The big Coronavirus thread
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GoTheBigBean said:Is it time for a new discussion? Controlled infection.
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I think it's time for this, as some forumites are clearly needing it:
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No, please.TheBigBean said:Is it time for a new discussion? Controlled infection.
Actually, "leave" voters first and I'm in favour. Can you get herd immunity at 52%... oh, wait, it was only ever 52% for about 3 hours on one day several years ago wasn't it. Silly me.
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Controlled infection of low risk individuals will speed up herd immunity and act as a vaccine. Twenty something Londoners apply here. Etc. It will also give a good understanding of the level of asymptomatic people.tailwindhome said:0 -
I've noticed a distinct increase in a "sod it" attitude to the restrictions since Sunday.
I predict an informal loosening of restrictions followed by official sanction. Much like the restrictions were started before being made official.
Let the second wave begin....
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
+1bompington said:I think it's time for this, as some forumites are clearly needing it:
The thread is just going round in circles."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Death rate of 20-29 year olds is 1 in 25,000.TheBigBean said:
Controlled infection of low risk individuals will speed up herd immunity and act as a vaccine. Twenty something Londoners apply here. Etc. It will also give a good understanding of the level of asymptomatic people.tailwindhome said:
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You should add it to any thread with predictions of what will happen in bike races.bompington said:I think it's time for this, as some forumites are clearly needing it:
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The huge problem now is a large number of the population have the mindset that if they catch C19 they are going to die. Government messaging has created a "Project Fear on steriods" situation when the reality is far from this.Pross said:
As a result around half of non-ICU beds are empty and there was concern expressed by NHS heads that people are not attending hospital when they should be (Welsh figures but I suspect similar in many parts of England). Don't you think the non-attendance due to fear would be reduced if restrictions get eased as it would give a message that it's actually not as dangerous out there as it was?rick_chasey said:Argh, the hospitals are stopping non-urgent stuff *BECAUSE OF THE STRAIN OF CORONA ON THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM*.
*MORE CORONA CASES WILL MEAN EVEN MORE STRAIN ON HEALTHCARE*.
*PEOPLE AREN'T REPORTING THINGS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO BE A BURDEN OR ARE WORRIED ABOUT GETTING CORONA*
less corona cases = more hospital ability to handle other illnesses.
These are the death stats from C19 for different age groups.
20-29 0.004%(1 in 25,000)
30-39 0.007%(1 in 14,000)
40-49 0.014%(1 in 7,000)
50-59 0.103%(1 in 970)
60-69 0.492%(1 in 203)
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How do you keep the infection within that cohort?TheBigBean said:
Controlled infection of low risk individuals will speed up herd immunity and act as a vaccine. Twenty something Londoners apply here. Etc. It will also give a good understanding of the level of asymptomatic people.tailwindhome said:
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How does your approach stop the second wave happening at the same time as the winter flu season?tailwindhome said:
How do you keep the infection within that cohort?TheBigBean said:
Controlled infection of low risk individuals will speed up herd immunity and act as a vaccine. Twenty something Londoners apply here. Etc. It will also give a good understanding of the level of asymptomatic people.tailwindhome said:
How do you propose we vaccinate for flu all the old and vulnerable under your approach?0 -
Well, you just have large numbers of young people self isolating at the same time. What could possibly go wrong?tailwindhome said:
How do you keep the infection within that cohort?TheBigBean said:
Controlled infection of low risk individuals will speed up herd immunity and act as a vaccine. Twenty something Londoners apply here. Etc. It will also give a good understanding of the level of asymptomatic people.tailwindhome said:0 -
How does that answer the question?coopster_the_1st said:
How does your approach stop the second wave happening at the same time as the winter flu season?tailwindhome said:
How do you keep the infection within that cohort?TheBigBean said:
Controlled infection of low risk individuals will speed up herd immunity and act as a vaccine. Twenty something Londoners apply here. Etc. It will also give a good understanding of the level of asymptomatic people.tailwindhome said:
How do you propose we vaccinate for flu all the old and vulnerable under your approach?
It's not even a difficult one. They can go into all the hotels that are empty.0 -
You've lost me in your sarcasm.First.Aspect said:
Well, you just have large numbers of young people self isolating at the same time. What could possibly go wrong?tailwindhome said:
How do you keep the infection within that cohort?TheBigBean said:
Controlled infection of low risk individuals will speed up herd immunity and act as a vaccine. Twenty something Londoners apply here. Etc. It will also give a good understanding of the level of asymptomatic people.tailwindhome said:
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I mean in this case, the holiday camp idea might even work.0
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Proper isolation with criminal consequences for failing. The question is for how long it would be necessary. I think two weeks would be fine for participants, but I'm guessing given the incubation period it may need to be longer.tailwindhome said:
How do you keep the infection within that cohort?TheBigBean said:
Controlled infection of low risk individuals will speed up herd immunity and act as a vaccine. Twenty something Londoners apply here. Etc. It will also give a good understanding of the level of asymptomatic people.tailwindhome said:
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Is winter flu going to be such an issue with those self isolating?coopster_the_1st said:
How does your approach stop the second wave happening at the same time as the winter flu season?tailwindhome said:
How do you keep the infection within that cohort?TheBigBean said:
Controlled infection of low risk individuals will speed up herd immunity and act as a vaccine. Twenty something Londoners apply here. Etc. It will also give a good understanding of the level of asymptomatic people.tailwindhome said:
How do you propose we vaccinate for flu all the old and vulnerable under your approach?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Why would we not be able to vaccinate for flu?coopster_the_1st said:
How does your approach stop the second wave happening at the same time as the winter flu season?tailwindhome said:
How do you keep the infection within that cohort?TheBigBean said:
Controlled infection of low risk individuals will speed up herd immunity and act as a vaccine. Twenty something Londoners apply here. Etc. It will also give a good understanding of the level of asymptomatic people.tailwindhome said:
How do you propose we vaccinate for flu all the old and vulnerable under your approach?
There would be control conditions for entering and exiting GP premises, seperation methods, PPE for staff etc etc
Testing and Tracing doesn't make a difference, you'd still be shielding the elderly and vulnerable under any plan
It's a bit odd worrying about a second wave if your plan is to get the drownings done early doors.....
You'd manage a second wave by re-tightening lock down where necessary, continuing to build capacity and fighting the spread of infection by testing and tracing
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Giant Club 18-30s. You'd only have to infect one or two and within a few weeks they'd all have it along with several other viruses but they'd have fun in the process. Just make it an all-inclusive venue with 24 hour a day access to free booze, drugs and junk food. No-one would be leaving voluntarily. They could even film it so that those who are missing Love Island have something to watch.kingstongraham said:I mean in this case, the holiday camp idea might even work.
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Sorry, I'm not sure I understand your suggestion?TheBigBean said:
Proper isolation with criminal consequences for failing. The question is for how long it would be necessary. I think two weeks would be fine for participants, but I'm guessing given the incubation period it may need to be longer.tailwindhome said:
How do you keep the infection within that cohort?TheBigBean said:
Controlled infection of low risk individuals will speed up herd immunity and act as a vaccine. Twenty something Londoners apply here. Etc. It will also give a good understanding of the level of asymptomatic people.tailwindhome said:
Are you isolating the group in some way then letting the virus spread?
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And post Brexit economic performance.kingstongraham said:
You should add it to any thread with predictions of what will happen in bike races.bompington said:I think it's time for this, as some forumites are clearly needing it:
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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No. The proposal for discussion is that a medic infects a person with the virus. They then isolate themselves at home having stocked up on food, Netflix whatever. After x weeks, they are allowed to leave, then immune.tailwindhome said:
Sorry, I'm not sure I understand your suggestion?TheBigBean said:
Proper isolation with criminal consequences for failing. The question is for how long it would be necessary. I think two weeks would be fine for participants, but I'm guessing given the incubation period it may need to be longer.tailwindhome said:
How do you keep the infection within that cohort?TheBigBean said:
Controlled infection of low risk individuals will speed up herd immunity and act as a vaccine. Twenty something Londoners apply here. Etc. It will also give a good understanding of the level of asymptomatic people.tailwindhome said:
Are you isolating the group in some way then letting the virus spread?0 -
You've pretty much described a care home and I've been told by those on here that infection can be prevented from spreading into these environments by everyone entering washing their hands.kingstongraham said:
How does that answer the question?coopster_the_1st said:
How does your approach stop the second wave happening at the same time as the winter flu season?tailwindhome said:
How do you keep the infection within that cohort?TheBigBean said:
Controlled infection of low risk individuals will speed up herd immunity and act as a vaccine. Twenty something Londoners apply here. Etc. It will also give a good understanding of the level of asymptomatic people.tailwindhome said:
How do you propose we vaccinate for flu all the old and vulnerable under your approach?
It's not even a difficult one. They can go into all the hotels that are empty.0 -
Politician in not being entirely honest shocker.rick_chasey said:0 -
In a year of scientist can show similar death figures across all approaches then you friend of a friend wont have a point. Sweden will only get tougher if their health system cant cope with the numbers. Just having low numbers of deaths now is not the winning ticket that a number on here think it is.DeVlaeminck said:Re. sweden I wouldn't be so sure they are effectively in self imposed lock down. Schools are open even for children of parents with symptoms for starters so quite different to here even if not business as usual . A friend of a friend on facebook (and you can't get more reliable a source than that) who lives over there has been very critical about their approach and sees it as a failing experiment with people's lives.
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There's not being entirely honest and there's just lying through your teeth.
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They probably had a chat the day before along the lines of if you had lots of stuff to spare, could we buy it. The best lies always include at least a microscopic crumb of truth.Jeremy.89 said:There's not being entirely honest and there's just lying through your teeth.
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It would be nice if the press weren't ahead of the government.
Alas, a cabinet run by a journalist (who was sacked for writing lies) was always likely to be stronger at the press bit than the running the country bit.0
