Big Trouble with not so Little China..ππ°π / π¨π³π‘
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Whilst it works, it has limitations.rick_chasey said:^ not a believer in MAD?
Essentially, China can expand as much as it likes providing it doesnβt step too much on the toes of nuclear powers.
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Iβm sure many are sceptical but in the absence of a free press...john80 said:
The worry for me this time round is that the US has met arguably an even match. Sure USA has more tech but China has a more compliant population in large numbers with a serious economy behind them. If the people believe that covid does not come from Wuhan it seems to me that it would be pretty easy to make them believe anything.morstar said:
They have claimed pretty much the entire South China Sea.surrey_commuter said:
Is there any reason to think that they are looking to project military power outside of their immediate area?elbowloh said:
I wouldn't have thought their military budget would need to exceed the US's to overtake them militarily as their costs (men and material) would be significantly lower per head/piece of equipment?focuszing723 said:It's only going to get tougher when China's economy and as a consequence it's military budget in five years (as predicted, probably less now) surpasses the United States.
The US has more aircraft carriers than the rest of the world put together
They are definitely projecting power. That the US has done so for years doesnβt make it any less of a problem. Just makes us a bit hypocritical to be worried about it.
The last 5 years have shown how effective misinformation can be in democracies without state controlled press.0 -
yep, even without state control, murdoch, rothermere, the barclays et alie easily got 52% to swallow the liesmorstar said:
Iβm sure many are sceptical but in the absence of a free press...john80 said:
The worry for me this time round is that the US has met arguably an even match. Sure USA has more tech but China has a more compliant population in large numbers with a serious economy behind them. If the people believe that covid does not come from Wuhan it seems to me that it would be pretty easy to make them believe anything.morstar said:
They have claimed pretty much the entire South China Sea.surrey_commuter said:
Is there any reason to think that they are looking to project military power outside of their immediate area?elbowloh said:
I wouldn't have thought their military budget would need to exceed the US's to overtake them militarily as their costs (men and material) would be significantly lower per head/piece of equipment?focuszing723 said:It's only going to get tougher when China's economy and as a consequence it's military budget in five years (as predicted, probably less now) surpasses the United States.
The US has more aircraft carriers than the rest of the world put together
They are definitely projecting power. That the US has done so for years doesnβt make it any less of a problem. Just makes us a bit hypocritical to be worried about it.
The last 5 years have shown how effective misinformation can be in democracies without state controlled press.
china has effectively shut down anything outside the party line, putin, orban, erdoΔan etc. trying hard to do the same, plenty of other states well down that path, the anti-bbc zealots in the uk are following the same fascist scriptmy bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Currently has beef with India fwiwmorstar said:
Whilst it works, it has limitations.rick_chasey said:^ not a believer in MAD?
Essentially, China can expand as much as it likes providing it doesnβt step too much on the toes of nuclear powers.0 -
That's not really new though. It's the reason there isn't much in the way of border crossings. A few more skirmishes recently.rick_chasey said:
Currently has beef with India fwiwmorstar said:
Whilst it works, it has limitations.rick_chasey said:^ not a believer in MAD?
Essentially, China can expand as much as it likes providing it doesnβt step too much on the toes of nuclear powers.0 -
Thought it might be a good moment to resurrect this thread.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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Back to normal isn't it.focuszing723 said:
You say it as if you know it will happen, where is your evidence to support this theory? What counts is what turns up on container-ships and planes, that's the fact of the situation.rick_chasey said:
This will change, quite rapidly, especially after corona.focuszing723 said:I think the more salient point is how do you project authority on a Country with the second largest economy and military budget, one which produces the products we all rely on and are using right now?
The world was heading in this direction anyway, but a focus on resilience will be a priority.0 -
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No, in terms of the West still buying their productive swaggery.rick_chasey said:Not in China it isn't. They're in the how many'th lockdown now?
The shipping container costs (as one example) is an interesting one too in terms of inflation. Some companies have really been taking the mick. We're all in it "WHO" together is laughable in many respects.0 -
Maybe the title should be 'Big trouble in not so little China'.
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/28/may-turning-point-chinas-history-west-must-not-miss/
Let's hope this the start of something."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I admire your optimism but a feature of authoritarian regimes is that this stuff boils up every now and then, and then they crack down on this stuff really hard way way.
Absolutely no chance of these protests doing much other than getting quite a few people chucked in prison and or hurt.
Chinese state does a lot of polling and focus groups all the time (how else are they gonna know what's popular and what isn't?) so they'll know this stuff is deeply unpopular already, but clearly they don't care enough to change.
What I don't quite understand is why the state is willing to beat people up, arrest people indiscriminately, but then the idea of compulsory vaccines is too much to bare.0 -
I don't think they have any vaccines that will do the job, and aren't willing to import them.0
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Not sure what the likelihood is, but you can still hope even if it is low.rick_chasey said:I admire your optimism but a feature of authoritarian regimes is that this stuff boils up every now and then, and then they crack down on this stuff really hard way way.
Absolutely no chance of these protests doing much other than getting quite a few people chucked in prison and or hurt.
Chinese state does a lot of polling and focus groups all the time (how else are they gonna know what's popular and what isn't?) so they'll know this stuff is deeply unpopular already, but clearly they don't care enough to change.
What I don't quite understand is why the state is willing to beat people up, arrest people indiscriminately, but then the idea of compulsory vaccines is too much to bare.
One thing is clear - this is unprecedented. We haven't seen protests of this type (directly criticising the deal leader & the party), asking for democracy etc and on this scale before in china. Given that the locals know what the potential consequences are, they must be really aggrieved to do what they are doing.
Also as KG refers, the govt seems to have no good way out. They can't/won't go down the vaccination route (as that implies relaxing restrictions and living with the virus which Xi appears to be dead set against). If they relax restrictions with a relatively low vaccination rate (especially amongst the elderly/vulnerable), the body count with their population size will be substantial. The only way seems to be to press on with draconian lock downs which will just make things worse.
The genie may be coming out of the bottle, let's see."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Cases are at record highs, so they may not get much choice in the end.0
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Sounds like their lockdowns are working too well either.TheBigBean said:Cases are at record highs, so they may not get much choice in the end.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Shipping container costs are now at pre-pandemic levels again fortunately.focuszing723 said:
No, in terms of the West still buying their productive swaggery.rick_chasey said:Not in China it isn't. They're in the how many'th lockdown now?
The shipping container costs (as one example) is an interesting one too in terms of inflation. Some companies have really been taking the mick. We're all in it "WHO" together is laughable in many respects.0
