Edward Colston/Trans rights/Stamp collecting
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Or they could see if pulling it does actually move the garage door?ballysmate said:kingstongraham said:
Perhaps they could release the video evidence of it being there last October, eight months before the garage being allocated?0 -
Bit disappointed you never answered who you thought the display of solidarity was calling tensions between.ballysmate said:kingstongraham said:
Perhaps they could release the video evidence of it being there last October, eight months before the garage being allocated?0 -
Tbh I thought it would've been obvious.rick_chasey said:
Bit disappointed you never answered who you thought the display of solidarity was calling tensions between.ballysmate said:kingstongraham said:
Perhaps they could release the video evidence of it being there last October, eight months before the garage being allocated?
After several high profile cases involving excessive use of force against the black population by US law enforcement agencies, the drivers publicised this as another racially motivated incident.0 -
I was confused because I was struggling to see anyone who would be opposed to the show of solidarity other than racists, which is why I wanted to tease out the answer.ballysmate said:
Tbh I thought it would've been obvious.rick_chasey said:
Bit disappointed you never answered who you thought the display of solidarity was calling tensions between.ballysmate said:kingstongraham said:
Perhaps they could release the video evidence of it being there last October, eight months before the garage being allocated?
After several high profile cases involving excessive use of force against the black population by US law enforcement agencies, the drivers publicised this as another racially motivated incident.0 -
Do the other garages have similar ropes to shut the doors?0
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Yes they do.veronese68 said:Do the other garages have similar ropes to shut the doors?
But they look somewhat different
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I could not class those as ropestailwindhome said:
Yes they do.veronese68 said:Do the other garages have similar ropes to shut the doors?
But they look somewhat different0 -
Rope or not, if the only one tied into a noose is in the garage of the only black driver it seems to be a little more than coincidence.0
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In the UK I wouldn't really associate a noose with lynching but it'd be understandable if that is the association in the southern states of the USA.
Let's be honest - if that's the case and the latest photo is genuine that has been done with racist intent even if it wasn't to target Bubba (I'm not on first name terms just can't remember his second name - was going to say Watson but got a feeling that's a golfer!).
The original picture was from a distance and looked a bit less noose like - but then being from a distance it's not enough to say it's not the same knot/noose.
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my point was that Bubba's noose had not been fashioned from an existing "rope pull" which suggests that it was not unthinking idle hands.veronese68 said:Rope or not, if the only one tied into a noose is in the garage of the only black driver it seems to be a little more than coincidence.
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coincidentally this popped up on my FB feed which does a good job of explaining to likes of us the continued significance of the nooseDeVlaeminck said:In the UK I wouldn't really associate a noose with lynching but it'd be understandable if that is the association in the southern states of the USA.
Let's be honest - if that's the case and the latest photo is genuine that has been done with racist intent even if it wasn't to target Bubba (I'm not on first name terms just can't remember his second name - was going to say Watson but got a feeling that's a golfer!).
The original picture was from a distance and looked a bit less noose like - but then being from a distance it's not enough to say it's not the same knot/noose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYYDgYWc3lE 0 -
But it had been there for months according to the FBI so that would mean it was there on the off chance he'd one day use the garage And see if a racist person did it (unlikely) it's hardly surprising that there are racists in a country of 350m. The response of the other drivers shows racists aren't welcome.veronese68 said:Rope or not, if the only one tied into a noose is in the garage of the only black driver it seems to be a little more than coincidence.
Yet another BS racism story just like Jussie Smollett.1 -
Woah there - it is NOT like Jussie Smollett.nickice said:
But it had been there for months according to the FBI so that would mean it was there on the off chance he'd one day use the garage And see if a racist person did it (unlikely) it's hardly surprising that there are racists in a country of 350m. The response of the other drivers shows racists aren't welcome.veronese68 said:Rope or not, if the only one tied into a noose is in the garage of the only black driver it seems to be a little more than coincidence.
Yet another BS racism story just like Jussie Smollett.0 -
Maybe someone is just immature? When I was in Scouts someone fashioned a rope into a noose.DeVlaeminck said:In the UK I wouldn't really associate a noose with lynching but it'd be understandable if that is the association in the southern states of the USA.
Let's be honest - if that's the case and the latest photo is genuine that has been done with racist intent even if it wasn't to target Bubba (I'm not on first name terms just can't remember his second name - was going to say Watson but got a feeling that's a golfer!).
The original picture was from a distance and looked a bit less noose like - but then being from a distance it's not enough to say it's not the same knot/noose.0 -
That seems an entirely mature way of dealing with it. I think we can all agree that it did look quite noose-y.1 -
Who knew? The Church of All Saints are not so saintly when tying up their bell ropes.
How's this for a bit of graphic symbolism?
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
I see no noose there.0
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Sorry, what was the point of this?blazing_saddles said:Who knew? The Church of All Saints are not so saintly when tying up their bell ropes.
How's this for a bit of graphic symbolism?0 -
The traditional tying would have the rope looped back around itself 13 times. Not normally used like that though.
What you have in those pictures is traditionally called "not a noose".0 -
The whole "ah, but this symbol out of context doesn't mean the same thing as the symbol in context, so people who are offended by the symbol in context are stupid" argument is so weird.
Why are you making that point?0 -
FFS. That's clearly not a noose. It's a very distinctive knot. If you are going to troll, put some effort in.blazing_saddles said:Who knew? The Church of All Saints are not so saintly when tying up their bell ropes.
How's this for a bit of graphic symbolism?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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But were your scouts in the southern states of the USA?nickice said:
Maybe someone is just immature? When I was in Scouts someone fashioned a rope into a noose.DeVlaeminck said:In the UK I wouldn't really associate a noose with lynching but it'd be understandable if that is the association in the southern states of the USA.
Let's be honest - if that's the case and the latest photo is genuine that has been done with racist intent even if it wasn't to target Bubba (I'm not on first name terms just can't remember his second name - was going to say Watson but got a feeling that's a golfer!).
The original picture was from a distance and looked a bit less noose like - but then being from a distance it's not enough to say it's not the same knot/noose.
It may have been immature but assuming the noose does have a different significance over there - which seems a reasonable assumption - it's still a racist act albeit one done out of immaturity rather than some strongly held racist views.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
It had been there for months and he didn't even see it. It was roundly condemned and not a single person came out to defend it (when they thought it was aimed at him). This whole thing is a joke. And BLM (as an organisation) is a joke too.DeVlaeminck said:
But were your scouts in the southern states of the USA?nickice said:
Maybe someone is just immature? When I was in Scouts someone fashioned a rope into a noose.DeVlaeminck said:In the UK I wouldn't really associate a noose with lynching but it'd be understandable if that is the association in the southern states of the USA.
Let's be honest - if that's the case and the latest photo is genuine that has been done with racist intent even if it wasn't to target Bubba (I'm not on first name terms just can't remember his second name - was going to say Watson but got a feeling that's a golfer!).
The original picture was from a distance and looked a bit less noose like - but then being from a distance it's not enough to say it's not the same knot/noose.
It may have been immature but assuming the noose does have a different significance over there - which seems a reasonable assumption - it's still a racist act albeit one done out of immaturity rather than some strongly held racist views.0 -
Because intent matters? I know you think it doesn't.rick_chasey said:The whole "ah, but this symbol out of context doesn't mean the same thing as the symbol in context, so people who are offended by the symbol in context are stupid" argument is so weird.
Why are you making that point?0 -
maybe they just don't like Bubba because of his personality?
Is there a pattern of similar incidents with other Black Nascar drivers?
maybe he could accept nascar is a hillbilly sport and switch to a more liberal, metropolitan form a motor racing with a more diverse drivership such as F!?0 -
My son liked it when I did animal impressions. He used to like when I pretended to be a monkey. I remember him once getting me to do it in the supermarket and when I looked up there was a black cashier (who I doubt heard) quite nearby. Was that a racist incident?0
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nickice said:
It had been there for months and he didn't even see it. It was roundly condemned and not a single person came out to defend it (when they thought it was aimed at him). This whole thing is a joke. And BLM (as an organisation) is a joke too.DeVlaeminck said:
But were your scouts in the southern states of the USA?nickice said:
Maybe someone is just immature? When I was in Scouts someone fashioned a rope into a noose.DeVlaeminck said:In the UK I wouldn't really associate a noose with lynching but it'd be understandable if that is the association in the southern states of the USA.
Let's be honest - if that's the case and the latest photo is genuine that has been done with racist intent even if it wasn't to target Bubba (I'm not on first name terms just can't remember his second name - was going to say Watson but got a feeling that's a golfer!).
The original picture was from a distance and looked a bit less noose like - but then being from a distance it's not enough to say it's not the same knot/noose.
It may have been immature but assuming the noose does have a different significance over there - which seems a reasonable assumption - it's still a racist act albeit one done out of immaturity rather than some strongly held racist views.
Well I can see why some kind of investigation would be warranted if you found a noose in a nascar garage - especially if that garage was assigned to the only black driver.
I suppose the equivalent in the UK would be for Lewis Hamilton to be assigned a garage with BNP scrawled on the wall - those running F1 would want to find out who, why, when etc. If it turned out it had been there 9 months I might be asking why but I suppose a noose *may* be a little less obvious.
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What other black nascar drivers?surrey_commuter said:maybe they just don't like Bubba because of his personality?
Is there a pattern of similar incidents with other Black Nascar drivers?
maybe he could accept nascar is a hillbilly sport and switch to a more liberal, metropolitan form a motor racing with a more diverse drivership such as F!?
The story is a bit bizzare. Man sees symbol with what are unquestionably racist connotations had it been left deliberately for him. Fellow drivers show support for him, which is quite a classy act. Investigation shows that the knot hadn't been left for him. Which is also good news, although obviously it's a fairly dubious symbol in the deep south.1 -
the outcome of the white drivers showing solidarity has to be a plus pointJeremy.89 said:
What other black nascar drivers?surrey_commuter said:maybe they just don't like Bubba because of his personality?
Is there a pattern of similar incidents with other Black Nascar drivers?
maybe he could accept nascar is a hillbilly sport and switch to a more liberal, metropolitan form a motor racing with a more diverse drivership such as F!?
The story is a bit bizzare. Man sees symbol with what are unquestionably racist connotations had it been left deliberately for him. Fellow drivers show support for him, which is quite a classy act. Investigation shows that the knot hadn't been left for him. Which is also good news, although obviously it's a fairly dubious symbol in the deep south.1 -
Yeah you'd have to question the fan base any sport which is almost predominantly white these days...oh hang on...!Jeremy.89 said:
What other black nascar drivers?surrey_commuter said:maybe they just don't like Bubba because of his personality?
Is there a pattern of similar incidents with other Black Nascar drivers?
maybe he could accept nascar is a hillbilly sport and switch to a more liberal, metropolitan form a motor racing with a more diverse drivership such as F!?
The story is a bit bizzare. Man sees symbol with what are unquestionably racist connotations had it been left deliberately for him. Fellow drivers show support for him, which is quite a classy act. Investigation shows that the knot hadn't been left for him. Which is also good news, although obviously it's a fairly dubious symbol in the deep south.
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