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They're not unacceptable, just inconsequential. You brought up the Euriscepticism, not me. Any other words you'd like to put in my mouth?ballysmate said:If people find the SDP view unacceptable because of its Euro scepticism hows about a source that is both woke and Europhile.
Step forward Rick
"Some wonderful confusion on the right between a western world-wide movement and a specific fringe who have adopted the same name for their own purposes which have little to do with the movement."
So there we have it. The group in receipt of the dosh is not the force for good, they would have you believe.
Not often RC and I agree, but there you go.
Why are you intent on turning this into a spin off the Brexit thread?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I think this is unfair, based on yesterday's conversation.rick_chasey said:Easier ground than making his own enoch powell style pronouncements.
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At last. That is what I've been saying. People have been quite happy to donate to groups with some 'unpleasant and downright stupid ideas' all because of the prefix BLM. They don't all appear to know the causes they are bankrolling when they hand over their cash. Yes, a lot of movements have pressure groups at the edges, but I would prefer that people know how the money they donate is being used. I accept that your view is "So what?" Your prerogative.rjsterry said:
What on earth has it got to do with left/right or Euroscepticism?ballysmate said:
I used the SDP because they are a pretty much inoffensive bunch and in no way could be described right wing or portrayed as some sort of swivel eyed loons. If I had picked a right wing source, I'm sure you or someone else would've just brandished them fascist.rjsterry said:
Er, no. I just wondered why you plucked them from obscurity to support your point. What next, a link to Gardener's World?ballysmate said:
https://sdp.org.uk/about/rjsterry said:
I thought the SDP was a sort of convalescent home for former UKIP MEPs. I'd say Patrick O'Flynn fits the description pretty well.ballysmate said:Not that amazing really, tbh.
At least one poster on here would consider the Social Democrats to be hard care reactionaries.
"Ironically, whinging about virtue signalling seems to be the fashionable way to show what a hard core reactionary you are, and get some likes from your fellow reactionaries".
I bet the SDP never thought they would have to wear that label.
Yes, they are Eurosceptics, is it this that taints your view? If you are Eurosceptic it must follow that you have to be 'hard core reactionary'?
Never occurred to me that the views would be rejected just because the source was Eurosceptic.
Mea culpa. I should've known better.
I don't understand what that link adds to anything. If you are pointing out that the BLMUK group seem to have some pretty unpleasant and downright stupid ideas, then I'll agree with you there. They seem a pretty suspect bunch and tweeting rubbish about Zionism or how black people should under no circumstances engage or cooperate with the police just makes them look stupid. But so what? There are lots of pressure groups at the edges of larger movements at all points of the political spectrum.
I agreed with Rick's post and in fact quoted that I recognised that there is a distinction between the world wide movement and these 'fringe groups' and have not criticised the world wide movement.
Part of the SDP article I linked referenced the way no criticism, real or implied of the BLM movement will be tolerated. The response I received for pointing out the 'unpleasant and downright stupid ideas' seems to bear that out.
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No wish to turn anything into another Brexit thread.rjsterry said:
They're not unacceptable, just inconsequential. You brought up the Euriscepticism, not me. Any other words you'd like to put in my mouth?ballysmate said:If people find the SDP view unacceptable because of its Euro scepticism hows about a source that is both woke and Europhile.
Step forward Rick
"Some wonderful confusion on the right between a western world-wide movement and a specific fringe who have adopted the same name for their own purposes which have little to do with the movement."
So there we have it. The group in receipt of the dosh is not the force for good, they would have you believe.
Not often RC and I agree, but there you go.
Why are you intent on turning this into a spin off the Brexit thread?
You rebutted the SDP article thus
thought the SDP was a sort of convalescent home for former UKIP MEPs.
No attempt to rebut the content, but just used the fact that an ex UKIP MEP was a member. From that, I inferred that the sole reason to reject the article was EU politics. After all, you mentioned no other reason..0 -
What has Enoch Powell got to do with the price of fish?rick_chasey said:Easier ground than making his own enoch powell style pronouncements.
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The SJW's are trying to distract away from their foolish, undying support that they pledged to the BLMUK movement back at the start of the month.ballysmate said:
What has Enoch Powell got to do with the price of fish?rick_chasey said:Easier ground than making his own enoch powell style pronouncements.
Despite the real identity of the movement being pointed out to them at the time, they refused to acknowledge it was actually an anarchist far-left movement. No they are trying to imply the main BLM UK voice was a 'fringe group'. Keir Starmer has been back-peddling as fast as those on here and now refers to them as a 'moment' 0 -
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So, BLM is really an abbreviation of Bank Loads of Money......"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0
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I think it is concerning that this one group seems to be piggybacking its other agendas on a larger issue but then that's hardly a pattern we've never seen before. BLMUK have hardly kept quiet about their more extreme views, but it's broken through a bit more now that they have started tweeting about Zionism, That said, it was mentioned on here that they aren't *the* official UK group a couple of weeks back, yet the Spectator article and some of the other reports I have seen describe it as the UK chapter of the movement. From what I can see that is incorrect. This is not a single international organisation. There are many other groups and charities to which people can and have donated, many of which have a far more constructive approach to the problem. Its a shame they haven't had the same publicity. I think it's a mistake to think this one group organised the whole thing.ballysmate said:
At last. That is what I've been saying. People have been quite happy to donate to groups with some 'unpleasant and downright stupid ideas' all because of the prefix BLM. They don't all appear to know the causes they are bankrolling when they hand over their cash. Yes, a lot of movements have pressure groups at the edges, but I would prefer that people know how the money they donate is being used. I accept that your view is "So what?" Your prerogative.rjsterry said:
What on earth has it got to do with left/right or Euroscepticism?ballysmate said:
I used the SDP because they are a pretty much inoffensive bunch and in no way could be described right wing or portrayed as some sort of swivel eyed loons. If I had picked a right wing source, I'm sure you or someone else would've just brandished them fascist.rjsterry said:
Er, no. I just wondered why you plucked them from obscurity to support your point. What next, a link to Gardener's World?ballysmate said:
https://sdp.org.uk/about/rjsterry said:
I thought the SDP was a sort of convalescent home for former UKIP MEPs. I'd say Patrick O'Flynn fits the description pretty well.ballysmate said:Not that amazing really, tbh.
At least one poster on here would consider the Social Democrats to be hard care reactionaries.
"Ironically, whinging about virtue signalling seems to be the fashionable way to show what a hard core reactionary you are, and get some likes from your fellow reactionaries".
I bet the SDP never thought they would have to wear that label.
Yes, they are Eurosceptics, is it this that taints your view? If you are Eurosceptic it must follow that you have to be 'hard core reactionary'?
Never occurred to me that the views would be rejected just because the source was Eurosceptic.
Mea culpa. I should've known better.
I don't understand what that link adds to anything. If you are pointing out that the BLMUK group seem to have some pretty unpleasant and downright stupid ideas, then I'll agree with you there. They seem a pretty suspect bunch and tweeting rubbish about Zionism or how black people should under no circumstances engage or cooperate with the police just makes them look stupid. But so what? There are lots of pressure groups at the edges of larger movements at all points of the political spectrum.
I agreed with Rick's post and in fact quoted that I recognised that there is a distinction between the world wide movement and these 'fringe groups' and have not criticised the world wide movement.
Part of the SDP article I linked referenced the way no criticism, real or implied of the BLM movement will be tolerated. The response I received for pointing out the 'unpleasant and downright stupid ideas' seems to bear that out.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Three word slogans have a lot to answer for in their over simplistic, undeliverable or disingenuous treatment of complex issues
'Defund the Police' is the worst I've seen.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Right: Who's got their knickers in a twist and piddled on their own chips and why has 'Loon's wife just turned up on my doorstep?seanoconn - gruagach craic!0
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Donating to left wing groups with somewhat questionable records on anti-Semitism just to wind people up has a proud history on this website. I'm glad to see it upheld.0
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Watch out, someone will be along soon to call you out as Enoch Powell. If only Rick was taller...tailwindhome said:Three word slogans have a lot to answer for in their over simplistic, undeliverable or disingenuous treatment of complex issues
'Defund the Police' is the worst I've seen.
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Lol.kingstongraham said:Donating to left wing groups with somewhat questionable records on anti-Semitism just to wind people up has a proud history on this website. I'm glad to see it upheld.
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At least there is some substantial female representation in that sketchballysmate said:
Watch out, someone will be along soon to call you out as Enoch Powell. If only Rick was taller...tailwindhome said:Three word slogans have a lot to answer for in their over simplistic, undeliverable or disingenuous treatment of complex issues
'Defund the Police' is the worst I've seen.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
I notice Pangolin has been online today but hasn't commented. Might suggest he was suckeredkingstongraham said:Donating to left wing groups with somewhat questionable records on anti-Semitism just to wind people up has a proud history on this website. I'm glad to see it upheld.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
The real concern is that criticising anything connected, no matter how tenuously to BLM, brings howls of protest from the people 'on message' and even if the criticism is justified, it can spell death to your career.rjsterry said:
I think it is concerning that this one group seems to be piggybacking its other agendas on a larger issue but then that's hardly a pattern we've never seen before. BLMUK have hardly kept quiet about their more extreme views, but it's broken through a bit more now that they have started tweeting about Zionism, That said, it was mentioned on here that they aren't *the* official UK group a couple of weeks back, yet the Spectator article and some of the other reports I have seen describe it as the UK chapter of the movement. From what I can see that is incorrect. This is not a single international organisation. There are many other groups and charities to which people can and have donated, many of which have a far more constructive approach to the problem. Its a shame they haven't had the same publicity. I think it's a mistake to think this one group organised the whole thing.ballysmate said:
At last. That is what I've been saying. People have been quite happy to donate to groups with some 'unpleasant and downright stupid ideas' all because of the prefix BLM. They don't all appear to know the causes they are bankrolling when they hand over their cash. Yes, a lot of movements have pressure groups at the edges, but I would prefer that people know how the money they donate is being used. I accept that your view is "So what?" Your prerogative.rjsterry said:
What on earth has it got to do with left/right or Euroscepticism?ballysmate said:
I used the SDP because they are a pretty much inoffensive bunch and in no way could be described right wing or portrayed as some sort of swivel eyed loons. If I had picked a right wing source, I'm sure you or someone else would've just brandished them fascist.rjsterry said:
Er, no. I just wondered why you plucked them from obscurity to support your point. What next, a link to Gardener's World?ballysmate said:
https://sdp.org.uk/about/rjsterry said:
I thought the SDP was a sort of convalescent home for former UKIP MEPs. I'd say Patrick O'Flynn fits the description pretty well.ballysmate said:Not that amazing really, tbh.
At least one poster on here would consider the Social Democrats to be hard care reactionaries.
"Ironically, whinging about virtue signalling seems to be the fashionable way to show what a hard core reactionary you are, and get some likes from your fellow reactionaries".
I bet the SDP never thought they would have to wear that label.
Yes, they are Eurosceptics, is it this that taints your view? If you are Eurosceptic it must follow that you have to be 'hard core reactionary'?
Never occurred to me that the views would be rejected just because the source was Eurosceptic.
Mea culpa. I should've known better.
I don't understand what that link adds to anything. If you are pointing out that the BLMUK group seem to have some pretty unpleasant and downright stupid ideas, then I'll agree with you there. They seem a pretty suspect bunch and tweeting rubbish about Zionism or how black people should under no circumstances engage or cooperate with the police just makes them look stupid. But so what? There are lots of pressure groups at the edges of larger movements at all points of the political spectrum.
I agreed with Rick's post and in fact quoted that I recognised that there is a distinction between the world wide movement and these 'fringe groups' and have not criticised the world wide movement.
Part of the SDP article I linked referenced the way no criticism, real or implied of the BLM movement will be tolerated. The response I received for pointing out the 'unpleasant and downright stupid ideas' seems to bear that out.5 -
Yeah, don't want to be thought misogynist do we?Stevo_666 said:
At least there is some substantial female representation in that sketchballysmate said:
Watch out, someone will be along soon to call you out as Enoch Powell. If only Rick was taller...tailwindhome said:Three word slogans have a lot to answer for in their over simplistic, undeliverable or disingenuous treatment of complex issues
'Defund the Police' is the worst I've seen.0 -
ballysmate said:
Yeah, don't want to be thought misogynist do we?Stevo_666 said:
At least there is some substantial female representation in that sketchballysmate said:
Watch out, someone will be along soon to call you out as Enoch Powell. If only Rick was taller...tailwindhome said:Three word slogans have a lot to answer for in their over simplistic, undeliverable or disingenuous treatment of complex issues
'Defund the Police' is the worst I've seen.
Or bigoted, depending on how good a day someone is having."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Does it? There's plenty of criticism of the specific BLMUK group from across the political spectrum if you care to look. As for career ending, who's? We've all been discussing it here; have you been sacked? Don't talk such b******s.ballysmate said:
The real concern is that criticising anything connected, no matter how tenuously to BLM, brings howls of protest from the people 'on message' and even if the criticism is justified, it can spell death to your career.rjsterry said:
I think it is concerning that this one group seems to be piggybacking its other agendas on a larger issue but then that's hardly a pattern we've never seen before. BLMUK have hardly kept quiet about their more extreme views, but it's broken through a bit more now that they have started tweeting about Zionism, That said, it was mentioned on here that they aren't *the* official UK group a couple of weeks back, yet the Spectator article and some of the other reports I have seen describe it as the UK chapter of the movement. From what I can see that is incorrect. This is not a single international organisation. There are many other groups and charities to which people can and have donated, many of which have a far more constructive approach to the problem. Its a shame they haven't had the same publicity. I think it's a mistake to think this one group organised the whole thing.ballysmate said:
At last. That is what I've been saying. People have been quite happy to donate to groups with some 'unpleasant and downright stupid ideas' all because of the prefix BLM. They don't all appear to know the causes they are bankrolling when they hand over their cash. Yes, a lot of movements have pressure groups at the edges, but I would prefer that people know how the money they donate is being used. I accept that your view is "So what?" Your prerogative.rjsterry said:
What on earth has it got to do with left/right or Euroscepticism?ballysmate said:
I used the SDP because they are a pretty much inoffensive bunch and in no way could be described right wing or portrayed as some sort of swivel eyed loons. If I had picked a right wing source, I'm sure you or someone else would've just brandished them fascist.rjsterry said:
Er, no. I just wondered why you plucked them from obscurity to support your point. What next, a link to Gardener's World?ballysmate said:
https://sdp.org.uk/about/rjsterry said:
I thought the SDP was a sort of convalescent home for former UKIP MEPs. I'd say Patrick O'Flynn fits the description pretty well.ballysmate said:Not that amazing really, tbh.
At least one poster on here would consider the Social Democrats to be hard care reactionaries.
"Ironically, whinging about virtue signalling seems to be the fashionable way to show what a hard core reactionary you are, and get some likes from your fellow reactionaries".
I bet the SDP never thought they would have to wear that label.
Yes, they are Eurosceptics, is it this that taints your view? If you are Eurosceptic it must follow that you have to be 'hard core reactionary'?
Never occurred to me that the views would be rejected just because the source was Eurosceptic.
Mea culpa. I should've known better.
I don't understand what that link adds to anything. If you are pointing out that the BLMUK group seem to have some pretty unpleasant and downright stupid ideas, then I'll agree with you there. They seem a pretty suspect bunch and tweeting rubbish about Zionism or how black people should under no circumstances engage or cooperate with the police just makes them look stupid. But so what? There are lots of pressure groups at the edges of larger movements at all points of the political spectrum.
I agreed with Rick's post and in fact quoted that I recognised that there is a distinction between the world wide movement and these 'fringe groups' and have not criticised the world wide movement.
Part of the SDP article I linked referenced the way no criticism, real or implied of the BLM movement will be tolerated. The response I received for pointing out the 'unpleasant and downright stupid ideas' seems to bear that out.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Well there were examples in the SDP article you dismissed due to ex UKIP members having joined.rjsterry said:
Does it? There's plenty of criticism of the specific BLMUK group from across the political spectrum if you care to look. As for career ending, who's? We've all been discussing it here; have you been sacked? Don't talk such b******s.ballysmate said:
The real concern is that criticising anything connected, no matter how tenuously to BLM, brings howls of protest from the people 'on message' and even if the criticism is justified, it can spell death to your career.rjsterry said:
I think it is concerning that this one group seems to be piggybacking its other agendas on a larger issue but then that's hardly a pattern we've never seen before. BLMUK have hardly kept quiet about their more extreme views, but it's broken through a bit more now that they have started tweeting about Zionism, That said, it was mentioned on here that they aren't *the* official UK group a couple of weeks back, yet the Spectator article and some of the other reports I have seen describe it as the UK chapter of the movement. From what I can see that is incorrect. This is not a single international organisation. There are many other groups and charities to which people can and have donated, many of which have a far more constructive approach to the problem. Its a shame they haven't had the same publicity. I think it's a mistake to think this one group organised the whole thing.ballysmate said:
At last. That is what I've been saying. People have been quite happy to donate to groups with some 'unpleasant and downright stupid ideas' all because of the prefix BLM. They don't all appear to know the causes they are bankrolling when they hand over their cash. Yes, a lot of movements have pressure groups at the edges, but I would prefer that people know how the money they donate is being used. I accept that your view is "So what?" Your prerogative.rjsterry said:
What on earth has it got to do with left/right or Euroscepticism?ballysmate said:
I used the SDP because they are a pretty much inoffensive bunch and in no way could be described right wing or portrayed as some sort of swivel eyed loons. If I had picked a right wing source, I'm sure you or someone else would've just brandished them fascist.rjsterry said:
Er, no. I just wondered why you plucked them from obscurity to support your point. What next, a link to Gardener's World?ballysmate said:
https://sdp.org.uk/about/rjsterry said:
I thought the SDP was a sort of convalescent home for former UKIP MEPs. I'd say Patrick O'Flynn fits the description pretty well.ballysmate said:Not that amazing really, tbh.
At least one poster on here would consider the Social Democrats to be hard care reactionaries.
"Ironically, whinging about virtue signalling seems to be the fashionable way to show what a hard core reactionary you are, and get some likes from your fellow reactionaries".
I bet the SDP never thought they would have to wear that label.
Yes, they are Eurosceptics, is it this that taints your view? If you are Eurosceptic it must follow that you have to be 'hard core reactionary'?
Never occurred to me that the views would be rejected just because the source was Eurosceptic.
Mea culpa. I should've known better.
I don't understand what that link adds to anything. If you are pointing out that the BLMUK group seem to have some pretty unpleasant and downright stupid ideas, then I'll agree with you there. They seem a pretty suspect bunch and tweeting rubbish about Zionism or how black people should under no circumstances engage or cooperate with the police just makes them look stupid. But so what? There are lots of pressure groups at the edges of larger movements at all points of the political spectrum.
I agreed with Rick's post and in fact quoted that I recognised that there is a distinction between the world wide movement and these 'fringe groups' and have not criticised the world wide movement.
Part of the SDP article I linked referenced the way no criticism, real or implied of the BLM movement will be tolerated. The response I received for pointing out the 'unpleasant and downright stupid ideas' seems to bear that out.
One of the great successes of the campaign is how it has got many institutions in our society applying this block themselves, promoting the organisation and even punishing insiders who publicly question and criticise any activities carried out under the BLM branding. Manx Radio suspended presenter Stu Peters for responding to the movement with the phrase ‘all lives matter’ and questioning the idea of ‘white privilege’ live on air. Literature Wales removed Western Mail journalist Martin Shipton from the Wales Book of the Year judging panel for comments criticising BLM on social distancing. In the mainstream broadcast media, the group has barely been challenged.
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Here's a couple thrown up by a quick Google search:rjsterry said:
Does it? There's plenty of criticism of the specific BLMUK group from across the political spectrum if you care to look. As for career ending, who's? We've all been discussing it here; have you been sacked? Don't talk such b******s.ballysmate said:
The real concern is that criticising anything connected, no matter how tenuously to BLM, brings howls of protest from the people 'on message' and even if the criticism is justified, it can spell death to your career.rjsterry said:
I think it is concerning that this one group seems to be piggybacking its other agendas on a larger issue but then that's hardly a pattern we've never seen before. BLMUK have hardly kept quiet about their more extreme views, but it's broken through a bit more now that they have started tweeting about Zionism, That said, it was mentioned on here that they aren't *the* official UK group a couple of weeks back, yet the Spectator article and some of the other reports I have seen describe it as the UK chapter of the movement. From what I can see that is incorrect. This is not a single international organisation. There are many other groups and charities to which people can and have donated, many of which have a far more constructive approach to the problem. Its a shame they haven't had the same publicity. I think it's a mistake to think this one group organised the whole thing.ballysmate said:
At last. That is what I've been saying. People have been quite happy to donate to groups with some 'unpleasant and downright stupid ideas' all because of the prefix BLM. They don't all appear to know the causes they are bankrolling when they hand over their cash. Yes, a lot of movements have pressure groups at the edges, but I would prefer that people know how the money they donate is being used. I accept that your view is "So what?" Your prerogative.rjsterry said:
What on earth has it got to do with left/right or Euroscepticism?ballysmate said:
I used the SDP because they are a pretty much inoffensive bunch and in no way could be described right wing or portrayed as some sort of swivel eyed loons. If I had picked a right wing source, I'm sure you or someone else would've just brandished them fascist.rjsterry said:
Er, no. I just wondered why you plucked them from obscurity to support your point. What next, a link to Gardener's World?ballysmate said:
https://sdp.org.uk/about/rjsterry said:
I thought the SDP was a sort of convalescent home for former UKIP MEPs. I'd say Patrick O'Flynn fits the description pretty well.ballysmate said:Not that amazing really, tbh.
At least one poster on here would consider the Social Democrats to be hard care reactionaries.
"Ironically, whinging about virtue signalling seems to be the fashionable way to show what a hard core reactionary you are, and get some likes from your fellow reactionaries".
I bet the SDP never thought they would have to wear that label.
Yes, they are Eurosceptics, is it this that taints your view? If you are Eurosceptic it must follow that you have to be 'hard core reactionary'?
Never occurred to me that the views would be rejected just because the source was Eurosceptic.
Mea culpa. I should've known better.
I don't understand what that link adds to anything. If you are pointing out that the BLMUK group seem to have some pretty unpleasant and downright stupid ideas, then I'll agree with you there. They seem a pretty suspect bunch and tweeting rubbish about Zionism or how black people should under no circumstances engage or cooperate with the police just makes them look stupid. But so what? There are lots of pressure groups at the edges of larger movements at all points of the political spectrum.
I agreed with Rick's post and in fact quoted that I recognised that there is a distinction between the world wide movement and these 'fringe groups' and have not criticised the world wide movement.
Part of the SDP article I linked referenced the way no criticism, real or implied of the BLM movement will be tolerated. The response I received for pointing out the 'unpleasant and downright stupid ideas' seems to bear that out.
https://bbc.com/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-52936980
https://dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466913/Award-winning-charity-boss-SACKED-criticising-Black-Lives-Matters-neo-Marxist-agenda.html
As Bally says, Blasphemy!"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Dig out the actual transcript of what the DJ or journalist said and let's have a look at it rather than taking a third hand report.ballysmate said:
Well there were examples in the SDP article you dismissed due to ex UKIP members having joined.rjsterry said:
Does it? There's plenty of criticism of the specific BLMUK group from across the political spectrum if you care to look. As for career ending, who's? We've all been discussing it here; have you been sacked? Don't talk such b******s.ballysmate said:
The real concern is that criticising anything connected, no matter how tenuously to BLM, brings howls of protest from the people 'on message' and even if the criticism is justified, it can spell death to your career.rjsterry said:
I think it is concerning that this one group seems to be piggybacking its other agendas on a larger issue but then that's hardly a pattern we've never seen before. BLMUK have hardly kept quiet about their more extreme views, but it's broken through a bit more now that they have started tweeting about Zionism, That said, it was mentioned on here that they aren't *the* official UK group a couple of weeks back, yet the Spectator article and some of the other reports I have seen describe it as the UK chapter of the movement. From what I can see that is incorrect. This is not a single international organisation. There are many other groups and charities to which people can and have donated, many of which have a far more constructive approach to the problem. Its a shame they haven't had the same publicity. I think it's a mistake to think this one group organised the whole thing.ballysmate said:
At last. That is what I've been saying. People have been quite happy to donate to groups with some 'unpleasant and downright stupid ideas' all because of the prefix BLM. They don't all appear to know the causes they are bankrolling when they hand over their cash. Yes, a lot of movements have pressure groups at the edges, but I would prefer that people know how the money they donate is being used. I accept that your view is "So what?" Your prerogative.rjsterry said:
What on earth has it got to do with left/right or Euroscepticism?ballysmate said:
I used the SDP because they are a pretty much inoffensive bunch and in no way could be described right wing or portrayed as some sort of swivel eyed loons. If I had picked a right wing source, I'm sure you or someone else would've just brandished them fascist.rjsterry said:
Er, no. I just wondered why you plucked them from obscurity to support your point. What next, a link to Gardener's World?ballysmate said:
https://sdp.org.uk/about/rjsterry said:
I thought the SDP was a sort of convalescent home for former UKIP MEPs. I'd say Patrick O'Flynn fits the description pretty well.ballysmate said:Not that amazing really, tbh.
At least one poster on here would consider the Social Democrats to be hard care reactionaries.
"Ironically, whinging about virtue signalling seems to be the fashionable way to show what a hard core reactionary you are, and get some likes from your fellow reactionaries".
I bet the SDP never thought they would have to wear that label.
Yes, they are Eurosceptics, is it this that taints your view? If you are Eurosceptic it must follow that you have to be 'hard core reactionary'?
Never occurred to me that the views would be rejected just because the source was Eurosceptic.
Mea culpa. I should've known better.
I don't understand what that link adds to anything. If you are pointing out that the BLMUK group seem to have some pretty unpleasant and downright stupid ideas, then I'll agree with you there. They seem a pretty suspect bunch and tweeting rubbish about Zionism or how black people should under no circumstances engage or cooperate with the police just makes them look stupid. But so what? There are lots of pressure groups at the edges of larger movements at all points of the political spectrum.
I agreed with Rick's post and in fact quoted that I recognised that there is a distinction between the world wide movement and these 'fringe groups' and have not criticised the world wide movement.
Part of the SDP article I linked referenced the way no criticism, real or implied of the BLM movement will be tolerated. The response I received for pointing out the 'unpleasant and downright stupid ideas' seems to bear that out.
One of the great successes of the campaign is how it has got many institutions in our society applying this block themselves, promoting the organisation and even punishing insiders who publicly question and criticise any activities carried out under the BLM branding. Manx Radio suspended presenter Stu Peters for responding to the movement with the phrase ‘all lives matter’ and questioning the idea of ‘white privilege’ live on air. Literature Wales removed Western Mail journalist Martin Shipton from the Wales Book of the Year judging panel for comments criticising BLM on social distancing. In the mainstream broadcast media, the group has barely been challenged.
Stevo, I think you've you've found the same guy as Bally.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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The transcript of what the radio presenter said is in the BBC link I posted above. Go read, then tell us what crime he committed.rjsterry said:
Dig out the actual transcript of what the DJ or journalist said and let's have a look at it rather than taking a third hand report.ballysmate said:
Well there were examples in the SDP article you dismissed due to ex UKIP members having joined.rjsterry said:
Does it? There's plenty of criticism of the specific BLMUK group from across the political spectrum if you care to look. As for career ending, who's? We've all been discussing it here; have you been sacked? Don't talk such b******s.ballysmate said:
The real concern is that criticising anything connected, no matter how tenuously to BLM, brings howls of protest from the people 'on message' and even if the criticism is justified, it can spell death to your career.rjsterry said:
I think it is concerning that this one group seems to be piggybacking its other agendas on a larger issue but then that's hardly a pattern we've never seen before. BLMUK have hardly kept quiet about their more extreme views, but it's broken through a bit more now that they have started tweeting about Zionism, That said, it was mentioned on here that they aren't *the* official UK group a couple of weeks back, yet the Spectator article and some of the other reports I have seen describe it as the UK chapter of the movement. From what I can see that is incorrect. This is not a single international organisation. There are many other groups and charities to which people can and have donated, many of which have a far more constructive approach to the problem. Its a shame they haven't had the same publicity. I think it's a mistake to think this one group organised the whole thing.ballysmate said:
At last. That is what I've been saying. People have been quite happy to donate to groups with some 'unpleasant and downright stupid ideas' all because of the prefix BLM. They don't all appear to know the causes they are bankrolling when they hand over their cash. Yes, a lot of movements have pressure groups at the edges, but I would prefer that people know how the money they donate is being used. I accept that your view is "So what?" Your prerogative.rjsterry said:
What on earth has it got to do with left/right or Euroscepticism?ballysmate said:
I used the SDP because they are a pretty much inoffensive bunch and in no way could be described right wing or portrayed as some sort of swivel eyed loons. If I had picked a right wing source, I'm sure you or someone else would've just brandished them fascist.rjsterry said:
Er, no. I just wondered why you plucked them from obscurity to support your point. What next, a link to Gardener's World?ballysmate said:
https://sdp.org.uk/about/rjsterry said:
I thought the SDP was a sort of convalescent home for former UKIP MEPs. I'd say Patrick O'Flynn fits the description pretty well.ballysmate said:Not that amazing really, tbh.
At least one poster on here would consider the Social Democrats to be hard care reactionaries.
"Ironically, whinging about virtue signalling seems to be the fashionable way to show what a hard core reactionary you are, and get some likes from your fellow reactionaries".
I bet the SDP never thought they would have to wear that label.
Yes, they are Eurosceptics, is it this that taints your view? If you are Eurosceptic it must follow that you have to be 'hard core reactionary'?
Never occurred to me that the views would be rejected just because the source was Eurosceptic.
Mea culpa. I should've known better.
I don't understand what that link adds to anything. If you are pointing out that the BLMUK group seem to have some pretty unpleasant and downright stupid ideas, then I'll agree with you there. They seem a pretty suspect bunch and tweeting rubbish about Zionism or how black people should under no circumstances engage or cooperate with the police just makes them look stupid. But so what? There are lots of pressure groups at the edges of larger movements at all points of the political spectrum.
I agreed with Rick's post and in fact quoted that I recognised that there is a distinction between the world wide movement and these 'fringe groups' and have not criticised the world wide movement.
Part of the SDP article I linked referenced the way no criticism, real or implied of the BLM movement will be tolerated. The response I received for pointing out the 'unpleasant and downright stupid ideas' seems to bear that out.
One of the great successes of the campaign is how it has got many institutions in our society applying this block themselves, promoting the organisation and even punishing insiders who publicly question and criticise any activities carried out under the BLM branding. Manx Radio suspended presenter Stu Peters for responding to the movement with the phrase ‘all lives matter’ and questioning the idea of ‘white privilege’ live on air. Literature Wales removed Western Mail journalist Martin Shipton from the Wales Book of the Year judging panel for comments criticising BLM on social distancing. In the mainstream broadcast media, the group has barely been challenged.
Stevo, you've found the same guy as Bally."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]2 -
White lives matter Burnley
White Lives Don’t Matter. As white lives.
One of these statements gets you sacked from work, the other is no hindrance to being elevated to professor at Cambridge University.
Don't scratch your head too much working out which is which.
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And here is what Nick Buckley wrote:
https://tfa.net/nick_buckley_must_be_reinstated_as_ceo_of_mancunian_way
Same again RJS, do tell us what his crime is."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]2 -
Come on Stevo, get with the programme. The guy wasn't on message and had to go.Stevo_666 said:
The transcript of what the radio presenter said is in the BBC link I posted above. Go read, then tell us what crime he committed.rjsterry said:
Dig out the actual transcript of what the DJ or journalist said and let's have a look at it rather than taking a third hand report.ballysmate said:
Well there were examples in the SDP article you dismissed due to ex UKIP members having joined.rjsterry said:
Does it? There's plenty of criticism of the specific BLMUK group from across the political spectrum if you care to look. As for career ending, who's? We've all been discussing it here; have you been sacked? Don't talk such b******s.ballysmate said:
The real concern is that criticising anything connected, no matter how tenuously to BLM, brings howls of protest from the people 'on message' and even if the criticism is justified, it can spell death to your career.rjsterry said:
I think it is concerning that this one group seems to be piggybacking its other agendas on a larger issue but then that's hardly a pattern we've never seen before. BLMUK have hardly kept quiet about their more extreme views, but it's broken through a bit more now that they have started tweeting about Zionism, That said, it was mentioned on here that they aren't *the* official UK group a couple of weeks back, yet the Spectator article and some of the other reports I have seen describe it as the UK chapter of the movement. From what I can see that is incorrect. This is not a single international organisation. There are many other groups and charities to which people can and have donated, many of which have a far more constructive approach to the problem. Its a shame they haven't had the same publicity. I think it's a mistake to think this one group organised the whole thing.ballysmate said:
At last. That is what I've been saying. People have been quite happy to donate to groups with some 'unpleasant and downright stupid ideas' all because of the prefix BLM. They don't all appear to know the causes they are bankrolling when they hand over their cash. Yes, a lot of movements have pressure groups at the edges, but I would prefer that people know how the money they donate is being used. I accept that your view is "So what?" Your prerogative.rjsterry said:
What on earth has it got to do with left/right or Euroscepticism?ballysmate said:
I used the SDP because they are a pretty much inoffensive bunch and in no way could be described right wing or portrayed as some sort of swivel eyed loons. If I had picked a right wing source, I'm sure you or someone else would've just brandished them fascist.rjsterry said:
Er, no. I just wondered why you plucked them from obscurity to support your point. What next, a link to Gardener's World?ballysmate said:
https://sdp.org.uk/about/rjsterry said:
I thought the SDP was a sort of convalescent home for former UKIP MEPs. I'd say Patrick O'Flynn fits the description pretty well.ballysmate said:Not that amazing really, tbh.
At least one poster on here would consider the Social Democrats to be hard care reactionaries.
"Ironically, whinging about virtue signalling seems to be the fashionable way to show what a hard core reactionary you are, and get some likes from your fellow reactionaries".
I bet the SDP never thought they would have to wear that label.
Yes, they are Eurosceptics, is it this that taints your view? If you are Eurosceptic it must follow that you have to be 'hard core reactionary'?
Never occurred to me that the views would be rejected just because the source was Eurosceptic.
Mea culpa. I should've known better.
I don't understand what that link adds to anything. If you are pointing out that the BLMUK group seem to have some pretty unpleasant and downright stupid ideas, then I'll agree with you there. They seem a pretty suspect bunch and tweeting rubbish about Zionism or how black people should under no circumstances engage or cooperate with the police just makes them look stupid. But so what? There are lots of pressure groups at the edges of larger movements at all points of the political spectrum.
I agreed with Rick's post and in fact quoted that I recognised that there is a distinction between the world wide movement and these 'fringe groups' and have not criticised the world wide movement.
Part of the SDP article I linked referenced the way no criticism, real or implied of the BLM movement will be tolerated. The response I received for pointing out the 'unpleasant and downright stupid ideas' seems to bear that out.
One of the great successes of the campaign is how it has got many institutions in our society applying this block themselves, promoting the organisation and even punishing insiders who publicly question and criticise any activities carried out under the BLM branding. Manx Radio suspended presenter Stu Peters for responding to the movement with the phrase ‘all lives matter’ and questioning the idea of ‘white privilege’ live on air. Literature Wales removed Western Mail journalist Martin Shipton from the Wales Book of the Year judging panel for comments criticising BLM on social distancing. In the mainstream broadcast media, the group has barely been challenged.
Stevo, you've found the same guy as Bally.1 -
Stevo_666 said:
And here is what Nick Buckley wrote:
https://tfa.net/nick_buckley_must_be_reinstated_as_ceo_of_mancunian_way
Same again RJS, do tell us what his crime is.
Can't see any crime there, unless of course he had anything to do with any ex UKIP members?Stevo_666 said:And here is what Nick Buckley wrote:
https://tfa.net/nick_buckley_must_be_reinstated_as_ceo_of_mancunian_way
Same again RJS, do tell us what his crime is.
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Perhaps he has been trying to get his money back?Stevo_666 said:
I notice Pangolin has been online today but hasn't commented. Might suggest he was suckeredkingstongraham said:Donating to left wing groups with somewhat questionable records on anti-Semitism just to wind people up has a proud history on this website. I'm glad to see it upheld.
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