The big Coronavirus thread

joe2019

First.Aspect said:

No. Did they start writing it with an open mind, by any chance?

It's a balanced book.

In the early days they both believed it to be a zoonotic pandemic, having read the book I believe their view has now shifted.

DeVlaeminck

To being created in a lab?

kingstongraham

here's a review of it.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/nov/15/viral-by-alina-chan-and-matt-ridley-review-was-covid-19-really-made-in-china

First.Aspect

Brilliant, reminds me of that Hitler/Argentina docufilm.

"Der Fuhrer was much changed, and diminished in height, but it was certainly him..."

joe2019

First.Aspect said:

Brilliant, reminds me of that Hitler/Argentina docufilm.

"Der Fuhrer was much changed, and diminished in height, but it was certainly him..."

Maybe try reading it, or is your mind not open enough for that?

First.Aspect

joe2019 said:

First.Aspect said:

Brilliant, reminds me of that Hitler/Argentina docufilm.

"Der Fuhrer was much changed, and diminished in height, but it was certainly him..."

Maybe try reading it, or is your mind not open enough for that?

No mate I'm too closed minded.

Stevo_666

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kingstongraham said:

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rick_chasey said:

TheBigBean said:

rick_chasey said:

Is there ever an argument on here where Stevo doesn't do the "I'm alright, Jack" bit?

Skiing in January?

Fair.

If the above is how you react when someone mentions that they got a free lateral flow test kit from the NHS the first time of ordering, I'd love to see how you react when someone does some real 'alright jacking'

Think he touched a nerve there.

Nope, but I did

Think I did too then - you reacted. That's how it works, as you know.

It's quite funny how Rick he's on his high horse about these things, even when I wasn't trying to provoke. Got one from you as well

If you genuinely thought that you getting tests meant that all the reports of shortages are bogus then I apologise to you. (And find it quite funny.)

Nope, just passing on my recent experience. I was going to post some to Rick to make amends but it appears that he's even more alright than me when it comes to LFT kits.

Sorry, my fault, you confused me when you wrote "No idea why you had problems" - I thought that meant you had no idea why sungod had problems.

Clearly I don't know why he didn't get his delivery when he ordered - you'd have to ask the NHS. Cake Stop Gold star for you as well for trying

This would be those intermittent supply problems that were referred to.

Bonus point for being patronising. I've told you more than once I was commenting on my own experience, not trying got comment on the overall situation. Hopefully you can understand that.

You were using your experience to argue that others weren't having problems.

Wrong.

veronese68

joe2019 said:

First.Aspect said:

Brilliant, reminds me of that Hitler/Argentina docufilm.

"Der Fuhrer was much changed, and diminished in height, but it was certainly him..."

Maybe try reading it, or is your mind not open enough for that?

The opening of the review of the book:

Two champions of ‘rigorous science’ fail to provide a shred of evidence that Covid-19 was engineered and leaked from a lab

So, what conclusions did you feel the book reached that the reviewer missed?

joe2019

kingstongraham said:

here's a review of it.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/nov/15/viral-by-alina-chan-and-matt-ridley-review-was-covid-19-really-made-in-china

For the record the review was written by the author of the rival book "The Pandemic Century: A History of Global Contagion from the Spanish Flu to Covid-19"

kingstongraham

The evidence by Alina Chan to the select committee had nothing new over the NYMag article that I shared on here about a year ago, so I assume the book is similar.

Not sure what Matt Ridley's contribution is.

veronese68

joe2019 said:

kingstongraham said:

here's a review of it.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/nov/15/viral-by-alina-chan-and-matt-ridley-review-was-covid-19-really-made-in-china

For the record the review was written by the author of the rival book "The Pandemic Century: A History of Global Contagion from the Spanish Flu to Covid-19"

Yes, it says that at the end of the review. You haven't said what conclusion you reached having read the book that the reviewer missed.

joe2019

kingstongraham said:

The evidence by Alina Chan to the select committee had nothing new over the NYMag article that I shared on here about a year ago, so I assume the book is similar.

Not sure what Matt Ridley's contribution is.

The clue being that that was a year ago. I've already said that she originally thought the pandemic to be zoonotic.

kingstongraham

joe2019 said:

kingstongraham said:

The evidence by Alina Chan to the select committee had nothing new over the NYMag article that I shared on here about a year ago, so I assume the book is similar.

Not sure what Matt Ridley's contribution is.

The clue being that that was a year ago. I've already said that she originally thought the pandemic to be zoonotic.

The NYMag article is free, so people can read that instead. Like I said, she doesn't seem to have any new information.

joe2019

kingstongraham said:

joe2019 said:

kingstongraham said:

The evidence by Alina Chan to the select committee had nothing new over the NYMag article that I shared on here about a year ago, so I assume the book is similar.

Not sure what Matt Ridley's contribution is.

The clue being that that was a year ago. I've already said that she originally thought the pandemic to be zoonotic.

The NYMag article is free, so people can read that instead. Like I said, she doesn't seem to have any new information.

Have you read the book?

kingstongraham

joe2019 said:

kingstongraham said:

joe2019 said:

kingstongraham said:

The evidence by Alina Chan to the select committee had nothing new over the NYMag article that I shared on here about a year ago, so I assume the book is similar.

Not sure what Matt Ridley's contribution is.

The clue being that that was a year ago. I've already said that she originally thought the pandemic to be zoonotic.

The NYMag article is free, so people can read that instead. Like I said, she doesn't seem to have any new information.

Have you read the book?

No - but I did see what she presented to the select committee. It was the same stuff as in the NYMag article from a year ago.

First.Aspect

joe2019 said:

kingstongraham said:

joe2019 said:

kingstongraham said:

The evidence by Alina Chan to the select committee had nothing new over the NYMag article that I shared on here about a year ago, so I assume the book is similar.

Not sure what Matt Ridley's contribution is.

The clue being that that was a year ago. I've already said that she originally thought the pandemic to be zoonotic.

The NYMag article is free, so people can read that instead. Like I said, she doesn't seem to have any new information.

Have you read the book?

This response will cover pretty much everyone.

Hey, everyone, Joe's read the book so has knowledge you don't. That means he's right.

joe2019

First.Aspect said:

joe2019 said:

kingstongraham said:

joe2019 said:

kingstongraham said:

The evidence by Alina Chan to the select committee had nothing new over the NYMag article that I shared on here about a year ago, so I assume the book is similar.

Not sure what Matt Ridley's contribution is.

The clue being that that was a year ago. I've already said that she originally thought the pandemic to be zoonotic.

The NYMag article is free, so people can read that instead. Like I said, she doesn't seem to have any new information.

Have you read the book?

This response will cover pretty much everyone.

Hey, everyone, Joe's read the book so has knowledge you don't. That means he's right.

Where have I said that you self righteous prat.

kingstongraham

Here's the NY Mag (long) article from a year ago: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

Joe - read the first two paragraphs and see if it is about the same as what the book says.

First.Aspect

kingstongraham said:

Here's the NY Mag (long) article from a year ago: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

Joe - read the first two paragraphs and see if it is about the same as what the book says.

These are great time saving tips. Thanks KG.

joe2019

First.Aspect said:

kingstongraham said:

Here's the NY Mag (long) article from a year ago: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

Joe - read the first two paragraphs and see if it is about the same as what the book says.

These are great time saving tips. Thanks KG.

I have plenty of time on my hands, and I enjoyed the book a lot more than the article.

pangolin

joe2019 said:

First.Aspect said:

kingstongraham said:

Here's the NY Mag (long) article from a year ago: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

Joe - read the first two paragraphs and see if it is about the same as what the book says.

These are great time saving tips. Thanks KG.

I have plenty of time on my hands, and I enjoyed the book a lot more than the article.

So you're recommending it for its entertainment value?

joe2019

pangolin said:

joe2019 said:

First.Aspect said:

kingstongraham said:

Here's the NY Mag (long) article from a year ago: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

Joe - read the first two paragraphs and see if it is about the same as what the book says.

These are great time saving tips. Thanks KG.

I have plenty of time on my hands, and I enjoyed the book a lot more than the article.

So you're recommending it for its entertainment value?

Ever been entertained by a horror movie.

pangolin

joe2019 said:

pangolin said:

joe2019 said:

First.Aspect said:

kingstongraham said:

Here's the NY Mag (long) article from a year ago: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

Joe - read the first two paragraphs and see if it is about the same as what the book says.

These are great time saving tips. Thanks KG.

I have plenty of time on my hands, and I enjoyed the book a lot more than the article.

So you're recommending it for its entertainment value?

Ever been entertained by a horror movie.

Yes plenty. Good analogy 👍

briantrumpet

FAO @kingstonian - looks like they are bowing to the inevitable. Will be interesting to see what testing/isolation (if any) is left.

kingstonian

briantrumpet said:

FAO @kingstonian - looks like they are bowing to the inevitable. Will be interesting to see what testing/isolation (if any) is left.

Thanks. Here’s hoping it happens in the next few days.

kingstongraham

joe2019 said:

First.Aspect said:

kingstongraham said:

Here's the NY Mag (long) article from a year ago: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

Joe - read the first two paragraphs and see if it is about the same as what the book says.

These are great time saving tips. Thanks KG.

I have plenty of time on my hands, and I enjoyed the book a lot more than the article.

Does it have any more information in it, or just more of the same theorising?

briantrumpet

Hostage to fortune... but I don't think it's now too early to tell.

First.Aspect

briantrumpet said:

Hostage to fortune... but I don't think it's now too early to tell.

There's a good analysis on the BBC corona pages today. Because the re-infections aren't included, this could be misleading. The likes of the Zoe study seems to show we haven't reached a peak of infections.

Hospitalisatations seem to have peaked, though - with the caveat that we aren't yet at the 2-3 weeks past Xmas/NY yet, which is expected to have skewed the infection rates up into older demographics.

I think that summarises it. It seems basically good news, with some qualifications.

Oh, and they are seeing a longer than expected tail to the decline in infections in SA, who are about a month ahead. Not sure why.

briantrumpet

First.Aspect said:

briantrumpet said:

Hostage to fortune... but I don't think it's now too early to tell.

There's a good analysis on the BBC corona pages today. Because the re-infections aren't included, this could be misleading. The likes of the Zoe study seems to show we haven't reached a peak of infections.

Hospitalisatations seem to have peaked, though - with the caveat that we aren't yet at the 2-3 weeks past Xmas/NY yet, which is expected to have skewed the infection rates up into older demographics.

I think that summarises it. It seems basically good news, with some qualifications.

Oh, and they are seeing a longer than expected tail to the decline in infections in SA, who are about a month ahead. Not sure why.

OK, thanks. Yeah, I'd forgotten about the reinfections thing.

rick_chasey

Remember when everyone kicked off at Neil Ferguson for breaking the rules?