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Totally agree. Not suggesting you shiver your way through the first half of a race. I meant for days when you could manage with just a tight jersey (+baselayer?) and armwarmers.ugo.santalucia said:Yeah, but it's been very cold of late... I'd rather sacrifice 5 seconds to avoid freezing to death waiting for my start.
You may find a s/h skinsuit at a reasonable price, though probably not one with a pocket. It would save more time than most other things you could buy but in the end this is a leisure pursuit, not a career.Aspire not to have more, but to be more.1 -
Not a race winning mentality.simon_e said:
Totally agree. Not suggesting you shiver your way through the first half of a race. I meant for days when you could manage with just a tight jersey (+baselayer?) and armwarmers.ugo.santalucia said:Yeah, but it's been very cold of late... I'd rather sacrifice 5 seconds to avoid freezing to death waiting for my start.
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Ha ha, love it! Where's the the "piss myself laughing" emoji?shirley_basso said:Not a race winning mentality.
He is riding a standard road bike wearing a jacket. I suspect he's not taking himself that seriously.
And he probably doesn't want to throw ca. £5,000 at a bike, wheels, tyres, clothing and coaching just to get his name a few places further up the result sheet.Aspire not to have more, but to be more.0 -
he also doesn't have to spend anything like that at all to get further into the sport if he spends wisely.simon_e said:
Ha ha, love it! Where's the the "piss myself laughing" emoji?shirley_basso said:Not a race winning mentality.
He is riding a standard road bike wearing a jacket. I suspect he's not taking himself that seriously.
And he probably doesn't want to throw ca. £5,000 at a bike, wheels, tyres, clothing and coaching just to get his name a few places further up the result sheet.
chuck 500 notes at it is all he needs..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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On the bolded bits, it can be the case that being on the hoods with flat forearms is slightly faster than being on the drops, because it takes your forearms out of the wind - Same idea as the forearms on the tops but a wider stance and still legal. It's a difficult position to hold though, your triceps will be making themselves known until you get used to it.ugo.santalucia said:Well...
The K11/10 course turned up to be slightly less fast that I thought, the way back from the A45/A445 roundabout has quite a hill. Nonetheless, I clocked my first 24, a long 24, should be 24:47 at 24.5 mph (Strava time is wrong, as I started the computer about a minute before I set off and clearly I was already on the segment). It took a whopping 261 Watt to get there. I reckon on a flatter course I should be able to do a long 23... just need to find that course... ha ha
It was a bit warmer today, so no jacket and to please Shirley Basso, I think all photos should see me on the drops...
Simon is right, I don't really want to spend a penny to be more aero, it's just not worth it, as I will never qualify for a National championship in time trialling, so why bother? Different story in Hill Climbing, where I can do better and I am happy to spend moderate cash to lighten up things.
Besides, I think I have a long way to go improving my time trialling position on a road bike.
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It was a joke.simon_e said:
Ha ha, love it! Where's the the "piss myself laughing" emoji?shirley_basso said:Not a race winning mentality.
He is riding a standard road bike wearing a jacket. I suspect he's not taking himself that seriously.
And he probably doesn't want to throw ca. £5,000 at a bike, wheels, tyres, clothing and coaching just to get his name a few places further up the result sheet.
Although I do appreciate I have often not got jokes on here!1 -
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i reckon it would be mega if someone came up with an equation to be able to measure Alf Enger's stats and times against modern day cyclerists.ugo.santalucia said:
Yeahbbut, what would Alf Engers say?whyamihere said:
On the bolded bits, it can be the case that being on the hoods with flat forearms is slightly faster than being on the drops, because it takes your forearms out of the wind - Same idea as the forearms on the tops but a wider stance and still legal. It's a difficult position to hold though, your triceps will be making themselves known until you get used to it.ugo.santalucia said:Well...
The K11/10 course turned up to be slightly less fast that I thought, the way back from the A45/A445 roundabout has quite a hill. Nonetheless, I clocked my first 24, a long 24, should be 24:47 at 24.5 mph (Strava time is wrong, as I started the computer about a minute before I set off and clearly I was already on the segment). It took a whopping 261 Watt to get there. I reckon on a flatter course I should be able to do a long 23... just need to find that course... ha ha
It was a bit warmer today, so no jacket and to please Shirley Basso, I think all photos should see me on the drops...
Simon is right, I don't really want to spend a penny to be more aero, it's just not worth it, as I will never qualify for a National championship in time trialling, so why bother? Different story in Hill Climbing, where I can do better and I am happy to spend moderate cash to lighten up things.
Besides, I think I have a long way to go improving my time trialling position on a road bike.
https://www.strava.com/activities/5228483922/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/62383532/0000___Alf_Engers___Paul_Jones.0.jpg)
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Do you he would have gone faster if he had slammed that stem.
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Don't the 1-3 full on efforts count as intervals? Actually sounds fairly structured to me - mix of 20ish min threshold intervals and shorter VO2 intervals. I guess unstructured in that they aren't part of a wider plan etc.ugo.santalucia said:A diet of unstructured non-interval type of riding seems to be working. I'm doing a mix of 10 mile TT racing and training sessions consisting of reasonably paced rides with 1-3 full on efforts of 1-2 minutes (400-500 Watt).
At the moment, all numbers are up from last year, including the coveted 20 minute thing.
I just need a few races to build up my qualifying portfolio. I have entered a race in the Peak District at the end of June... should be a sub 3 minute hill, on a good day. I really need a good result!
Beating Simon Warren would be even better, but I suspect that won't happen...0 -
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difference between brute strength and ignorance and developments.
they also used to take cocktails of brandy and amphetamines, so lets not say anything.
Slammed stems have been scientifically proven. FACT.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Should you not be trying to get over 500 watts for a shorter than race distance and repeat that so many times in training. I always thought that you needed to include shorter faster intervals in your training so you can actually ride at speed you want to in your race.ugo.santalucia said:
You could see it like that, but it's a far cry from the hill reps or series of intervals... I just don't see the point in doing many sub-standard efforts... I'd rather do one and for all, like it was a race... I think it's a more effective way to boost that zone 7. I just fail to see how I can get to 500 Watt in a race if I do hill reps at 320.bobmcstuff said:
Don't the 1-3 full on efforts count as intervals? Actually sounds fairly structured to me - mix of 20ish min threshold intervals and shorter VO2 intervals. I guess unstructured in that they aren't part of a wider plan etc.ugo.santalucia said:A diet of unstructured non-interval type of riding seems to be working. I'm doing a mix of 10 mile TT racing and training sessions consisting of reasonably paced rides with 1-3 full on efforts of 1-2 minutes (400-500 Watt).
At the moment, all numbers are up from last year, including the coveted 20 minute thing.
I just need a few races to build up my qualifying portfolio. I have entered a race in the Peak District at the end of June... should be a sub 3 minute hill, on a good day. I really need a good result!
Beating Simon Warren would be even better, but I suspect that won't happen...
I should also rename this thread, as it's really a zone 7 effort, if one wants to get anywhere
In other wards how could you expect to ride at 25 mph in a TT if you never ridden this fast in training.0 -
oh don't wring your hands in jingoistic ire and please don't swear at me.ugo.santalucia said:
Read the book and stop talking censored ... Paul Jones "I like Alf"MattFalle said:difference between brute strength and ignorance and developments.
they also used to take cocktails of brandy and amphetamines, so lets not say anything.
Slammed stems have been scientifically proven. FACT.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Geometries are also different for TTs these days... lower front end but further forward for a more open hip angle - so you wouldn't be twatting yourself in the stomach.
Like this
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You really don’t want any advice that might mean you have change training. You just look for examples that might back up your thinking.
I hope it works for your hill climbing for your sake. However it isn’t working for the time trials.0 -
this.webboo said:You really don’t want any advice that might mean you have change training. You just look for examples that might back up your thinking.
I hope it works for your hill climbing for your sake. However it isn’t working for the time trials.
its the same as the convo we had about tapping up that geezer who was going for the hour world record and who had tt'd for 30 years and won shed loads - constant excuses, talking a good ride, but nothing happening.
it seems that yup, unless you agree exactly to his ideas, you're dismissed. Same as the old " oh, you need H Plus Son" line.....The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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