Unpopular Opinions

Stevo_666

surrey_commuter said:

orraloon said:

The white stuff is the injected brine coming back out on cooking, the mark of low quality product.

And we get uppity about American chickens living in swimming pools

But the bacon is a low quality European product so it must be OK.

rick_chasey

surrey_commuter said:

orraloon said:

The white stuff is the injected brine coming back out on cooking, the mark of low quality product.

And we get uppity about American chickens living in swimming pools

Living in a pool of their own sh!t.

Carcasses being rinsed in a swimming pool.

bompington

TheBigBean said:

rick_chasey said:

If I was king for a day I’d ban all non-full fat milk except for medical reasons and subsidise Guernsey milk.

Dieticians arguing about fat is quite amusing. 40 years of definitive thought without much in the way of actual research supporting it.

Surely the problem is not the lack of evidence, but that you can easily find plenty of evidence to support your view, whatever your view is.

First.Aspect

bompington said:

TheBigBean said:

rick_chasey said:

If I was king for a day I’d ban all non-full fat milk except for medical reasons and subsidise Guernsey milk.

Dieticians arguing about fat is quite amusing. 40 years of definitive thought without much in the way of actual research supporting it.

Surely the problem is not the lack of evidence, but that you can easily find plenty of evidence to support your view, whatever your view is.

That's the same thing.

At least dieticians have the good grace not to call themselves "dietists" and pretend it's a science.

ugo.santalucia

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

orraloon said:

The white stuff is the injected brine coming back out on cooking, the mark of low quality product.

And we get uppity about American chickens living in swimming pools

But the bacon is a low quality European product so it must be OK.

No, it happens even on more premium UK bacon, like Denhay... more on the back than the streaky

kingstongraham

ugo.santalucia said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

orraloon said:

The white stuff is the injected brine coming back out on cooking, the mark of low quality product.

And we get uppity about American chickens living in swimming pools

But the bacon is a low quality European product so it must be OK.

No, it happens even on more premium UK bacon, like Denhay... more on the back than the streaky

Only on wet cured, not dry cured.Your "Wiltshire Cure" Denhay bacon in a green pack will have that, but I'm willing to bet the Denhay "Unsmoked/Smoked Back Bacon" (blue or maroon packs) won't.

Ben6899

We should stop eating meat, really.

rick_chasey

bompington said:

TheBigBean said:

rick_chasey said:

If I was king for a day I’d ban all non-full fat milk except for medical reasons and subsidise Guernsey milk.

Dieticians arguing about fat is quite amusing. 40 years of definitive thought without much in the way of actual research supporting it.

Surely the problem is not the lack of evidence, but that you can easily find plenty of evidence to support your view, whatever your view is.

It's not a diet thing. It's a taste thing.

ugo.santalucia

kingstongraham said:

ugo.santalucia said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

orraloon said:

The white stuff is the injected brine coming back out on cooking, the mark of low quality product.

And we get uppity about American chickens living in swimming pools

But the bacon is a low quality European product so it must be OK.

No, it happens even on more premium UK bacon, like Denhay... more on the back than the streaky

Only on wet cured, not dry cured.Your "Wiltshire Cure" Denhay bacon in a green pack will have that, but I'm willing to bet the Denhay "Unsmoked/Smoked Back Bacon" (blue or maroon packs) won't.

Ah... you are right you are... I bought the green pack once and was disappointed because of that... thatnks for clarifying!

ugo.santalucia

Ben6899 said:

We should stop eating meat, really.

We should...
but if we could go from consuming 70kg per person per year to say 10kg, which means a good portion once a week, that would probably be sustainable

Stevo_666

Ben6899 said:

We should stop eating meat, really.

Now if you said that we should stop eating bacon, then you'd have a really unpopular opinion.

TheBigBean

bompington said:

TheBigBean said:

rick_chasey said:

If I was king for a day I’d ban all non-full fat milk except for medical reasons and subsidise Guernsey milk.

Dieticians arguing about fat is quite amusing. 40 years of definitive thought without much in the way of actual research supporting it.

Surely the problem is not the lack of evidence, but that you can easily find plenty of evidence to support your view, whatever your view is.

It's mostly lack of evidence. There was an excellent article in the Guardian about this a few years ago. In the [70s] someone did some research which demonstrated that countries with a high fat diet had high levels of heart disease. It was also discovered that people dying of heart disease had really fatty arteries. All this gave rise to the public information campaigns that fat is bad for you, so skimmed milk etc. were promoted.

However, it turns out that the initial research intentionally excluded France which has a high fat diet, but much lower incidence of heart disease, and that the initial research was pretty poor all things considered.

Many dieticians having spent decades building theories on the basis that fat is bad, weren't so keen to accept this, but have been unable to provide any proof to support their theories.

There is evidence that since fat consumption declined, consumption of carbs has increased. There is also a school of thought that fat is more satiating and hence people are less likely to get fat eating fat.

So the jury is out, and all the public information has now pivoted towards sugar being bad, because "empty calories" etc.

Ben6899

Stevo_666 said:

Ben6899 said:

We should stop eating meat, really.

Now if you said that we should stop eating bacon, then you'd have a really unpopular opinion.

It's a catchall statement, @Stevo_666 , it includes bacon. It's a genuine opinion of mine and here seems like a good place to share it.

rick_chasey

ugo.santalucia said:

Ben6899 said:

We should stop eating meat, really.

We should...
but if we could go from consuming 70kg per person per year to say 10kg, which means a good portion once a week, that would probably be sustainable

I think just less meat in people's diet would be preferable.

You're not gonna win the world over preaching vegetarianism, but most people in the West eat far too much meat and as a result often neglect the rest of the food spectrum, just from a health perspective.

But if you preach less meat, it's easier to get them onto eating more healthily, and then you get the added benefit of a reduction in meat consumption.

I would say I'm very keen on meat but then I look at what weight I'm eating a day vs others and i'm shocked at how much people eat.

Then again, that's probably why i'm a BMI of 19.5

ugo.santalucia

rick_chasey said:

ugo.santalucia said:

Ben6899 said:

We should stop eating meat, really.

We should...
but if we could go from consuming 70kg per person per year to say 10kg, which means a good portion once a week, that would probably be sustainable

I think just less meat in people's diet would be preferable.

You're not gonna win the world over preaching vegetarianism, but most people in the West eat far too much meat and as a result often neglect the rest of the food spectrum, just from a health perspective.

But if you preach less meat, it's easier to get them onto eating more healthily, and then you get the added benefit of a reduction in meat consumption.

I would say I'm very keen on meat but then I look at what weight I'm eating a day vs others and i'm shocked at how much people eat.

Then again, that's probably why i'm a BMI of 19.5

Yeah... it's just a question of whether to educate to a more plant based diet or whether to impose "meat quotas" on production and imports... maybe a combination of the two

TheBigBean

rick_chasey said:

ugo.santalucia said:

Ben6899 said:

We should stop eating meat, really.

We should...
but if we could go from consuming 70kg per person per year to say 10kg, which means a good portion once a week, that would probably be sustainable

I think just less meat in people's diet would be preferable.

You're not gonna win the world over preaching vegetarianism, but most people in the West eat far too much meat and as a result often neglect the rest of the food spectrum, just from a health perspective.

But if you preach less meat, it's easier to get them onto eating more healthily, and then you get the added benefit of a reduction in meat consumption.

I would say I'm very keen on meat but then I look at what weight I'm eating a day vs others and i'm shocked at how much people eat.

Then again, that's probably why i'm a BMI of 19.5

Meat doesn't lead to fatness.

rick_chasey

TheBigBean said:

rick_chasey said:

ugo.santalucia said:

Ben6899 said:

We should stop eating meat, really.

We should...
but if we could go from consuming 70kg per person per year to say 10kg, which means a good portion once a week, that would probably be sustainable

I think just less meat in people's diet would be preferable.

You're not gonna win the world over preaching vegetarianism, but most people in the West eat far too much meat and as a result often neglect the rest of the food spectrum, just from a health perspective.

But if you preach less meat, it's easier to get them onto eating more healthily, and then you get the added benefit of a reduction in meat consumption.

I would say I'm very keen on meat but then I look at what weight I'm eating a day vs others and i'm shocked at how much people eat.

Then again, that's probably why i'm a BMI of 19.5

Meat doesn't lead to fatness.

Portion sizes do.

coopster_the_1st

It's becoming very obvious that this thread name is wrong.

It should be renamed stupid opinions or wacky warehouse.

kingstongraham

coopster_the_1st said:

It's becoming very obvious that this thread name is wrong.

It should be renamed stupid opinions or wacky warehouse.

You mean you don't like the opinions expressed? What is a word for opinions that are not well liked 🤔

ugo.santalucia

coopster_the_1st said:

It should be renamed stupid opinions or wacky warehouse.

Is that why you have decided to join it?

coopster_the_1st

ugo.santalucia said:

coopster_the_1st said:

It should be renamed stupid opinions or wacky warehouse.

Is that why you have decided to join it?

You and Rick are just proving my earlier point on this thread that we have ended up with a couple of low grade imports.

coopster_the_1st

kingstongraham said:

coopster_the_1st said:

It's becoming very obvious that this thread name is wrong.

It should be renamed stupid opinions or wacky warehouse.

You mean you don't like the opinions expressed? What is a word for opinions that are not well liked 🤔

There is unpopular and then there is moving into the space that David Icke lives in

At least this thread allows identification of those who are bat-sh!t crazy.

First.Aspect

Moving on...

… Bradley Wiggins loves the sound of his own voice and makes a crappy podcast with his chums.

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

ugo.santalucia said:

Ben6899 said:

We should stop eating meat, really.

We should...
but if we could go from consuming 70kg per person per year to say 10kg, which means a good portion once a week, that would probably be sustainable

I think just less meat in people's diet would be preferable.

You're not gonna win the world over preaching vegetarianism, but most people in the West eat far too much meat and as a result often neglect the rest of the food spectrum, just from a health perspective.

But if you preach less meat, it's easier to get them onto eating more healthily, and then you get the added benefit of a reduction in meat consumption.

I would say I'm very keen on meat but then I look at what weight I'm eating a day vs others and i'm shocked at how much people eat.

Then again, that's probably why i'm a BMI of 19.5

People doing subtle fat shaming.

Only kidding. 😉

rick_chasey

Yeah if it's fat shaming it's not meant to be.

But let's be clear, being overweight is bad for your health on so many levels.

I wouldn't say 'be ashamed of your weight' because that doesn't help, but I would say 'work on ways that help you achieve a healthier weight'.

ballysmate

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

ugo.santalucia said:

Ben6899 said:

We should stop eating meat, really.

We should...
but if we could go from consuming 70kg per person per year to say 10kg, which means a good portion once a week, that would probably be sustainable

I think just less meat in people's diet would be preferable.

You're not gonna win the world over preaching vegetarianism, but most people in the West eat far too much meat and as a result often neglect the rest of the food spectrum, just from a health perspective.

But if you preach less meat, it's easier to get them onto eating more healthily, and then you get the added benefit of a reduction in meat consumption.

I would say I'm very keen on meat but then I look at what weight I'm eating a day vs others and i'm shocked at how much people eat.

Then again, that's probably why i'm a BMI of 19.5

People doing subtle fat shaming.

Only kidding. 😉

Sounds like he could do with a pie and chips.

veronese68

coopster_the_1st said:

kingstongraham said:

coopster_the_1st said:

It's becoming very obvious that this thread name is wrong.

It should be renamed stupid opinions or wacky warehouse.

You mean you don't like the opinions expressed? What is a word for opinions that are not well liked 🤔

There is unpopular and then there is moving into the space that David Icke lives in

At least this thread allows identification of those who are bat-sh!t crazy.

You shold fit right in then

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

Yeah if it's fat shaming it's not meant to be.

But let's be clear, being overweight is bad for your health on so many levels.

I wouldn't say 'be ashamed of your weight' because that doesn't help, but I would say 'work on ways that help you achieve a healthier weight'.

You didn't check the spoiler the end of my post, did you?

rick_chasey

Yeah I did but this is a cycling forum so I assume everyone is a fat shamer.

Stevo_666

Ben6899 said:

Stevo_666 said:

Ben6899 said:

We should stop eating meat, really.

Now if you said that we should stop eating bacon, then you'd have a really unpopular opinion.

It's a catchall statement, @Stevo_666 , it includes bacon. It's a genuine opinion of mine and here seems like a good place to share it.

I know but bacon is the best type of meat. I mean, if you wanted to convert a vegetarian back to being an omnivore that's very probably what you'd use to do it.