Edward Colston/Trans rights/Stamp collecting
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I would say the muppet has done more damage to his reputation himself via his own stupidityshortfall said:
That and the fact that as he's anonymous his reputation can't have been harmed.surrey_commuter said:
the written word counts as libel which theory means a better payout but as only 12 people come to this forum you may want to keep costs down. Plus you have to consider whether the defendant will have enough assets to meet your claim.pangolin said:Ello ello. Sorry, seems I missed a bit of a fuss! Haven't posted since the forum went down for a week.
Clearly (well I would hope it's clear) I thought that UKBLM and BLM were part of the same group. As did Coop and many others. My mistake.
No need for slander Coopster.
And I am not slandering him. It is true he is supporting an anti-Semite organisation.0 -
Unless you don't consider The Telegraph to be part of the real world, I fancy there will be a few of their readers who might.rick_chasey said:
Only to people who seem to have had scepticism about it from the start.ballysmate said:So he objects to wearing a badge that the wearing of which has become synonymous with support for a bunch of nutters.
I don't know anyone in the real world who thinks BLM is about anything other than racial injustice.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/12/make-no-mistake-blm-radical-neo-marxist-political-movement/
Those in positions of authority are scrambling to show they are addressing endemic racism, and in the commercial sphere, not ending up on the wrong side of the debate and risking Twitter storms and boycotts. In a world where nothing is exempt from moral judgment, being on trend means signing up to radical political movements.
That is what Black Lives Matter is. Don’t take my word for it. Take theirs.
BLM happily self-identifies as a neo-Marxist movement with various far left objectives, including defunding the police (an evolution of the Panther position of public open-carry to control the police), to dismantling capitalism and the patriarchal system, disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure, seeking reparations from slavery to redistribute wealth and via various offshoot appeals, to raise money to bail black prisoners awaiting trial.
If the press can fail to make the distinction then what chance the public?
Same in the mainstream US media: co-founder describes herself as ‘trained Marxist’ .
https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/29/editorial-black-lives-matter-is-rooted-in-a-soulle/
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Yes. BLMUK are really doing everyone a massive disservice.blazing_saddles said:
Unless you don't consider The Telegraph to be part of the real world, I fancy there will be a few of their readers who might.rick_chasey said:
Only to people who seem to have had scepticism about it from the start.ballysmate said:So he objects to wearing a badge that the wearing of which has become synonymous with support for a bunch of nutters.
I don't know anyone in the real world who thinks BLM is about anything other than racial injustice.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/12/make-no-mistake-blm-radical-neo-marxist-political-movement/
Those in positions of authority are scrambling to show they are addressing endemic racism, and in the commercial sphere, not ending up on the wrong side of the debate and risking Twitter storms and boycotts. In a world where nothing is exempt from moral judgment, being on trend means signing up to radical political movements.
That is what Black Lives Matter is. Don’t take my word for it. Take theirs.
BLM happily self-identifies as a neo-Marxist movement with various far left objectives, including defunding the police (an evolution of the Panther position of public open-carry to control the police), to dismantling capitalism and the patriarchal system, disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure, seeking reparations from slavery to redistribute wealth and via various offshoot appeals, to raise money to bail black prisoners awaiting trial.
If the press can fail to make the distinction then what chance the public?
Meanwhile in London this weekend, a 13 year old kid on a charity bike ride in the Lea Valley was shoved into brambles and threatened with a taser by police because he 'matched the description' (i.e. was a black kid on a bike) of someone they were looking for. When his dad caught up they handcuffed him as well because...
Ironically the bike ride was raising funds for a local group that tries to improve relations between young black people and the police.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Forgive me if I pass on a professional wind up.
As a general rule, if the person is a columnist at any newspaper, unless there is a very good reason why they are an expert on the topic no-one should really be referencing them.
He's exactly the kind of person who I'm saying is part of the problem - and they're on all sides - they set up the other side up in as a caricature and get their side all revved up about it.0 -
Didn't he run into the brambles to try and escape the police officer who was trying to detain him ? The police were trying to catch two black males who had stabbed someone and made off along the canal which may explain why they were heavy handed. The lad claims he thought he was being mugged.rjsterry said:
Yes. BLMUK are really doing everyone a massive disservice.blazing_saddles said:
Unless you don't consider The Telegraph to be part of the real world, I fancy there will be a few of their readers who might.rick_chasey said:
Only to people who seem to have had scepticism about it from the start.ballysmate said:So he objects to wearing a badge that the wearing of which has become synonymous with support for a bunch of nutters.
I don't know anyone in the real world who thinks BLM is about anything other than racial injustice.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/12/make-no-mistake-blm-radical-neo-marxist-political-movement/
Those in positions of authority are scrambling to show they are addressing endemic racism, and in the commercial sphere, not ending up on the wrong side of the debate and risking Twitter storms and boycotts. In a world where nothing is exempt from moral judgment, being on trend means signing up to radical political movements.
That is what Black Lives Matter is. Don’t take my word for it. Take theirs.
BLM happily self-identifies as a neo-Marxist movement with various far left objectives, including defunding the police (an evolution of the Panther position of public open-carry to control the police), to dismantling capitalism and the patriarchal system, disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure, seeking reparations from slavery to redistribute wealth and via various offshoot appeals, to raise money to bail black prisoners awaiting trial.
If the press can fail to make the distinction then what chance the public?
Meanwhile in London this weekend, a 13 year old kid on a charity bike ride in the Lea Valley was shoved into brambles and threatened with a taser by police because he 'matched the description' (i.e. was a black kid on a bike) of someone they were looking for. When his dad caught up they handcuffed him as well because...
Ironically the bike ride was raising funds for a local group that tries to improve relations between young black people and the police.
So what actually happened was the copper shouted to stop in an aggressive way, the kid made a break for it got caught in brambles and the policeman threatened to use a taser thinking trying to escape was a sign they may have the guy that used the knife.
I can see why the father and son see it as racially motivated - I can also see why the police officer may have been on edge thinking he was facing a guy with a knife. So yes it's a story but it's not George Floyd - my own son experienced worse from Notts Police last Autumn.
The real culprits here are the two people who stabbed someone. It's unfortunate that if you are young, male and black in London you fit the demographic of people most likely to commit certain sorts of street crime. Police training may be part of the answer but the main part is tackling poverty and criminal subcultures that exist within areas of social deprivation.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Or alternatively if you have only the vaguest description maybe don't go in heavy handed as there is a very high chance you'll have the wrong person. It's a canal path. There will be lots of cyclists. In London a lot of them will be black.DeVlaeminck said:
Didn't he run into the brambles to try and escape the police officer who was trying to detain him ? The police were trying to catch two black males who had stabbed someone and made off along the canal which may explain why they were heavy handed. The lad claims he thought he was being mugged.rjsterry said:
Yes. BLMUK are really doing everyone a massive disservice.blazing_saddles said:
Unless you don't consider The Telegraph to be part of the real world, I fancy there will be a few of their readers who might.rick_chasey said:
Only to people who seem to have had scepticism about it from the start.ballysmate said:So he objects to wearing a badge that the wearing of which has become synonymous with support for a bunch of nutters.
I don't know anyone in the real world who thinks BLM is about anything other than racial injustice.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/12/make-no-mistake-blm-radical-neo-marxist-political-movement/
Those in positions of authority are scrambling to show they are addressing endemic racism, and in the commercial sphere, not ending up on the wrong side of the debate and risking Twitter storms and boycotts. In a world where nothing is exempt from moral judgment, being on trend means signing up to radical political movements.
That is what Black Lives Matter is. Don’t take my word for it. Take theirs.
BLM happily self-identifies as a neo-Marxist movement with various far left objectives, including defunding the police (an evolution of the Panther position of public open-carry to control the police), to dismantling capitalism and the patriarchal system, disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure, seeking reparations from slavery to redistribute wealth and via various offshoot appeals, to raise money to bail black prisoners awaiting trial.
If the press can fail to make the distinction then what chance the public?
Meanwhile in London this weekend, a 13 year old kid on a charity bike ride in the Lea Valley was shoved into brambles and threatened with a taser by police because he 'matched the description' (i.e. was a black kid on a bike) of someone they were looking for. When his dad caught up they handcuffed him as well because...
Ironically the bike ride was raising funds for a local group that tries to improve relations between young black people and the police.
So what actually happened was the copper shouted to stop in an aggressive way, the kid made a break for it got caught in brambles and the policeman threatened to use a taser thinking trying to escape was a sign they may have the guy that used the knife.
I can see why the father and son see it as racially motivated - I can also see why the police officer may have been on edge thinking he was facing a guy with a knife. So yes it's a story but it's not George Floyd - my own son experienced worse from Notts Police last Autumn.
The real culprits here are the two people who stabbed someone. It's unfortunate that if you are young, male and black in London you fit the demographic of people most likely to commit certain sorts of street crime. Police training may be part of the answer but the main part is tackling poverty and criminal subcultures that exist within areas of social deprivation.
No, it's not another George Floyd, but it's hardly helping the situation.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Of course I said they were probably heavy handed but at the same time if you are asked to stop by the police investigating an assault with a weapon don't try and run off. My point isn't that this couldn't have been handled better it's that your telling of the story was factually incorrect (he wasn't shoved into brambles) and only from one perspective.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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Big difference in the description of the incident by RSJ and DeVlaeminck above.
Shame there's no video.
Here's a vid of a cop in US being called to an incident where there has been a report of a group of teenagers entering a store to steal and one of them possessing a gun. Same kids later seen in car park, still possessing a gun.
There have been calls for the officer to resign/be sacked.
If you were the officer called to the scene where one of the suspects was reported to have a gun, how would you handle it differently?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RliKsJlRUJo 0 -
Yep, it was a cheap shot but you presented an open goal which I couldn't resist.rick_chasey said:
No that's not what I'm saying. Either you're in this to have a discussion or you're in this to trip people up.ballysmate said:
You seem to be saying Le Tiss was always a sceptic? Curious how you know that.rick_chasey said:
Only to people who seem to have had scepticism about it from the start.ballysmate said:So he objects to wearing a badge that the wearing of which has become synonymous with support for a bunch of nutters.
I don't know anyone in the real world who thinks BLM is about anything other than racial injustice.
Which is it?
You will be pleased to know however that Le Tiss has done to me what he did to many players. He feinted one way and then went the other. He says he will continue to wear his badge to show support for the movement but still wants to distance himself from the group.
He also adds though that SKY have asked all presenters to wear the badges.0 -
Definitely not to be read by Rick, but it's black author has offered copy of his pay-walled article that appeared yesterday.
http://futurecities.org.uk/2020/06/23/which-lives-matter/
On a muggy night in August 2016, three laughing Dallas police officers pinned 32-year-old Tony Timpa to the ground, pushed his face into the grass, placed a knee on his back and held him there for fourteen minutes until he was dead. The parallels with the appalling murder of George Floyd are disturbing and uncanny. Like Floyd, Timpa pleaded for his life. Like Floyd, Timpa repeatedly called for help and begged for the policemen to stop. Like Floyd, Timpa was unarmed. And like Floyd, the death was filmed. But both cases do differ in one significant way; Tony Timpa – unlike me – was white.......
It is quite an extensive piece, so feel free to read on."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.1 -
When Derek Chauvin comes to trial, David Pinney is going to make an interesting witness.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-derek-chauvin-nightclub-bumped-heads-changes-story/0 -
He isn’t anonymous, the twelve of us meet up every Thursday in a nice gastro pub in Shoreditch and have a jolly good laugh.shortfall said:
That and the fact that as he's anonymous his reputation can't have been harmed.surrey_commuter said:
the written word counts as libel which theory means a better payout but as only 12 people come to this forum you may want to keep costs down. Plus you have to consider whether the defendant will have enough assets to meet your claim.pangolin said:Ello ello. Sorry, seems I missed a bit of a fuss! Haven't posted since the forum went down for a week.
Clearly (well I would hope it's clear) I thought that UKBLM and BLM were part of the same group. As did Coop and many others. My mistake.
No need for slander Coopster.0 -
The account I read said he was. I'd suggest as neither of us were there, we're not in a position to split hairs. If two people not in uniform stepped out in front of me I'd think twice about stopping. Why on earth do two adult plain clothes police men feel the need to handcuff a child, let alone threaten him with a taser?DeVlaeminck said:Of course I said they were probably heavy handed but at the same time if you are asked to stop by the police investigating an assault with a weapon don't try and run off. My point isn't that this couldn't have been handled better it's that your telling of the story was factually incorrect (he wasn't shoved into brambles) and only from one perspective.
Anyway, let's not get sucked into another diversion.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
This is a very well written and interesting article. Thanks for posting.blazing_saddles said:Definitely not to be read by Rick, but it's black author has offered copy of his pay-walled article that appeared yesterday.
http://futurecities.org.uk/2020/06/23/which-lives-matter/
On a muggy night in August 2016, three laughing Dallas police officers pinned 32-year-old Tony Timpa to the ground, pushed his face into the grass, placed a knee on his back and held him there for fourteen minutes until he was dead. The parallels with the appalling murder of George Floyd are disturbing and uncanny. Like Floyd, Timpa pleaded for his life. Like Floyd, Timpa repeatedly called for help and begged for the policemen to stop. Like Floyd, Timpa was unarmed. And like Floyd, the death was filmed. But both cases do differ in one significant way; Tony Timpa – unlike me – was white.......
It is quite an extensive piece, so feel free to read on.0 -
He's very similar to the person appointed to lead the investigation into racial discrimination in the UK; a black person who doesn't believe the issue is real.TheBigBean said:
This is a very well written and interesting article. Thanks for posting.blazing_saddles said:Definitely not to be read by Rick, but it's black author has offered copy of his pay-walled article that appeared yesterday.
http://futurecities.org.uk/2020/06/23/which-lives-matter/
On a muggy night in August 2016, three laughing Dallas police officers pinned 32-year-old Tony Timpa to the ground, pushed his face into the grass, placed a knee on his back and held him there for fourteen minutes until he was dead. The parallels with the appalling murder of George Floyd are disturbing and uncanny. Like Floyd, Timpa pleaded for his life. Like Floyd, Timpa repeatedly called for help and begged for the policemen to stop. Like Floyd, Timpa was unarmed. And like Floyd, the death was filmed. But both cases do differ in one significant way; Tony Timpa – unlike me – was white.......
It is quite an extensive piece, so feel free to read on.
It's a technique that has been used over the years.
He's written a tonne of fringe articles saying "i'm not racist, since i'm black, but here's something incredibly racist".
Will come as no surprise he was a Brexit Party candidate.0 -
Again?rick_chasey said:
He's very similar to the person appointed to lead the investigation into racial discrimination in the UK; a black person who doesn't believe the issue is real.TheBigBean said:
This is a very well written and interesting article. Thanks for posting.blazing_saddles said:Definitely not to be read by Rick, but it's black author has offered copy of his pay-walled article that appeared yesterday.
http://futurecities.org.uk/2020/06/23/which-lives-matter/
On a muggy night in August 2016, three laughing Dallas police officers pinned 32-year-old Tony Timpa to the ground, pushed his face into the grass, placed a knee on his back and held him there for fourteen minutes until he was dead. The parallels with the appalling murder of George Floyd are disturbing and uncanny. Like Floyd, Timpa pleaded for his life. Like Floyd, Timpa repeatedly called for help and begged for the policemen to stop. Like Floyd, Timpa was unarmed. And like Floyd, the death was filmed. But both cases do differ in one significant way; Tony Timpa – unlike me – was white.......
It is quite an extensive piece, so feel free to read on.
It's a technique that has been used over the years.
He's written a tonne of fringe articles saying "i'm not racist, since i'm black, but here's something incredibly racist".
Will come as no surprise he was a Brexit Party candidate.
It is a shame you seem to dismiss out of hand, everything and everyone that doesn't completely conform to your ideology.
You don't have to agree to everything he says to recognise he makes some interesting points and observations.
Not sure how is being a Brexit Party candidate can be relevant if you have no issue with Marxists."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.1 -
Come on mate if you reading comprehension is this poor I might stop bothering.blazing_saddles said:
Again?rick_chasey said:
He's very similar to the person appointed to lead the investigation into racial discrimination in the UK; a black person who doesn't believe the issue is real.TheBigBean said:
This is a very well written and interesting article. Thanks for posting.blazing_saddles said:Definitely not to be read by Rick, but it's black author has offered copy of his pay-walled article that appeared yesterday.
http://futurecities.org.uk/2020/06/23/which-lives-matter/
On a muggy night in August 2016, three laughing Dallas police officers pinned 32-year-old Tony Timpa to the ground, pushed his face into the grass, placed a knee on his back and held him there for fourteen minutes until he was dead. The parallels with the appalling murder of George Floyd are disturbing and uncanny. Like Floyd, Timpa pleaded for his life. Like Floyd, Timpa repeatedly called for help and begged for the policemen to stop. Like Floyd, Timpa was unarmed. And like Floyd, the death was filmed. But both cases do differ in one significant way; Tony Timpa – unlike me – was white.......
It is quite an extensive piece, so feel free to read on.
It's a technique that has been used over the years.
He's written a tonne of fringe articles saying "i'm not racist, since i'm black, but here's something incredibly racist".
Will come as no surprise he was a Brexit Party candidate.
It is a shame you seem to dismiss out of hand, everything and everyone that doesn't completely conform to your ideology.
You don't have to agree to everything he says to recognise he makes some interesting points and observations.
Not sure how is being a Brexit Party candidate can be relevant if you have no issue with Marxists.
Where have I said I have no issue with Marxists?0 -
The problem isn't with my reading comprehension Rick.rick_chasey said:
Come on mate if you reading comprehension is this poor I might stop bothering.blazing_saddles said:
Again?rick_chasey said:
He's very similar to the person appointed to lead the investigation into racial discrimination in the UK; a black person who doesn't believe the issue is real.TheBigBean said:
This is a very well written and interesting article. Thanks for posting.blazing_saddles said:Definitely not to be read by Rick, but it's black author has offered copy of his pay-walled article that appeared yesterday.
http://futurecities.org.uk/2020/06/23/which-lives-matter/
On a muggy night in August 2016, three laughing Dallas police officers pinned 32-year-old Tony Timpa to the ground, pushed his face into the grass, placed a knee on his back and held him there for fourteen minutes until he was dead. The parallels with the appalling murder of George Floyd are disturbing and uncanny. Like Floyd, Timpa pleaded for his life. Like Floyd, Timpa repeatedly called for help and begged for the policemen to stop. Like Floyd, Timpa was unarmed. And like Floyd, the death was filmed. But both cases do differ in one significant way; Tony Timpa – unlike me – was white.......
It is quite an extensive piece, so feel free to read on.
It's a technique that has been used over the years.
He's written a tonne of fringe articles saying "i'm not racist, since i'm black, but here's something incredibly racist".
Will come as no surprise he was a Brexit Party candidate.
It is a shame you seem to dismiss out of hand, everything and everyone that doesn't completely conform to your ideology.
You don't have to agree to everything he says to recognise he makes some interesting points and observations.
Not sure how is being a Brexit Party candidate can be relevant if you have no issue with Marxists.
Where have I said I have no issue with Marxists?
It's with you ignoring links you know you won't like, so choosing to deride the author instead of reading the content.
I'm not going to waste my time posting the link again as it's above on this page.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.3 -
It's articulate and quite brilliant. Some excerpts:blazing_saddles said:Definitely not to be read by Rick, but it's black author has offered copy of his pay-walled article that appeared yesterday.
http://futurecities.org.uk/2020/06/23/which-lives-matter/
It is quite an extensive piece, so feel free to read on.
Despite the clear intellectual lunacy of measuring history by our own standards let’s have a democratic debate about which statues populate our public spaces by all means. But make no mistake, the anarchistic, revisionist, historical naiveté and contextual intolerance that felled Colston and now has its sights firmly trained on his contemporaries from as far afield as London and Oxford is – poetically – an obtuse form of cultural white-washing scripted from the same Puritanical identitarian playbook that not only has the potential to incite the odious far right (as a violent minority have now proven) but is more than capable of exacerbating the levels of resentment and division that will set race relations back in this country by years.
This supposedly heroic fixation with slavery might attain more integrity if, rather than the puerile dismantling of historic statues to expunge white liberal post-imperialist guilt and self-loathing, efforts were made to liberate the estimated 40 million mainly Africans and Asians still estimated to be trapped in indentured servitude today. One is forced to conclude that since their captors are mainly other Africans and Asians and not the venomous whites, these particular black lives are not the ones BLM is all that interested in. Equally, seeing as none of us can change the past, repeatedly indicting slavery as the West’s original sin merely plunges us all into an endless nihilistic hamster wheel of resentment and recrimination from which there can never be any logical reprieve.
And, with grim predictability, the slavery debate rears its incendiary head again with the most controversial aspect of the current liberal historic revisionism mania: statue toppling. Might George Floyd still be alive today if Bristol’s statue of Edward Colston had been dismantled years ago? It’s unlikely but for a generation who believes that racism can be defeated by placing a black square on Instagram gestures are always more important than actions. Also, if the statue was such an “affront” to the incumbent Labour mayor of Bristol one wonders why he didn’t arrange a referendum or some other lawful, democratic means to remove it in the four years since he was elected instead of waiting for mob rule to circumvent his role as municipal custodian.
So while Britain is clearly not a racist country racism persists here as it does everywhere. But until the happy day when racism is eradicated, the solution is not the divisive rhetoric and crass militancy of a cynical BLM movement that seeks to commoditise black suffering as a means to perpetuate the divisive myth of white privilege. The answer is for black people not to define ourselves by how others may define us but to realise that we and we alone are the key to empowering our lives and claiming the freedom that is everyone’s right.
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I'm not splitting hairs I'm just repeating what the lad is quoted as saying - "He was crazy angry and shouting. I got scared because I thought he might be mugging me or trying to give me corona so I ran, but there was nowhere to go but in the bushes.”rjsterry said:
The account I read said he was. I'd suggest as neither of us were there, we're not in a position to split hairs. If two people not in uniform stepped out in front of me I'd think twice about stopping. Why on earth do two adult plain clothes police men feel the need to handcuff a child, let alone threaten him with a taser?DeVlaeminck said:Of course I said they were probably heavy handed but at the same time if you are asked to stop by the police investigating an assault with a weapon don't try and run off. My point isn't that this couldn't have been handled better it's that your telling of the story was factually incorrect (he wasn't shoved into brambles) and only from one perspective.
Anyway, let's not get sucked into another diversion.
Put yourself in the position of the police - you've been told there has been a stabbing and the suspects are black and cycling away on the canal towpath. A black teen on a bike appears on the towpath - you shout stop and he tries to flee.
I can imagine they maybe did go over the top but there are at least some mitigating circumstances. There are also maybe mitigating circumstances for a black teen confronted by the police being scared especially in that area. I accept there are grounds for complaint but it's not really comparable to stuff we see in the USA all the time.
[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]2 -
Very interesting and very relevant - thanks for posting b_s.blazing_saddles said:Definitely not to be read by Rick, but it's black author has offered copy of his pay-walled article that appeared yesterday.
http://futurecities.org.uk/2020/06/23/which-lives-matter/
On a muggy night in August 2016, three laughing Dallas police officers pinned 32-year-old Tony Timpa to the ground, pushed his face into the grass, placed a knee on his back and held him there for fourteen minutes until he was dead. The parallels with the appalling murder of George Floyd are disturbing and uncanny. Like Floyd, Timpa pleaded for his life. Like Floyd, Timpa repeatedly called for help and begged for the policemen to stop. Like Floyd, Timpa was unarmed. And like Floyd, the death was filmed. But both cases do differ in one significant way; Tony Timpa – unlike me – was white.......
It is quite an extensive piece, so feel free to read on.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It also feels like a minor libel considering he has been widely accused of being the cause of Covid-19 along with the much maligned bats.surrey_commuter said:
the written word counts as libel which theory means a better payout but as only 12 people come to this forum you may want to keep costs down. Plus you have to consider whether the defendant will have enough assets to meet your claim.pangolin said:Ello ello. Sorry, seems I missed a bit of a fuss! Haven't posted since the forum went down for a week.
Clearly (well I would hope it's clear) I thought that UKBLM and BLM were part of the same group. As did Coop and many others. My mistake.
No need for slander Coopster.0 -
blazing_saddles said:
Definitely not to be read by Rick, but it's black author has offered copy of his pay-walled article that appeared yesterday.
http://futurecities.org.uk/2020/06/23/which-lives-matter/
On a muggy night in August 2016, three laughing Dallas police officers pinned 32-year-old Tony Timpa to the ground, pushed his face into the grass, placed a knee on his back and held him there for fourteen minutes until he was dead. The parallels with the appalling murder of George Floyd are disturbing and uncanny. Like Floyd, Timpa pleaded for his life. Like Floyd, Timpa repeatedly called for help and begged for the policemen to stop. Like Floyd, Timpa was unarmed. And like Floyd, the death was filmed. But both cases do differ in one significant way; Tony Timpa – unlike me – was white.......
It is quite an extensive piece, so feel free to read on.
Thanks - a well written piece that expresses very well the reservations that a lot of us have about the current group think.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
I don't think his position on Brexit is relevant.rick_chasey said:
He's very similar to the person appointed to lead the investigation into racial discrimination in the UK; a black person who doesn't believe the issue is real.TheBigBean said:
This is a very well written and interesting article. Thanks for posting.blazing_saddles said:Definitely not to be read by Rick, but it's black author has offered copy of his pay-walled article that appeared yesterday.
http://futurecities.org.uk/2020/06/23/which-lives-matter/
On a muggy night in August 2016, three laughing Dallas police officers pinned 32-year-old Tony Timpa to the ground, pushed his face into the grass, placed a knee on his back and held him there for fourteen minutes until he was dead. The parallels with the appalling murder of George Floyd are disturbing and uncanny. Like Floyd, Timpa pleaded for his life. Like Floyd, Timpa repeatedly called for help and begged for the policemen to stop. Like Floyd, Timpa was unarmed. And like Floyd, the death was filmed. But both cases do differ in one significant way; Tony Timpa – unlike me – was white.......
It is quite an extensive piece, so feel free to read on.
It's a technique that has been used over the years.
He's written a tonne of fringe articles saying "i'm not racist, since i'm black, but here's something incredibly racist".
Will come as no surprise he was a Brexit Party candidate.
He fully excepts racism exists.
I would have thought you would agree with a lot of what he has written. Especially on the subject of white saviours.
His eloquence makes it an easy read.
Is his view racist? Quite possibly.
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As contrarian in chief I fully can see why you would find this appealing.TheBigBean said:
I don't think his position on Brexit is relevant.rick_chasey said:
He's very similar to the person appointed to lead the investigation into racial discrimination in the UK; a black person who doesn't believe the issue is real.TheBigBean said:
This is a very well written and interesting article. Thanks for posting.blazing_saddles said:Definitely not to be read by Rick, but it's black author has offered copy of his pay-walled article that appeared yesterday.
http://futurecities.org.uk/2020/06/23/which-lives-matter/
On a muggy night in August 2016, three laughing Dallas police officers pinned 32-year-old Tony Timpa to the ground, pushed his face into the grass, placed a knee on his back and held him there for fourteen minutes until he was dead. The parallels with the appalling murder of George Floyd are disturbing and uncanny. Like Floyd, Timpa pleaded for his life. Like Floyd, Timpa repeatedly called for help and begged for the policemen to stop. Like Floyd, Timpa was unarmed. And like Floyd, the death was filmed. But both cases do differ in one significant way; Tony Timpa – unlike me – was white.......
It is quite an extensive piece, so feel free to read on.
It's a technique that has been used over the years.
He's written a tonne of fringe articles saying "i'm not racist, since i'm black, but here's something incredibly racist".
Will come as no surprise he was a Brexit Party candidate.
He fully excepts racism exists.
I would have thought you would agree with a lot of what he has written. Especially on the subject of white saviours.
His eloquence makes it an easy read.
Is his view racist? Quite possibly.
And for the record, the group think is not that the U.K. has a systemic racism problem or an institutionally racist problem; else we’d be a lot further down the road to solving it.
I object to the zero sum attitude of a lot of the “well what about white working class” comments as if it’s either/or.
The stats he uses re deaths is almost a trope on the right by now. They miss the more obvious stats around how the police treat people differently (stop & search 12x more likely etc) and offers no reason why murder rates might be so much higher in one community than another; this is often done on the far right to imply that indeed one race is innately more murderous than another.
The guy reminds me of this excellent article on Kanye West: https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/05/im-not-black-im-kanye/559763/
its a bit more lyrical and it’s about MJ and Kanye and the writer spends a lot of time saying how awful Trump is as well as discussing his own experience of fame, but the premise is they both try to find their own saviour by leaving their black idendity however they can because the weight of all that history, that cultural baggage holds them, the ridiculously successful in this instance, back.
He feels the same. He wants his failed bid to be an MP to be about his ability to run an election campaign and not about his race; he wants, to take that Atlantic article view, to have the freedom white people have for his race to be a non-issue.
He wants to disassociate himself and the community from the weight and ties of history.
He’s literally using the same arguments white supremacists use to say that those things don’t matter.
If that’s the case, than what makes black people more likely to be criminals and more likely to be deprived? Because I am categorical that the answer isn’t to do with black innate characteristics. So if it’s not that, it *must* surely be the environment?
And to be honest, no argument about this can really be had unless that final question is properly answered by everyone contributing.0 -
I didn't say I agree with it, I said it was interesting and well written.rick_chasey said:
As contrarian in chief I fully can see why you would find this appealing.TheBigBean said:
I don't think his position on Brexit is relevant.rick_chasey said:
He's very similar to the person appointed to lead the investigation into racial discrimination in the UK; a black person who doesn't believe the issue is real.TheBigBean said:
This is a very well written and interesting article. Thanks for posting.blazing_saddles said:Definitely not to be read by Rick, but it's black author has offered copy of his pay-walled article that appeared yesterday.
http://futurecities.org.uk/2020/06/23/which-lives-matter/
On a muggy night in August 2016, three laughing Dallas police officers pinned 32-year-old Tony Timpa to the ground, pushed his face into the grass, placed a knee on his back and held him there for fourteen minutes until he was dead. The parallels with the appalling murder of George Floyd are disturbing and uncanny. Like Floyd, Timpa pleaded for his life. Like Floyd, Timpa repeatedly called for help and begged for the policemen to stop. Like Floyd, Timpa was unarmed. And like Floyd, the death was filmed. But both cases do differ in one significant way; Tony Timpa – unlike me – was white.......
It is quite an extensive piece, so feel free to read on.
It's a technique that has been used over the years.
He's written a tonne of fringe articles saying "i'm not racist, since i'm black, but here's something incredibly racist".
Will come as no surprise he was a Brexit Party candidate.
He fully excepts racism exists.
I would have thought you would agree with a lot of what he has written. Especially on the subject of white saviours.
His eloquence makes it an easy read.
Is his view racist? Quite possibly.
And for the record, the group think is not that the U.K. has a systemic racism problem or an institutionally racist problem; else we’d be a lot further down the road to solving it.
I object to the zero sum attitude of a lot of the “well what about white working class” comments as if it’s either/or.
I don't think the point of the article is about the white working class either. That may be the quote Blazing Saddles provided, but he writes mostly about the black community's attitude to itself.0 -
Is that just short of calling him a 'coconut'? Apparently that is how the Twitterati greeted the appointment of Munira Mirza. Similarly, the appointments of Javed and Patel.rick_chasey said:
He's very similar to the person appointed to lead the investigation into racial discrimination in the UK; a black person who doesn't believe the issue is real.TheBigBean said:
This is a very well written and interesting article. Thanks for posting.blazing_saddles said:Definitely not to be read by Rick, but it's black author has offered copy of his pay-walled article that appeared yesterday.
http://futurecities.org.uk/2020/06/23/which-lives-matter/
On a muggy night in August 2016, three laughing Dallas police officers pinned 32-year-old Tony Timpa to the ground, pushed his face into the grass, placed a knee on his back and held him there for fourteen minutes until he was dead. The parallels with the appalling murder of George Floyd are disturbing and uncanny. Like Floyd, Timpa pleaded for his life. Like Floyd, Timpa repeatedly called for help and begged for the policemen to stop. Like Floyd, Timpa was unarmed. And like Floyd, the death was filmed. But both cases do differ in one significant way; Tony Timpa – unlike me – was white.......
It is quite an extensive piece, so feel free to read on.
It's a technique that has been used over the years.
He's written a tonne of fringe articles saying "i'm not racist, since i'm black, but here's something incredibly racist".
Will come as no surprise he was a Brexit Party candidate.
Must confess that I don't do Twitter so these reports are second hand.
And again, the implication that someone's views should be dismissed because they wanted to leave the EU.0 -
Absolutely.TheBigBean said:
I didn't say I agree with it, I said it was interesting and well written.rick_chasey said:
As contrarian in chief I fully can see why you would find this appealing.TheBigBean said:
I don't think his position on Brexit is relevant.rick_chasey said:
He's very similar to the person appointed to lead the investigation into racial discrimination in the UK; a black person who doesn't believe the issue is real.TheBigBean said:
This is a very well written and interesting article. Thanks for posting.blazing_saddles said:Definitely not to be read by Rick, but it's black author has offered copy of his pay-walled article that appeared yesterday.
http://futurecities.org.uk/2020/06/23/which-lives-matter/
On a muggy night in August 2016, three laughing Dallas police officers pinned 32-year-old Tony Timpa to the ground, pushed his face into the grass, placed a knee on his back and held him there for fourteen minutes until he was dead. The parallels with the appalling murder of George Floyd are disturbing and uncanny. Like Floyd, Timpa pleaded for his life. Like Floyd, Timpa repeatedly called for help and begged for the policemen to stop. Like Floyd, Timpa was unarmed. And like Floyd, the death was filmed. But both cases do differ in one significant way; Tony Timpa – unlike me – was white.......
It is quite an extensive piece, so feel free to read on.
It's a technique that has been used over the years.
He's written a tonne of fringe articles saying "i'm not racist, since i'm black, but here's something incredibly racist".
Will come as no surprise he was a Brexit Party candidate.
He fully excepts racism exists.
I would have thought you would agree with a lot of what he has written. Especially on the subject of white saviours.
His eloquence makes it an easy read.
Is his view racist? Quite possibly.
And for the record, the group think is not that the U.K. has a systemic racism problem or an institutionally racist problem; else we’d be a lot further down the road to solving it.
I object to the zero sum attitude of a lot of the “well what about white working class” comments as if it’s either/or.
I don't think the point of the article is about the white working class either. That may be the quote Blazing Saddles provided, but he writes
It was too extensive an article to have posted in it's entirety.
As several posters have noted, it's extremely well written, so I thought the opening paragraph sufficiently enticing to draw readers in. It is in no way typical of the majority of the content, which you highlight as "mostly about the black community's attitude to itself."
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
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As your version contains a detailed description by the lad of how and why he landed up in the bushes, it does seem more plausible.DeVlaeminck said:
I'm not splitting hairs I'm just repeating what the lad is quoted as saying - "He was crazy angry and shouting. I got scared because I thought he might be mugging me or trying to give me corona so I ran, but there was nowhere to go but in the bushes.”rjsterry said:
The account I read said he was. I'd suggest as neither of us were there, we're not in a position to split hairs. If two people not in uniform stepped out in front of me I'd think twice about stopping. Why on earth do two adult plain clothes police men feel the need to handcuff a child, let alone threaten him with a taser?DeVlaeminck said:Of course I said they were probably heavy handed but at the same time if you are asked to stop by the police investigating an assault with a weapon don't try and run off. My point isn't that this couldn't have been handled better it's that your telling of the story was factually incorrect (he wasn't shoved into brambles) and only from one perspective.
Anyway, let's not get sucked into another diversion.
Put yourself in the position of the police - you've been told there has been a stabbing and the suspects are black and cycling away on the canal towpath. A black teen on a bike appears on the towpath - you shout stop and he tries to flee.
I can imagine they maybe did go over the top but there are at least some mitigating circumstances. There are also maybe mitigating circumstances for a black teen confronted by the police being scared especially in that area. I accept there are grounds for complaint but it's not really comparable to stuff we see in the USA all the time.
Perhaps RJS got the story from someone who had wilfully distorted the story, because the versions vary so much they could be describing different events.
Out of curiosity, where did this happen?
Edit.
Just re read it. London.0
