2021 Transfer rumours and facts
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Seems very unusual for ineos to make that sort of hire, unless Pinarello are paying him.0
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That would be really weird - unless he wants to become a DS?shirley_basso said:Seems very unusual for ineos to make that sort of hire, unless Pinarello are paying him.
He'll be 37 by then - maybe ride a year with the team, and then look to move into a DS role.
As an aside, not that it has been confirmed yet, but surprised to see Moscon believes he is staying put for another year.Felt F70 05 (Turbo)
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He'll be 37 by the start of the 2022 season. If he's motivated he can do doubt be useful still, but can't see him playing Domestique or having enough against the young guns to lead a GC push. Not likely to be sharp enough to challenge in the big 1 dayers either.0
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https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/rapha-says-chloe-dygerts-apology-was-insufficient-after-controversial-social-media-behaviour-483740rick_chasey said:
I assume this: https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chloe-dygert-apologises-for-social-media-conduct/shirley_basso said:Sorry what?
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shirley_basso said:
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/rapha-says-chloe-dygerts-apology-was-insufficient-after-controversial-social-media-behaviour-483740rick_chasey said:
I assume this: https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chloe-dygert-apologises-for-social-media-conduct/shirley_basso said:Sorry what?
Heavier telling off by Rapha
Regardless of what Dygert may have liked on twitter (which included tweets from her democratically elected President), I don't think that a company publicly pilling onto a 23 year old woman is the moral and enlightened move that Rapha think it is.Twitter: @RichN953 -
Weren't some likes of anti-BLM or pro-white supremacy tweets, and things of a similar ilk? I think it was more than just supporting Trump.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0
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Yes, apparently. Quite unsavoury, although she just "liked" them, didn't say them herself.salsiccia1 said:Weren't some likes of anti-BLM or pro-white supremacy tweets, and things of a similar ilk? I think it was more than just supporting Trump.
Still should have known better.1 -
You can read them here.bobmcstuff said:
Yes, apparently. Quite unsavoury, although she just "liked" them, didn't say them herself.salsiccia1 said:Weren't some likes of anti-BLM or pro-white supremacy tweets, and things of a similar ilk? I think it was more than just supporting Trump.
Still should have known better.
https://www.velonews.com/news/road/rapha-slams-chloe-dygert-over-social-media-conduct-an-apology-she-issued-was-not-sufficient/
To be honest, I think Rapha's reaction is absolutely ridiculous.
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.3 -
If rapha was a person it would be an over opinionated know it all dick.iainf72 said:
You can read them here.bobmcstuff said:
Yes, apparently. Quite unsavoury, although she just "liked" them, didn't say them herself.salsiccia1 said:Weren't some likes of anti-BLM or pro-white supremacy tweets, and things of a similar ilk? I think it was more than just supporting Trump.
Still should have known better.
https://www.velonews.com/news/road/rapha-slams-chloe-dygert-over-social-media-conduct-an-apology-she-issued-was-not-sufficient/
To be honest, I think Rapha's reaction is absolutely ridiculous."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago1 -
Rapha’s statement is corporate onanism. If they felt the need to say something them something along the lines of “We need to do more and will give details later” would have been sufficient. Instead they chose to further traduce Dygert and then wallow in their righteousness. Still I guess Rapha will be counting the clicks and and money without too much concern.1
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"Finally, we would like to reiterate our stance on this issue once more. Discrimination has no place in cycling or society, and we are committed to fighting it in all of its forms by promoting diversity, inclusion and equality in the sport."iainf72 said:
You can read them here.bobmcstuff said:
Yes, apparently. Quite unsavoury, although she just "liked" them, didn't say them herself.salsiccia1 said:Weren't some likes of anti-BLM or pro-white supremacy tweets, and things of a similar ilk? I think it was more than just supporting Trump.
Still should have known better.
https://www.velonews.com/news/road/rapha-slams-chloe-dygert-over-social-media-conduct-an-apology-she-issued-was-not-sufficient/
To be honest, I think Rapha's reaction is absolutely ridiculous.
That's why we use choose to manufacture our clothing in the liberal society of China.
A cynical bit of marketing placement and free publicity thereof."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.2 -
Did she 'like' various posts before or after signing for Canyon-Sram, and does her contract start Jan 1st or straight away?
I'm not condoning her actions, but if it was before she signed for her new team, then it's really none of Rapha's business to take action. Maybe a quiet word when appropriate would be more helpful.All Road/ Gravel: tbcWinter: tbcMTB: tbcRoad: tbc"Look at the time...." "he's fallen like an old lady on a cruise ship..."0 -
Before I think.andyrac said:Did she 'like' various posts before or after signing for Canyon-Sram, and does her contract start Jan 1st or straight away?
I'm not condoning her actions, but if it was before she signed for her new team, then it's really none of Rapha's business to take action. Maybe a quiet word when appropriate would be more helpful.
Maybe I'm getting old but I honestly struggle to see why they're making such a fuss about it. Unless there was stuff I didn't see she appeared to like posts by right wing people with fairly big followings in the US. Including a POC.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
It's absolutely over the top from Rapha. She's apologised, the team have made their statement and everyone moves on. Except Rapha.
I usually can't stand the phrase 'virtue-signalling' as it's almost always used by bigots to dismiss genuine concerns but I can't think of a better phrase in this instance. I btoadly agree with Rapha's stated sentiments but there's no need for the sanctimony.
Still, they've got £450 recycled jackets to sell to the gullible, so they've got to do what they've got to do, I supposeIt's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
I suspect it reflects their perception of their target audience.gsk82 said:
If rapha was a person it would be an over opinionated know it all censored .iainf72 said:
You can read them here.bobmcstuff said:
Yes, apparently. Quite unsavoury, although she just "liked" them, didn't say them herself.salsiccia1 said:Weren't some likes of anti-BLM or pro-white supremacy tweets, and things of a similar ilk? I think it was more than just supporting Trump.
Still should have known better.
https://www.velonews.com/news/road/rapha-slams-chloe-dygert-over-social-media-conduct-an-apology-she-issued-was-not-sufficient/
To be honest, I think Rapha's reaction is absolutely ridiculous.0 -
If you read the original CW post previously linked, many posters were baying for bloody, so to speak, so perhaps it does work for them.
I get that everyone is entitled to their own opinions and we don't want a load of robots as athletes, BUT as a an athlete in a marginalised sport which is just getting mainstream exposure you might think she'd be a bit more sympathetic to people on similar situations.
My personal view is her apology wasnt really one at all. The bare minimum like a sulky teenager.
As to whether rapha needed to publicly admonish her like this? Doesn't seem so bad to me, but I'm likely missing something.1 -
She's just another ignorant young American, like Quinn Symonds."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0
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I think you're on the right track but you have to flip it on its head a bit. As I understand it, she's from a fairly conservative evangelical type family. So she would've believed fully success is about the choices you make and how hard you work. If she's successful, that's what she would believe it's down to. If she thinks that's just how it is, then she's not going to think she needs to be sympathetic to people in similar situations, because hard work and the right choices will get you there.shirley_basso said:
I get that everyone is entitled to their own opinions and we don't want a load of robots as athletes, BUT as a an athlete in a marginalised sport which is just getting mainstream exposure you might think she'd be a bit more sympathetic to people on similar situations.
My personal view is her apology wasnt really one at all. The bare minimum like a sulky teenager.
Is that true? No. Certainly, they're factors but there are a lot of other influences.
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.1 -
Total hypocrisy by SRAM and Rapha. If they don't like Dygert's values fine, don't hire her but they both deal with China, a country that has locked up 1 million muslims, so they obviously don't care much about minority rights.
Imagine paying 450 quid for a Rapha jacket made in a Chinese sweat shop. It should be more like 45 quid, Walmart prices.
For my part I'm reasonably happy to deal directly with Chinese suppliers but I'm not shouting from the rooftops about my wokeness.
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I was going to post a link to this too. Echoes my own take on the matter.0 -
Sorry? I don’t quite understand this. You’re happy to slag off Rapha and SRAM as not caring about minority rights, then you’re happy to deal with the same Chinese suppliers? Keeping quiet doesn’t make you any less hypocritical, just less publicly so.davidof said:Total hypocrisy by SRAM and Rapha. If they don't like Dygert's values fine, don't hire her but they both deal with China, a country that has locked up 1 million muslims, so they obviously don't care much about minority rights.
Imagine paying 450 quid for a Rapha jacket made in a Chinese sweat shop. It should be more like 45 quid, Walmart prices.
For my part I'm reasonably happy to deal directly with Chinese suppliers but I'm not shouting from the rooftops about my wokeness.
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Not sure why you find his post so difficult to understand.Wheelspinner said:
Sorry? I don’t quite understand this. You’re happy to slag off Rapha and SRAM as not caring about minority rights, then you’re happy to deal with the same Chinese suppliers? Keeping quiet doesn’t make you any less hypocritical, just less publicly so.davidof said:Total hypocrisy by SRAM and Rapha. If they don't like Dygert's values fine, don't hire her but they both deal with China, a country that has locked up 1 million muslims, so they obviously don't care much about minority rights.
Imagine paying 450 quid for a Rapha jacket made in a Chinese sweat shop. It should be more like 45 quid, Walmart prices.
For my part I'm reasonably happy to deal directly with Chinese suppliers but I'm not shouting from the rooftops about my wokeness."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
The “I’m not hypocritical I’m happy to deal with despots” isn’t the glorious position you think it is.blazing_saddles said:
Not sure why you find his post so difficult to understand.Wheelspinner said:
Sorry? I don’t quite understand this. You’re happy to slag off Rapha and SRAM as not caring about minority rights, then you’re happy to deal with the same Chinese suppliers? Keeping quiet doesn’t make you any less hypocritical, just less publicly so.davidof said:Total hypocrisy by SRAM and Rapha. If they don't like Dygert's values fine, don't hire her but they both deal with China, a country that has locked up 1 million muslims, so they obviously don't care much about minority rights.
Imagine paying 450 quid for a Rapha jacket made in a Chinese sweat shop. It should be more like 45 quid, Walmart prices.
For my part I'm reasonably happy to deal directly with Chinese suppliers but I'm not shouting from the rooftops about my wokeness.
I have not followed this but if rapha is all about pushing a particular view point why hire her?2 -
He's criticising the hypocrisy of Rapha and Sram in forcing extra apologies from Dygert whilst they are happy to deal with China.Wheelspinner said:
Sorry? I don’t quite understand this. You’re happy to slag off Rapha and SRAM as not caring about minority rights, then you’re happy to deal with the same Chinese suppliers? Keeping quiet doesn’t make you any less hypocritical, just less publicly so.davidof said:Total hypocrisy by SRAM and Rapha. If they don't like Dygert's values fine, don't hire her but they both deal with China, a country that has locked up 1 million muslims, so they obviously don't care much about minority rights.
Imagine paying 450 quid for a Rapha jacket made in a Chinese sweat shop. It should be more like 45 quid, Walmart prices.
For my part I'm reasonably happy to deal directly with Chinese suppliers but I'm not shouting from the rooftops about my wokeness.
What's hard to understand.
What the poster chooses to do himself has nothing to do with the hypocrisy of the two companies.
Is it really that hard?0 -
Rapha have chosen to grab this opportunity to display their righteousness. The impact that this may have on Dygert’s wellbeing appears to be of no concern to Rapha. She appears to be expendable in Rapha’s PR campaign. I guess few people rejoice in supporting the Chinese treatment of their minorities but have little alternative when sourcing bike parts.
Rapha do have a choice - there are plenty of other countries involved in clothing manufacturing - yet they choose one of the worst.
Rapha are not only hypocritical, they are also contemptible0 -
I actually deal very little with China but have bought a couple of things directly from manufacturers there. All my cycle clothing is made in Italy. Bike has campag or Italian gear apart from the frame, which came from China, but what doesn't in low-end Carbon?Dorset_Boy said:
What the poster chooses to do himself has nothing to do with the hypocrisy of the two companies.
As the same time, while not being aligned with Dygert's beliefs I'm not giving her money then asking her to grovel. It is corporate bullying by SRAM and Rapha, they have the power in this relationship. It is obscene really. She should leave SRAM and go where she'll be respected a bit more.
Rapha's prices would let them manufacturer almost anywhere but they put profit first. I wonder if their outburst is in fact linked to pressure from the Chinese Communist Party given the bust up with Trump. Whatever, they are lickspittles.
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