Unpopular Opinions

surrey_commuter

kingstongraham said:

My unpopular opinion: Decimated no longer means what it used to. And that's fine.

do people still literally use the word literally to mean the opposite of what means or was that a passing fad?

kingstongraham

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

My unpopular opinion: Decimated no longer means what it used to. And that's fine.

do people still literally use the word literally to mean the opposite of what means or was that a passing fad?

I think some people are trying to bring back what it meant to the Romans, but that's the meaning way less than 10% of the time.

surrey_commuter

kingstongraham said:

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

My unpopular opinion: Decimated no longer means what it used to. And that's fine.

do people still literally use the word literally to mean the opposite of what means or was that a passing fad?

I think some people are trying to bring back what it meant to the Romans, but that's the meaning way less than 10% of the time.

so what % spread would you say that decimate means?

and if I said business had halved what % spread would that mean to you?

orraloon

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

Time to realise that airline companies are just the flavour of the day.
Many other industries are going to be decimated in the next year.

I think the owners of any company that has only been decimated will be doing a jig of joy

I don't think 1 in 10 dying within a company is going to be that acceptable. Definitely not jig of joy territory.

I was off school the day we did latin but does it not mean to reduce by one tenth, the original usage was discipline in the Roman Legions?

Yes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimation_(Roman_army)

TheBigBean

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

Time to realise that airline companies are just the flavour of the day.
Many other industries are going to be decimated in the next year.

I think the owners of any company that has only been decimated will be doing a jig of joy

I don't think 1 in 10 dying within a company is going to be that acceptable. Definitely not jig of joy territory.

I was off school the day we did latin but does it not mean to reduce by one tenth, the original usage was discipline in the Roman Legions?

Which definition would you like to use?

1. To destroy or kill a large part of (a group of people or organisms).
2. Usage Problem
a. To inflict great destruction or damage on: The storm decimated the region.
b. To reduce markedly in amount: a profligate heir who decimated his trust fund.
3. To select by lot and kill one in every ten of (a group of soldiers).

surrey_commuter

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

Time to realise that airline companies are just the flavour of the day.
Many other industries are going to be decimated in the next year.

I think the owners of any company that has only been decimated will be doing a jig of joy

I don't think 1 in 10 dying within a company is going to be that acceptable. Definitely not jig of joy territory.

I was off school the day we did latin but does it not mean to reduce by one tenth, the original usage was discipline in the Roman Legions?

Which definition would you like to use?

1. To destroy or kill a large part of (a group of people or organisms).
2. Usage Problem
a. To inflict great destruction or damage on: The storm decimated the region.
b. To reduce markedly in amount: a profligate heir who decimated his trust fund.
3. To select by lot and kill one in every ten of (a group of soldiers).

The word decimation is derived from Latin meaning "removal of a tenth

kingstongraham

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

Time to realise that airline companies are just the flavour of the day.
Many other industries are going to be decimated in the next year.

I think the owners of any company that has only been decimated will be doing a jig of joy

I don't think 1 in 10 dying within a company is going to be that acceptable. Definitely not jig of joy territory.

I was off school the day we did latin but does it not mean to reduce by one tenth, the original usage was discipline in the Roman Legions?

Which definition would you like to use?

1. To destroy or kill a large part of (a group of people or organisms).
2. Usage Problem
a. To inflict great destruction or damage on: The storm decimated the region.
b. To reduce markedly in amount: a profligate heir who decimated his trust fund.
3. To select by lot and kill one in every ten of (a group of soldiers).

The word decimation is derived from Latin meaning "removal of a tenth

That is true.

Awful how words change their meaning.

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

Time to realise that airline companies are just the flavour of the day.
Many other industries are going to be decimated in the next year.

I dunno, airlines are quite uniquely exposed to stuff like this.

They may lose more than 10% but they will be far from unique.

rick_chasey

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

Time to realise that airline companies are just the flavour of the day.
Many other industries are going to be decimated in the next year.

I dunno, airlines are quite uniquely exposed to stuff like this.

They may lose more than 10% but they will be far from unique.

I think air travel will be worst hit of the major industries.

Open to suggestions for those who may do worse.

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

Time to realise that airline companies are just the flavour of the day.
Many other industries are going to be decimated in the next year.

I dunno, airlines are quite uniquely exposed to stuff like this.

They may lose more than 10% but they will be far from unique.

I think air travel will be worst hit of the major industries.

Open to suggestions for those who may do worse.

Time will tell. Guessing is futile.

Jeremy.89

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

Time to realise that airline companies are just the flavour of the day.
Many other industries are going to be decimated in the next year.

I dunno, airlines are quite uniquely exposed to stuff like this.

They may lose more than 10% but they will be far from unique.

I think air travel will be worst hit of the major industries.

Open to suggestions for those who may do worse.

I'd say long haul travel is almost uniquely placed to do absolutely horribly in the current situation.

First.Aspect

ugo.santalucia said:

First.Aspect said:

Because lets face it, fannying around the edges is pointless. As long as there are planes, people will fly. As long as oil/gas/coal is cheaper, people will burn it.

You talk like Charlton Heston... so one could say that for as long as there are weapons around people will buy them and use them enthusiastically.
It's down to the regulators to realise that the aviation sector cannot be made environmentally sustainable for the foreseeable future and therefore needs to be limited...
Then if someone comes up with an electric plane that can be charged with solar cells, that's a different story, but that technology is not even in the pipeline.

Of course if you think a few thousand jobs and people's freedom to go get a skin cancer in Andalucia are more important than tackling climate change, then we are always going to collide, academic or not...

The bigger picture...

You have absolutely perfectly missed the point.

surrey_commuter

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

Time to realise that airline companies are just the flavour of the day.
Many other industries are going to be decimated in the next year.

I dunno, airlines are quite uniquely exposed to stuff like this.

They may lose more than 10% but they will be far from unique.

I think air travel will be worst hit of the major industries.

Open to suggestions for those who may do worse.

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

Time to realise that airline companies are just the flavour of the day.
Many other industries are going to be decimated in the next year.

I dunno, airlines are quite uniquely exposed to stuff like this.

They may lose more than 10% but they will be far from unique.

I think air travel will be worst hit of the major industries.

Open to suggestions for those who may do worse.

Cruise ships
Commercial (office) property
Barbers

TheBigBean

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

Time to realise that airline companies are just the flavour of the day.
Many other industries are going to be decimated in the next year.

I think the owners of any company that has only been decimated will be doing a jig of joy

I don't think 1 in 10 dying within a company is going to be that acceptable. Definitely not jig of joy territory.

I was off school the day we did latin but does it not mean to reduce by one tenth, the original usage was discipline in the Roman Legions?

Which definition would you like to use?

1. To destroy or kill a large part of (a group of people or organisms).
2. Usage Problem
a. To inflict great destruction or damage on: The storm decimated the region.
b. To reduce markedly in amount: a profligate heir who decimated his trust fund.
3. To select by lot and kill one in every ten of (a group of soldiers).

The word decimation is derived from Latin meaning "removal of a tenth

I'm going to file this away as one of your odd opinions. It scores highly, but not as highly as the countries should be geographically tidy opinion - that's the benchmark by which I judge.

surrey_commuter

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

Time to realise that airline companies are just the flavour of the day.
Many other industries are going to be decimated in the next year.

I think the owners of any company that has only been decimated will be doing a jig of joy

I don't think 1 in 10 dying within a company is going to be that acceptable. Definitely not jig of joy territory.

I was off school the day we did latin but does it not mean to reduce by one tenth, the original usage was discipline in the Roman Legions?

Which definition would you like to use?

1. To destroy or kill a large part of (a group of people or organisms).
2. Usage Problem
a. To inflict great destruction or damage on: The storm decimated the region.
b. To reduce markedly in amount: a profligate heir who decimated his trust fund.
3. To select by lot and kill one in every ten of (a group of soldiers).

The word decimation is derived from Latin meaning "removal of a tenth

I'm going to file this away as one of your odd opinions. It scores highly, but not as highly as the countries should be geographically tidy opinion - that's the benchmark by which I judge.

Just imagine the ones I keep to myself

rick_chasey

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

Time to realise that airline companies are just the flavour of the day.
Many other industries are going to be decimated in the next year.

I dunno, airlines are quite uniquely exposed to stuff like this.

They may lose more than 10% but they will be far from unique.

I think air travel will be worst hit of the major industries.

Open to suggestions for those who may do worse.

Time will tell. Guessing is futile.

Eh? It really isn’t.

rick_chasey

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

Time to realise that airline companies are just the flavour of the day.
Many other industries are going to be decimated in the next year.

I dunno, airlines are quite uniquely exposed to stuff like this.

They may lose more than 10% but they will be far from unique.

I think air travel will be worst hit of the major industries.

Open to suggestions for those who may do worse.

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

Time to realise that airline companies are just the flavour of the day.
Many other industries are going to be decimated in the next year.

I dunno, airlines are quite uniquely exposed to stuff like this.

They may lose more than 10% but they will be far from unique.

I think air travel will be worst hit of the major industries.

Open to suggestions for those who may do worse.

Cruise ships
Commercial (office) property
Barbers

Fair cop on cruise ships (though arguably its not ‘major’)

Commercial property outside of London no one is apparently worried about (from what I have heard from RE investors)

Barbers: was the first thing most men did as soon as they lifted lockdown so not convinced (but I’m a baldy so it’s been a long time since I’ve set foot in one)

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

Time to realise that airline companies are just the flavour of the day.
Many other industries are going to be decimated in the next year.

I dunno, airlines are quite uniquely exposed to stuff like this.

They may lose more than 10% but they will be far from unique.

I think air travel will be worst hit of the major industries.

Open to suggestions for those who may do worse.

Time will tell. Guessing is futile.

Eh? It really isn’t.

What will it achieve? Other than making it onto the unpopular opinion list.

capt_slog

kingstongraham said:

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

Time to realise that airline companies are just the flavour of the day.
Many other industries are going to be decimated in the next year.

I think the owners of any company that has only been decimated will be doing a jig of joy

I don't think 1 in 10 dying within a company is going to be that acceptable. Definitely not jig of joy territory.

I was off school the day we did latin but does it not mean to reduce by one tenth, the original usage was discipline in the Roman Legions?

Which definition would you like to use?

1. To destroy or kill a large part of (a group of people or organisms).
2. Usage Problem
a. To inflict great destruction or damage on: The storm decimated the region.
b. To reduce markedly in amount: a profligate heir who decimated his trust fund.
3. To select by lot and kill one in every ten of (a group of soldiers).

The word decimation is derived from Latin meaning "removal of a tenth

That is true.

Awful how words change their meaning.

nice one.

ugo.santalucia

First.Aspect said:

ugo.santalucia said:

First.Aspect said:

Because lets face it, fannying around the edges is pointless. As long as there are planes, people will fly. As long as oil/gas/coal is cheaper, people will burn it.

You talk like Charlton Heston... so one could say that for as long as there are weapons around people will buy them and use them enthusiastically.
It's down to the regulators to realise that the aviation sector cannot be made environmentally sustainable for the foreseeable future and therefore needs to be limited...
Then if someone comes up with an electric plane that can be charged with solar cells, that's a different story, but that technology is not even in the pipeline.

Of course if you think a few thousand jobs and people's freedom to go get a skin cancer in Andalucia are more important than tackling climate change, then we are always going to collide, academic or not...

The bigger picture...

You have absolutely perfectly missed the point.

No, I didn't... you think that where there is demand, supply will follow and I think there are areas where the regulator needs to intervene... just like the sale of weapons, the sale of flights needs to be regulated for the good of mankind.

The various carbon offsetting schemes which have been around for over a decade have done an iota to help with climate change, so it is time for more drastic action.

It's not just air travel that needs to be curbed... beef and lamb production too. Prices will go up, inevitable, people will switch to alternatives

pblakeney

Carbon offset is a con to ease the consciences of the users.
Not sure if that is popular or unpopular?

ugo.santalucia

pblakeney said:

Carbon offset is a con to ease the consciences of the users.
Not sure if that is popular or unpopular?

Whatever it is, it doesn't work... it hasn't produced any measurable effect in reducing global warming...

parryman

"pigs in blankets" (sausage wrapped in bacon) are overrated and not actually that nice.

Bacon in general isn't that good.
(I like the odd rasher, and a bacon sandwich after a night on the sauce can be a magical experience, but it doesn't improve everything

surrey_commuter

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

Time to realise that airline companies are just the flavour of the day.
Many other industries are going to be decimated in the next year.

I dunno, airlines are quite uniquely exposed to stuff like this.

They may lose more than 10% but they will be far from unique.

I think air travel will be worst hit of the major industries.

Open to suggestions for those who may do worse.

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

Time to realise that airline companies are just the flavour of the day.
Many other industries are going to be decimated in the next year.

I dunno, airlines are quite uniquely exposed to stuff like this.

They may lose more than 10% but they will be far from unique.

I think air travel will be worst hit of the major industries.

Open to suggestions for those who may do worse.

Cruise ships
Commercial (office) property
Barbers

Fair cop on cruise ships (though arguably its not ‘major’)

Commercial property outside of London no one is apparently worried about (from what I have heard from RE investors)

Barbers: was the first thing most men did as soon as they lifted lockdown so not convinced (but I’m a baldy so it’s been a long time since I’ve set foot in one)

I think commercial property defies logic and if the tvvats on councils get blocked from buying there could be a fallout.

I think there is an oversupply of barber shops and if 10% of their customers have discovered the joys of DIY then many will fail

surrey_commuter

parryman said:

"pigs in blankets" (sausage wrapped in bacon) are overrated and not actually that nice.

Bacon in general isn't that good.
(I like the odd rasher, and a bacon sandwich after a night on the sauce can be a magical experience, but it doesn't improve everything

Pigs in blankets are like sausage rolls, they over promise and under deliver

Bacon is excellent, you need to switch supplier

TheBigBean

pblakeney said:

Carbon offset is a con to ease the consciences of the users.
Not sure if that is popular or unpopular?

It might be in the form of paying £5 when flying, but it is fairly fundamental to achieving net zero.

tailwindhome

That would be a lovely day for messing about in a boat in the English Channel

rick_chasey

tailwindhome said:

That would be a lovely day for messing about in a boat in the English Channel

Haha omg sailing the English Channel is seriously stressful.

Did it once. Never again. Frightening.

ugo.santalucia

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

Carbon offset is a con to ease the consciences of the users.
Not sure if that is popular or unpopular?

It might be in the form of paying £5 when flying, but it is fairly fundamental to achieving net zero.

Net zero is a flawed concept... basically you are working on the assumption that you are producing a ton of CO2 now, but you are planting X trees which over the course of 20 years will mop up the CO2 I produced in a day... or paying for some carbon offsetting schemes, which most likely invest in off shore equity firms, which allegedly invest in renewables or reforestation... it's all nonsense.

If you want to cut CO2, you need to cut CO2... end of

Pross

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

Time to realise that airline companies are just the flavour of the day.
Many other industries are going to be decimated in the next year.

I dunno, airlines are quite uniquely exposed to stuff like this.

They may lose more than 10% but they will be far from unique.

I think air travel will be worst hit of the major industries.

Open to suggestions for those who may do worse.

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

Time to realise that airline companies are just the flavour of the day.
Many other industries are going to be decimated in the next year.

I dunno, airlines are quite uniquely exposed to stuff like this.

They may lose more than 10% but they will be far from unique.

I think air travel will be worst hit of the major industries.

Open to suggestions for those who may do worse.

Cruise ships
Commercial (office) property
Barbers

Fair cop on cruise ships (though arguably its not ‘major’)

Commercial property outside of London no one is apparently worried about (from what I have heard from RE investors)

Barbers: was the first thing most men did as soon as they lifted lockdown so not convinced (but I’m a baldy so it’s been a long time since I’ve set foot in one)

I think commercial property defies logic and if the tvvats on councils get blocked from buying there could be a fallout.

I think there is an oversupply of barber shops and if 10% of their customers have discovered the joys of DIY then many will fail

The problem with commercial property, as companies I've worked for have found, is that there's loads of places with space for 100 plus employees and lots of generally run down conversions suitable for start ups and lower end offices but very little there for growing SMEs. We had an office that was suitable for 6 or so in comfort, had grown to around 15 so a few moved to another office 35 miles away but the original was still overcrowded. The only suitable spaces were in high end new builds where we would have been paying top rate for a load of facilities we wouldn't really use. In the end we got lucky and a building came up for sale that we took with space, supposedly, to sub-let or grow. That was back in December, despite the Covid crisis we are now approaching comfortable capacity already and are going to reopen the other office with a bigger space than we had previously.