Edward Colston/Trans rights/Stamp collecting
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Just read that interview - he does the usual thing of pushing back against things that not many people have said.rjsterry said:
Adding to the theme of redefining words, I see that 'silenced' now means 'some people have questioned the accuracy of what you have published'. And when a person responds to that criticism with a feature article in a national paper, well, that's being silenced all over again. Tony Sewell is on the front of the Telegraph claiming not only that he is being 'silenced' (see the Features section), but also that the fact that some people disagree with his report 'proves' that he was right.Pross said:
I would say quite a few take the Oxford Dictionary definition of racism which is why people get a bit narked at its use whilst others use it in line with the CRE definition so that's the two extremes of the definition I would suggest (I'm not suggesting people on here hold views at the extreme ends). I suppose the one extreme could be that you are only racist if you actively attack people on the basis of their race rather the Oxford definition though.rick_chasey said:
Lol, trust me, the discussions on here are not remotely on the extreme save for the botser.Pross said:
I feel a lot of people could learn from this paragraph:rjsterry said:
Was just about to post the same. Plenty of examples of that kind of thing around here.shirley_basso said:
"How can we get around this? One way is to talk without using these highly charged, badly defined terms. “Taboo your words”: rather than ask “Is Britain a racist country?”, ask “Do ethnic minorities have worse outcomes than white people?” (Yes.) Or “Are black people less likely to be hired than equivalently qualified white people?” (Yes.) Rather than saying “Is cancel culture real?”, ask “How many people lose their jobs over social media outrage?” (Some, although I have no idea how widespread a problem it is.) Then you avoid the slippery definitions and vague mood-affiliation and can talk about real things." as a lot of the arguments on here stem from how people interpret a 'high charged' word (and we really do have the both extremes among regular posters).“Where is this underachievement among black Caribbean boys coming from?” he asks. “We’ve almost instinctively said it’s to do with white teacher racism”.
Also this does not chime with the narrative that came out from people misreading the report:Sewell wants “a stern debate around slavery, how awful and destructive it was, a system that made just profits for the Empire – we need to bring those facts out”.
And obviously this isn't a logical truth:when people are desperate to silence you and discredit you, you must be saying something that’s true.0 -
Like when the government are trying to silence the bbc?kingstongraham said:
And obviously this isn't a logical truth:when people are desperate to silence you and discredit you, you must be saying something that’s true.0 -
I was thinking more about David Icke.0
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Or Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men0
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I have to say a lot of the arguments are the same arguments you get from the drunken bore at the pub.0
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Since this is the defacto race thread.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/race-report-un-boris-johnson-commission-b1833671.html
An arm of the United Nations has condemned the “shocking” Race Commission report ordered by Boris Johnson and called for the body to be scrapped.
The widely criticised study was attacked for “ignoring racial disparities” and for “shifting the blame for the impacts of racism to the people most impacted by it”.
“In 2021, it is stunning to read a report on race and ethnicity that repackages racist tropes and stereotypes into fact, twisting data and misapplying statistics and studies,” said experts from the UN Human Rights Council.0 -
Colour me surprised.
One thing which I do wonder (and I honestly don't know) is if we are institutionally racist as a country, or if everyone's individual biases make it seem that way.
Interestingly we are much less racist as a nation than most of our european neighbours.1 -
I believe so, certainly less so than Italy in my experience. Unfortunately some people will take this as meaning we don't have work to do.shirley_basso said:
Interestingly we are much less racist as a nation than most of our european neighbours.
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I think in the spirit of david37 - we don't need to be constantly self flagelatting over the matter - but I agree that there is room for improvement.
And I say that as a white middle class male - so clearly have no idea what it's like as someone on the receiving end.1 -
It's fairly simple.shirley_basso said:I think in the spirit of david37 - we don't need to be constantly self flagelatting over the matter - but I agree that there is room for improvement.
And I say that as a white middle class male - so clearly have no idea what it's like as someone on the receiving end.
It is a problem and it needs to be rectified. Denying that there is a problem because elsewhere is worse will only worsen the problem.
It's easy for white people to say there shouldn't be so much self flagellating because they're not at the receiving end of the institutional biases, right?
How about agree there is a problem and work out ways to solve it?0 -
That's pretty much exactly what I said0
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That's not how the "we don't need to be constantly self flagelatting over the matter" came across - sounded like you don't think it's a problem worth worrying about.shirley_basso said:That's pretty much exactly what I said
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Words included yet seemingly not read:
- constantly
- room for improvement
- I say this as a white middle....0 -
Rick only reads the words he can argue with.shirley_basso said:Words included yet seemingly not read:
- constantly
- room for improvement
- I say this as a white middle....3 -
except white middle class men are completely at the receiving end through organisations like yours "levelling things up". like every white man has benifited and every black person or woman is a victim. only black and women and trans and whatever else are flavour of the month and the values of equality are somehow muted when it comes to white people.rick_chasey said:
It's fairly simple.shirley_basso said:I think in the spirit of david37 - we don't need to be constantly self flagelatting over the matter - but I agree that there is room for improvement.
And I say that as a white middle class male - so clearly have no idea what it's like as someone on the receiving end.
It is a problem and it needs to be rectified. Denying that there is a problem because elsewhere is worse will only worsen the problem.
It's easy for white people to say there shouldn't be so much self flagellating because they're not at the receiving end of the institutional biases, right?
How about agree there is a problem and work out ways to solve it?
its racism pure and simple until you stop talking about people and adding a characteristic to describe them.
When people are people, that is when equality has been achieved.0 -
There are huge regional variations aswell which means your knowledge of racism may be influenced by the places you know/reside.veronese68 said:
I believe so, certainly less so than Italy in my experience. Unfortunately some people will take this as meaning we don't have work to do.shirley_basso said:
Interestingly we are much less racist as a nation than most of our european neighbours.
My move to the north west definitely took me back a couple of decades in attitudes I witnessed.
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Certainly the case with me as the county in which I live currently has a population that is 99.1% white. (Surrounding counties are between 97.5% to 99.3% white.)morstar said:
There are huge regional variations aswell which means your knowledge of racism may be influenced by the places you know/reside.veronese68 said:
I believe so, certainly less so than Italy in my experience. Unfortunately some people will take this as meaning we don't have work to do.shirley_basso said:
Interestingly we are much less racist as a nation than most of our european neighbours.
My move to the north west definitely took me back a couple of decades in attitudes I witnessed."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
You are Lawrence Fox AICMFP.david37 said:
except white middle class men are completely at the receiving end through organisations like yours "levelling things up". like every white man has benifited and every black person or woman is a victim. only black and women and trans and whatever else are flavour of the month and the values of equality are somehow muted when it comes to white people.rick_chasey said:
It's fairly simple.shirley_basso said:I think in the spirit of david37 - we don't need to be constantly self flagelatting over the matter - but I agree that there is room for improvement.
And I say that as a white middle class male - so clearly have no idea what it's like as someone on the receiving end.
It is a problem and it needs to be rectified. Denying that there is a problem because elsewhere is worse will only worsen the problem.
It's easy for white people to say there shouldn't be so much self flagellating because they're not at the receiving end of the institutional biases, right?
How about agree there is a problem and work out ways to solve it?
its racism pure and simple until you stop talking about people and adding a characteristic to describe them.
When people are people, that is when equality has been achieved.0 -
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I really don't get why he's standing. Surely there's enough money in the right wing twitter grifter game, rather than being humiliated with election results.rick_chasey said:Speaking of which, he's polling around the same as Count Binhead.
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He wants to do something about the hand dryer in the gents' at the Crown and Treaty, Uxbridge.Jezyboy said:
I really don't get why he's standing. Surely there's enough money in the right wing twitter grifter game, rather than being humiliated with election results.rick_chasey said:Speaking of which, he's polling around the same as Count Binhead.
To be fair, it does look like it needs sorting.
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Surprised there hasn't been mention of the guilty verdict in the George Floyd murder case (I couldn't find the original BLM thread). I have to admit I didn't expect it, possibly a good sign that things are moving in the right direction? It will be interesting to see what comes of the USAG's investigation into the policies of the police department.0
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It is kind of inevitable if you tool up the public to a level where it is assumed you are carrying.rick_chasey said:Wasn’t there some stat that American police kill people on most days?
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The stat in my mind IIRIC, is that on average US police kill as many people in 35 days as UK police have killed in 35 years.rick_chasey said:Wasn’t there some stat that American police kill people on most days?
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There were 360 American police killed last year, so it's only fair.rick_chasey said:Wasn’t there some stat that American police kill people on most days?
The Second Amendment at work, folks. Live by the sword and all that..."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
I feel sure there will be a statue of G. Floyd going up soon.
A real role model!1 -
Now I've seen it all... is the loathsome Janet Daley turning woke?
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A lot of things that were politically correct/leftiebollix/woke just become accepted norms. Some don't.0
