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  • webboowebboo Posts: 3,600
    I am sorry I have offended you, that was not my intent. I was offering what I thought was constructive criticism and a reality check.
    Clearly I have got this wrong. Apologies.
  • crossedcrossed Posts: 236

    Fwiw I'm with Ugo on this - you have to enjoy the training otherwise why are you doing it.

    Yes there's an element of deferred gratification - you enjoy being fast - but to get better you have to actually train and if you just aren't enjoying it you'll stop.

    Anyway I don't think Ugo is giving it the big I am so why the hostility - I mean where are some of you racing at the moment - I'll come and watch if you are that good.

    Couldn't agree more with this.
    There's some people on here who seem to have very high opinions of themselves, it's not exactly a busy forum at the best of times but I'm sure their ****ishness does nothing to encourage people to contribute.
  • legendary_27legendary_27 Posts: 10
    Things certainly degenerated quite quickly into a bit of a childish point scoring exercise - which after years of lurking/rarely contributing, is not uncommon on here. To be honest, I thought that the advice being given was initially very reasonable, as was Ugo's decision not to take it. I don't think any (or many) of us are pros, so anything we do is being done for enjoyment.

    For those offering advice, bear in mind that even if the person who is offered it chooses not to follow it, there are still lots of people reading posts here who can make use of it. Kind of the point of the forum, I guess.

    On a positive note: Ugo, I have very much enjoyed following this thread. Whilst I probably fall into the category of someone who would choose to follow different training methods, following your progress has been both interesting and enjoyable. As someone whose racing is likely to be vicarious only going forward - too many other things to do - I appreciate you posting updates. Feel free to follow your own plan, as is your prerogative. That said, I reckon you could top ten with a turbo trainer and some interval training ! ;)
  • bobmcstuffbobmcstuff Posts: 10,009
    edited 3 June

    Can't really disagree with Ugo.

    Just because his training isn't as dedicated and intense as it could be, doesn't mean he can't enjoy the successes, however small, they bring.

    After all, it's just a bit of fun, just like baiting strangers on the internet, I suppose.

    The bit I disagree with Ugo on is him basically dismissing anyone who does any kind of structured training plan or uses a turbo trainer... which is not really supported by anything other than his own bias.

    His own training seems perfectly sensible to me and I have commented as such several times - he is definitely getting decent numbers out of it anyway.

    As above I didn't really mean to cause offence, although at the time I made the last post I was a bit cross with Ugo for his continual negativity towards any kind of training he doesn't agree with.
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 26,350

    As above I didn't really mean to cause offence, although at the time I made the last post I was a bit cross with Ugo for his continual negativity towards any kind of training he doesn't agree with.

    Ugo opens a thread to share his journey into hill climbing and updates it regularly before and after races.
    Ugo is offered training advice he didn't really ask for at any point and politely declines, suggesting that it's not for him.
    A couple of users pick on him, because he doesn't want to follow the advice he is given (and didn't ask for)... such users become more aggressive and repeatedly contravene rule no. 9 of this very forum (I think it's 9...). That's it, in a nutshell.

    It's not about whether you agree with me or not, or whether I am stubborn in my ways, that is irrelevant... it's the fact that an innocent thread about hill climbing has to degenerate to this extent.

    There is an apology above, which was nice to read, but ultimately why do I have to waste my time writing on this thread to then be abused? It's not that I have a financial interest in doing so.
    If people have some repressed anger, why not directing it towards the many snake oil salesmen on the web, rather than towards the OP of a very innocent thread about a sport where nobody makes any profit at any level?
  • bobmcstuffbobmcstuff Posts: 10,009
    Well, if you don't want unsolicited advice, don't post on a public forum I guess - unfortunately it's inevitable.

    I personally quite liked reading about your progress and so on.
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 26,350
    Some time ago, on this thread, it was argued that in the days anyone could do a 22' on a road bike with no aero bits... this might have been the case... however, here is the result of a very recent Open race for road bikes only... they are allowed deep aero wheels, aero frames and skinsuits... and it's considered a fast course, it's all double carriage with no hills... admittedly low turnout, but much higher quality than you would find in a club event
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