Mountain biking is much more fun than this roadie business.

    Does anyone disagree? I can see an argument that racing on a road bike is more fun than on a mountain bike.
    I’m not a fan of mtb.
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 11,843

    Stevo_666 said:

    Mountain biking is much more fun than this roadie business.

    Does anyone disagree? I can see an argument that racing on a road bike is more fun than on a mountain bike.
    I’m not a fan of mtb.
    I was lucky to grow up somewhere that was really good for it. I guess if I grew up somewhere without hills I might have a different view. It is one of the things I miss living in London.
  • oxomanoxoman Posts: 8,861
    Not sure what that makes me as I swing both ways.😊😋
    Too many bikes according to Mrs O.
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 21,154
    "A really good bike handler" according to commentators everywhere...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 52,708 Lives Here

    Stevo_666 said:

    Mountain biking is much more fun than this roadie business.

    Does anyone disagree? I can see an argument that racing on a road bike is more fun than on a mountain bike.
    I’m not a fan of mtb.
    I was lucky to grow up somewhere that was really good for it. I guess if I grew up somewhere without hills I might have a different view. It is one of the things I miss living in London.
    Meh i did a bit of it in the peaks which is hilly enough.

    I found it too slow, I don’t like getting muddy and I didn’t really get a thrill out of bombing down a trail in the same way I would get on a road descent.
  • First.AspectFirst.Aspect Posts: 5,449

    Stevo_666 said:

    Mountain biking is much more fun than this roadie business.

    Does anyone disagree? I can see an argument that racing on a road bike is more fun than on a mountain bike.
    I’m not a fan of mtb.
    I was lucky to grow up somewhere that was really good for it. I guess if I grew up somewhere without hills I might have a different view. It is one of the things I miss living in London.
    Meh i did a bit of it in the peaks which is hilly enough.

    I found it too slow, I don’t like getting muddy and I didn’t really get a thrill out of bombing down a trail in the same way I would get on a road descent.
    It is an age thing. Last time I went mountain biking, I assessed every root and rock by potential re-hab time.

    Road cycling seems more trinary somehow. Dead. Road rash/collar bone. Whehey.
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 18,966

    Stevo_666 said:

    Mountain biking is much more fun than this roadie business.

    Does anyone disagree? I can see an argument that racing on a road bike is more fun than on a mountain bike.
    I’m not a fan of mtb.
    I was lucky to grow up somewhere that was really good for it. I guess if I grew up somewhere without hills I might have a different view. It is one of the things I miss living in London.
    Meh i did a bit of it in the peaks which is hilly enough.

    I found it too slow, I don’t like getting muddy and I didn’t really get a thrill out of bombing down a trail in the same way I would get on a road descent.
    It is an age thing. Last time I went mountain biking, I assessed every root and rock by potential re-hab time.

    Road cycling seems more trinary somehow. Dead. Road rash/collar bone. Whehey.
    And none of that getting a lift up to the top nonsense. Must admit I am too old for the weaving through trees bit. The trees *always* win.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Liberal metropolitan, remoaner, traitor, "sympathiser", etc.
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 21,154
    Fun sponges! The lot of you!

    (Though must say I've fallen out of love with it the last few years. I fancied another go this summer though - before I broke myself)
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • oxomanoxoman Posts: 8,861
    I learnt a couple of yrs ago to take it steady after an off that nearly cost me my arm through bad infection. Stick to XC and easier stuff faster, no jumping now. Well not big ones.
    Too many bikes according to Mrs O.
  • ProssPross Posts: 25,468
    I find mountain biking similar to mountain running, I get a romanticised image in my head of cruising along trails, enjoying beautiful scenery and fresh air then when I do it the reality is pain in your legs going up combined with cuts and bruises from the terrain. I don't ride much on or off road anymore but I still keep fooling myself into believing that image in my head of running free across the mountains.
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 44,037
    I've given up the uplift stuff now after ripping my supraspinatus tendon a couple of years back - just don't bounce as well any more. But still enjoy a bit of trail stuff, makes you feel alive.
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  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 14,204
    I have learned 4 things the hard way about recreating your youth.
    1. It is scarier than you remember.
    2. It hurts more than you remember.
    3. Injury recovery takes a hell of a lot longer.
    4. If you don't experience 1-3 then you are simply playing at it.

    😉
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 44,037
    pblakeney said:

    I have learned 4 things the hard way about recreating your youth.
    1. It is scarier than you remember.
    2. It hurts more than you remember.
    3. Injury recovery takes a hell of a lot longer.
    4. If you don't experience 1-3 then you are simply playing at it.

    😉

    I only picked up mountain biking in my early 40's...
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    Bruiser
    Panzer
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    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 14,204
    Too late.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 52,708 Lives Here

    Stevo_666 said:

    Mountain biking is much more fun than this roadie business.

    Does anyone disagree? I can see an argument that racing on a road bike is more fun than on a mountain bike.
    I’m not a fan of mtb.
    I was lucky to grow up somewhere that was really good for it. I guess if I grew up somewhere without hills I might have a different view. It is one of the things I miss living in London.
    Meh i did a bit of it in the peaks which is hilly enough.

    I found it too slow, I don’t like getting muddy and I didn’t really get a thrill out of bombing down a trail in the same way I would get on a road descent.
    It is an age thing. Last time I went mountain biking, I assessed every root and rock by potential re-hab time.

    Road cycling seems more trinary somehow. Dead. Road rash/collar bone. Whehey.
    I spend most road descents either working out how little I can use the brakes or wondering if it’s worthwhile getting into a supertuck.
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 18,966

    Stevo_666 said:

    Mountain biking is much more fun than this roadie business.

    Does anyone disagree? I can see an argument that racing on a road bike is more fun than on a mountain bike.
    I’m not a fan of mtb.
    I was lucky to grow up somewhere that was really good for it. I guess if I grew up somewhere without hills I might have a different view. It is one of the things I miss living in London.
    Meh i did a bit of it in the peaks which is hilly enough.

    I found it too slow, I don’t like getting muddy and I didn’t really get a thrill out of bombing down a trail in the same way I would get on a road descent.
    It is an age thing. Last time I went mountain biking, I assessed every root and rock by potential re-hab time.

    Road cycling seems more trinary somehow. Dead. Road rash/collar bone. Whehey.
    I spend most road descents either working out how little I can use the brakes or wondering if it’s worthwhile getting into a supertuck.
    In Cambridgeshire? 🤔
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Liberal metropolitan, remoaner, traitor, "sympathiser", etc.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 52,708 Lives Here
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Mountain biking is much more fun than this roadie business.

    Does anyone disagree? I can see an argument that racing on a road bike is more fun than on a mountain bike.
    I’m not a fan of mtb.
    I was lucky to grow up somewhere that was really good for it. I guess if I grew up somewhere without hills I might have a different view. It is one of the things I miss living in London.
    Meh i did a bit of it in the peaks which is hilly enough.

    I found it too slow, I don’t like getting muddy and I didn’t really get a thrill out of bombing down a trail in the same way I would get on a road descent.
    It is an age thing. Last time I went mountain biking, I assessed every root and rock by potential re-hab time.

    Road cycling seems more trinary somehow. Dead. Road rash/collar bone. Whehey.
    I spend most road descents either working out how little I can use the brakes or wondering if it’s worthwhile getting into a supertuck.
    In Cambridgeshire? 🤔
    Ha no.
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 14,204

    Stevo_666 said:

    Mountain biking is much more fun than this roadie business.

    Does anyone disagree? I can see an argument that racing on a road bike is more fun than on a mountain bike.
    I’m not a fan of mtb.
    I was lucky to grow up somewhere that was really good for it. I guess if I grew up somewhere without hills I might have a different view. It is one of the things I miss living in London.
    Meh i did a bit of it in the peaks which is hilly enough.

    I found it too slow, I don’t like getting muddy and I didn’t really get a thrill out of bombing down a trail in the same way I would get on a road descent.
    It is an age thing. Last time I went mountain biking, I assessed every root and rock by potential re-hab time.

    Road cycling seems more trinary somehow. Dead. Road rash/collar bone. Whehey.
    I spend most road descents either working out how little I can use the brakes or wondering if it’s worthwhile getting into a supertuck.
    I followed a guy down Galibier with suitable braking distance so no draughting. Where it slightly levelled off he would sit up and pedal while I maintained my tuck. I had to brake as I was catching him.
    A small sample but real life test.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
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