Froome thinking about leaving Ineos

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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    Servais Knaven, talking to Dutch media (Google translation): "During the Tour there will all be questions whether the fact that Chris is leaving affects his status in the team, but I see no reason why his now position would be different now. We want to win the Tour. And if Chris is the best, he wins. That he will leave us after this year really makes no difference."

    So I guess he's doing the Tour.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Ha.

    Knaven is flatter in his delivery than the Dutch Polder. Always has been.

    Very easy to see why skyineos like having him around.

    Couldn't drum up any drama even if he tried.
    _
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    RichN95. said:

    pblakeney said:

    Can anyone remember a more promising build up in the past 30 years?
    Probably end up as a dirge with the Ineos train and a 1,2 ,3.
    We can but hope not.


    The 2015 Tour, of which I'm a fan, was billed as a showdown of the 'Big Four'. The previous year Quintana, Nibali and Contador had won the GTs and Froome had won the Tour before that. They big names were all there.
    Best you avoid Eurosport's current "tribute" to 2015 as they have managed to select some of the most boring stages in the whole race.
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  • RichN95.
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    blazing_saddles said:

    RichN95. said:

    pblakeney said:

    Can anyone remember a more promising build up in the past 30 years?
    Probably end up as a dirge with the Ineos train and a 1,2 ,3.
    We can but hope not.


    The 2015 Tour, of which I'm a fan, was billed as a showdown of the 'Big Four'. The previous year Quintana, Nibali and Contador had won the GTs and Froome had won the Tour before that. They big names were all there.
    Best you avoid Eurosport's current "tribute" to 2015 as they have managed to select some of the most boring stages in the whole race.
    They're bizarrely leaving out two of the better stages near the end - the one where Nibali won and Bardet's debut stage win.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    edited July 2020
    I wonder if Brailsford is watching the cricket.

    There England had two ageing legends (Anderson, Broad) and an exciting newcomer (Archer) and decided they couldn't play together. They dropped Broad and they've struggled so far. Maybe it's just because the guy who usually runs the tactics isn't there.
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    Where's Bess in this scenario? He's been the most impressive so far
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    edited July 2020
    bobmcstuff said:

    Where's Bess in this scenario? He's been the most impressive so far


    He's a spinner. Basically a classics rider like Rowe or Moscon who can hold up an end. Maybe he'll upgrade to Swann/Kwaitkowski in time. Although Stokes is Kwaito.
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  • zest28
    zest28 Posts: 403
    I can't see Egan being able to carry Team Ineos like Chris did if even Julian gives Egan so much trouble.

    Contador is probably kicking himself why he is not in this era of cycling as he would destroy everybody with ease today.

  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    zest28 said:

    I can't see Egan being able to carry Team Ineos like Chris did if even Julian gives Egan so much trouble.

    Contador is probably kicking himself why he is not in this era of cycling as he would destroy everybody with ease today.

    Contador lost his mojo when he should still have been able to destroy everybody with ease.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    edited July 2020
    blazing_saddles said:

    zest28 said:

    I can't see Egan being able to carry Team Ineos like Chris did if even Julian gives Egan so much trouble.

    Contador is probably kicking himself why he is not in this era of cycling as he would destroy everybody with ease today.

    Contador lost his mojo when he should still have been able to destroy everybody with ease.

    He's still got some form it seems. How about a comeback? Image Froome and Contador riding together on the same team.
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  • robnewcastle
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  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,340
    RichN95. said:

    I wonder if Brailsford is watching the cricket.

    There England had two ageing legends (Anderson, Broad) and an exciting newcomer (Archer) and decided they couldn't play together. They dropped Broad and they've struggled so far. Maybe it's just because the guy who usually runs the tactics isn't there.

    I think the closer cycling analogy would be that you've got a course with lots and lots of time trialling and you're bringing a team of pure climbers instead.

    Feels like they expected Archer and Wood to be ripping it up on a fast wicket whereas the conditions and pitch would have suited Broad better. Don't think it's about trying to bring on the future too quickly, although I think they've maybe got a little too giddy about the prospect.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    RichN95. said:

    blazing_saddles said:

    zest28 said:

    I can't see Egan being able to carry Team Ineos like Chris did if even Julian gives Egan so much trouble.

    Contador is probably kicking himself why he is not in this era of cycling as he would destroy everybody with ease today.

    Contador lost his mojo when he should still have been able to destroy everybody with ease.

    He's still got some form it seems. How about a comeback? Image Froome and Contador riding together on the same team.
    Isn’t it that age erodes the fast speed much more than the slow speed, so 8 hour Everest stuff is still in the ballpark of fit ex pros but maybe not an actual race?
    _
  • zest28
    zest28 Posts: 403
    edited July 2020
    blazing_saddles said:

    zest28 said:

    I can't see Egan being able to carry Team Ineos like Chris did if even Julian gives Egan so much trouble.

    Contador is probably kicking himself why he is not in this era of cycling as he would destroy everybody with ease today.

    Contador lost his mojo when he should still have been able to destroy everybody with ease.
    I am talking about a Contador in his prime. I have been looking at some numbers of the current riders in the field and Contador his power number was way higher than anyone in the current field despite Contador being a lightweight climber. The current field of riders is quite weak in comparison to titans like Contador.

    So maybe Froome might be able to do some magic next year as he doesn’t need to be as good as he was in his prime to win again.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    zest28 said:

    I can't see Egan being able to carry Team Ineos like Chris did if even Julian gives Egan so much trouble.

    Contador is probably kicking himself why he is not in this era of cycling as he would destroy everybody with ease today.

    I'm amazed no-one picked up your triathlete that was allegedly better than all the pro cyclists. Maybe Ineos have him lined up as Froome's replacement which is why that let Froome leave.
  • zest28
    zest28 Posts: 403
    edited July 2020
    Pross said:

    zest28 said:

    I can't see Egan being able to carry Team Ineos like Chris did if even Julian gives Egan so much trouble.

    Contador is probably kicking himself why he is not in this era of cycling as he would destroy everybody with ease today.

    I'm amazed no-one picked up your triathlete that was allegedly better than all the pro cyclists. Maybe Ineos have him lined up as Froome's replacement which is why that let Froome leave.
    Those are your words. I only compared pro triahtletes against current pro cyclists (who are also around 380 - 400 watts range). Triathletes got nothing on titans like Contador.

    Titans like Contador are on a whole different level. We are talking about someone who had a FTP of over 7W/kg and he could defeat Team Sky all by himself. Nobody in current pro cycling is close to those numbers.




  • RichN95.
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    zest28 said:



    Titans like Contador are on a whole different level. We are talking about someone who had a FTP of over 7W/kg and he could defeat Team Sky all by himself. Nobody in current pro cycling is close to those numbers.

    I'm going to assume you are just joking. But just in case, Contador didn't come close to 7W/kg. I don't think even Armstrong or Pantani did.

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  • zest28
    zest28 Posts: 403
    edited July 2020
    RichN95. said:

    zest28 said:



    Titans like Contador are on a whole different level. We are talking about someone who had a FTP of over 7W/kg and he could defeat Team Sky all by himself. Nobody in current pro cycling is close to those numbers.

    I'm going to assume you are just joking. But just in case, Contador didn't come close to 7W/kg. I don't think even Armstrong or Pantani did.

    Some of Contador numbers are published and you can see that he was pushing 7.4W/kg for 20 minutes, which means he has a FTP of 7.1W/kg in his prime.

    Chris implied from an interview that he also capable of doing 7W/kg (470 Watts) but he never backed his words with real numbers like Contador did. So hence why I am a bit of the fence of how good Froome was in his prime.

  • blazing_saddles
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    RichN95. said:

    zest28 said:



    Titans like Contador are on a whole different level. We are talking about someone who had a FTP of over 7W/kg and he could defeat Team Sky all by himself. Nobody in current pro cycling is close to those numbers.

    I'm going to assume you are just joking. But just in case, Contador didn't come close to 7W/kg. I don't think even Armstrong or Pantani did.

    Verbier was around the 6.8 W/kg which was his high water mark.
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  • RichN95.
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    edited July 2020
    blazing_saddles said:

    RichN95. said:

    zest28 said:



    Titans like Contador are on a whole different level. We are talking about someone who had a FTP of over 7W/kg and he could defeat Team Sky all by himself. Nobody in current pro cycling is close to those numbers.

    I'm going to assume you are just joking. But just in case, Contador didn't come close to 7W/kg. I don't think even Armstrong or Pantani did.

    Verbier was around the 6.8 W/kg which was his high water mark.

    Is that a Vayer estimate? I'm unconvinced either way. How long was Verbier? 20 minutes? Or less? Is it FTP? We know Pinot can do 7.5 W/kg for 5 minutes.
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  • blazing_saddles
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    edited July 2020
    RichN95. said:

    blazing_saddles said:

    RichN95. said:

    zest28 said:



    Titans like Contador are on a whole different level. We are talking about someone who had a FTP of over 7W/kg and he could defeat Team Sky all by himself. Nobody in current pro cycling is close to those numbers.

    I'm going to assume you are just joking. But just in case, Contador didn't come close to 7W/kg. I don't think even Armstrong or Pantani did.

    Verbier was around the 6.8 W/kg which was his high water mark.

    Is that a Vayer estimate? I'm unconvinced either way. How long was Verbier? 20 minutes? Or less? Is it FTP? We know Pinot can do 7.5 W/kg for 5 minutes.

    Doc Ferrari.

    He's quoted here but the link to the 53x12 page no longer works.

    https://sportsscientists.com/2009/07/tour-2009-contador-climb/
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  • RichN95.
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    blazing_saddles said:




    Doc Ferrari.

    He's quoted here but the link to the 53x12 page no longer works.

    https://sportsscientists.com/2009/07/tour-2009-contador-climb/


    Ok. So not actually measured properly. As a numbers kind of guy these estimates don't do it for me. Also Ferrari and Tucker would have had anti-Contador agenda's

    Going back to the earlier post, Froome's FTP has been around 400W from the WCC days to now. At 67kg - 6 W/kg. And that's delivered 7 GTs. An FTP 10-15% bigger is nonsense even in the EPO era.
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  • zest28
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    edited July 2020
    RichN95. said:

    blazing_saddles said:




    Doc Ferrari.

    He's quoted here but the link to the 53x12 page no longer works.

    https://sportsscientists.com/2009/07/tour-2009-contador-climb/


    Ok. So not actually measured properly. As a numbers kind of guy these estimates don't do it for me. Also Ferrari and Tucker would have had anti-Contador agenda's

    Going back to the earlier post, Froome's FTP has been around 400W from the WCC days to now. At 67kg - 6 W/kg. And that's delivered 7 GTs. An FTP 10-15% bigger is nonsense even in the EPO era.
    https://road.cc/content/tech-news/244996-alberto-contador-reveals-power-data-his-tour-de-france-winning-days

    There is a screenshot of Contador his own power unit included.

    For a guy who could single handily beat Team Sky with limited resources and help from his team and also defeating Lance Armstrong, I do not dispute Contador his power unit.
  • RichN95.
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    edited July 2020
    zest28 said:



    For a guy who could single handily beat Team Sky with limited resources .


    But only ever once did, when both he and Froome were coming off an injury
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  • sherer
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    @zest28 it's a random photo with no info on when it was taken. We have to take Contadors word on what is weight was to work out any meaning from the numbers.

    Looking at the heart rate that is far too high and cadence too low, so straight away there are warning signs on the pic too.

  • TheBigBean
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    RichN95. said:

    zest28 said:



    For a guy who could single handily beat Team Sky with limited resources .


    But only ever once did, when both he and Froome were coming off an injury
    I think he was a better rider for the whole of 2014.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,717
    edited July 2020
    Having been up and down Verbier 700 odd times, I can confirm it's pretty short by Alpine standards...

    (By Swiss standards, it's not even that steep...)
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  • Pross
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    RichN95. said:

    zest28 said:



    Titans like Contador are on a whole different level. We are talking about someone who had a FTP of over 7W/kg and he could defeat Team Sky all by himself. Nobody in current pro cycling is close to those numbers.

    I'm going to assume you are just joking. But just in case, Contador didn't come close to 7W/kg. I don't think even Armstrong or Pantani did.

    Let's face it, the trolling is about as subtle as an American stand up comedian being 'satrirical'.
  • Lanterne_Rogue
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    edited July 2020
    zest28 said:



    Titans like Contador are on a whole different level. We are talking about someone who had a FTP of over 7W/kg and he could defeat Team Sky all by himself. Nobody in current pro cycling is close to those numbers.




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    Also thought it's the return of his frenchiness! ;)
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