The big Coronavirus thread
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Have you tried loading an image from your phone?First.Aspect said:.
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monkimark said:
Have a look at the walk in centres, I got my booster in Surbiton health centre yesterday and they were doing second jabs for 12+ year old. There was barely a queue, I was in and out in 15 minutes, including the 5 minute wait at the end.
You can check online which ones they have as not all of them were available (I got pfizer) and I think you need the same type for 1st & 2nd jabs.kingstonian said:In other news, second jabs for 12-15 year olds can now be booked. Don’t seem to be many locations available yet so I booked for my kids to be jabbed at Lewisham Hospital which is about an hour away. May be more locations made available at a later date, but we’ll happily travel to Lewisham to get it done if need be.
That’s interesting, thanks for letting me know. With the 12 week gap between 1st and 2nd jabs being kept for 12-15 year olds my boys aren’t due for their 2nd jab until 22nd Jan, so between now and then I’ll keep an eye out to see whether other locations are available or if the 12 week gap is reduced.0 -
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Yes. In vain.briantrumpet said:
Have you tried loading an image from your phone?First.Aspect said:.
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Anyone else under the impression that Whitty has been told "If you have nothing nice to say then say nothing at all." Been very quiet in a public sense.rick_chasey said:The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
But you weren't doing that in May 2020 were you?TheBigBean said:
Not deliberately playing devil's advocate. I just find the comments about minutes to be amusing.Pross said:
Are you just playing Devil's advocate or do you genuinely believe that photo may be a work meeting (with those present split into several groups seemingly doing their own thing)?TheBigBean said:I only see minutes of board meetings. It's really odd that people think they exist for all internal meetings. No work would ever be done.
I've attended all sorts of meetings over the years, some far more formal than others. I've often had sandwiches or biscuits served, some we even had breakfast but I've never attended one where we were given alcohol.
I've been to the pub with colleagues I dislike, because I have felt obliged to. In my mind, it's work as I would not do so for any other reason. Obviously I understand that to others it doesn't look like it.
The key test is what I posted upthread - why couldn't the work be done remotely as this is what was expected of everyone else. Whether drinking, cheese, minutes, laptops etc. are required to meet the definition of work is, to me, irrelevant. No doubt 90% of the chat was about work.
If it was hanging around at the end of the working day having a drink I don't think it really met the "essential to be in the office" or whatever the official wording at the time was for exemptions from the stay home, protect the NHS message whether work was discussed or not.0 -
That was my third paragraph.Pross said:
But you weren't doing that in May 2020 were you?TheBigBean said:
Not deliberately playing devil's advocate. I just find the comments about minutes to be amusing.Pross said:
Are you just playing Devil's advocate or do you genuinely believe that photo may be a work meeting (with those present split into several groups seemingly doing their own thing)?TheBigBean said:I only see minutes of board meetings. It's really odd that people think they exist for all internal meetings. No work would ever be done.
I've attended all sorts of meetings over the years, some far more formal than others. I've often had sandwiches or biscuits served, some we even had breakfast but I've never attended one where we were given alcohol.
I've been to the pub with colleagues I dislike, because I have felt obliged to. In my mind, it's work as I would not do so for any other reason. Obviously I understand that to others it doesn't look like it.
The key test is what I posted upthread - why couldn't the work be done remotely as this is what was expected of everyone else. Whether drinking, cheese, minutes, laptops etc. are required to meet the definition of work is, to me, irrelevant. No doubt 90% of the chat was about work.
If it was hanging around at the end of the working day having a drink I don't think it really met the "essential to be in the office" or whatever the official wording at the time was for exemptions from the stay home, protect the NHS message whether work was discussed or not.0 -
When I was a contractor, I couldn't charge for time spent in the pub.0
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Might take a suit with me when I go away for Christmas just in case.0
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You need to crack open the Christmas rye whiskey and pour yourself a large one, cos beyond being triple jabbed, there’s nothing we mere mortals can do about it.rick_chasey said:
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Why don't you just choose the risk model you are happy with. Ranging from raves to lighthouse keeper. I don't get your wish to control a population that have in a lot of cases had enough of central control.rick_chasey said:
Was it acceptable? Just because it happened doesn't mean it's acceptable?First.Aspect said:
Well if the peak last year was deemed acceptable, then no lockdown would be required for a predicted "plan B" peak that's the same.rick_chasey said:Look you can think it's as unlikely or likely as you want.
What's the likeihood threshold after which you lockdown?
You can move the sticks to 1,500 peak per day if it makes you feel better - question remains - at what likelihood of that outcome would you consider locking down?
Risk is severity x likelihood, right?
If you break it down into what numbers you think are acceptable and where your risk threshold is for likelihood for deaths above that acceptable threshold you can quite quickly land on whether you change your plan or not.
I am fairly risk averse so I would probably err on the side of more restrictions, not least as the behaviour of people who are essentially imposing voluntary restrictions on themselves by not going into the office etc suggest people's risk appetite is fairly low anyway.1 -
How many times do we need to have late restrictions before the penny drops?
Either it should be restrictions now, or no restrictions. Saying "we won't hesitate" while hesitating doesn't cut the mustard for me.3 -
It might get you your next contract though. When you were a contractor was this not also an important part of being a contractor.kingstongraham said:When I was a contractor, I couldn't charge for time spent in the pub.
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Yes, but it wasn't work.john80 said:
It might get you your next contract though. When you were a contractor was this not also an important part of being a contractor.kingstongraham said:When I was a contractor, I couldn't charge for time spent in the pub.
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It might not have been for tax purposes but it is a pretty narrow view of work. Common man this is getting ridiculous.kingstongraham said:
Yes, but it wasn't work.john80 said:
It might get you your next contract though. When you were a contractor was this not also an important part of being a contractor.kingstongraham said:When I was a contractor, I couldn't charge for time spent in the pub.
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If you are now insisting you can't tell the difference between work and going to the pub for drinks with people from work, I'm out.john80 said:
It might not have been for tax purposes but it is a pretty narrow view of work. Common man this is getting ridiculous.kingstongraham said:
Yes, but it wasn't work.john80 said:
It might get you your next contract though. When you were a contractor was this not also an important part of being a contractor.kingstongraham said:When I was a contractor, I couldn't charge for time spent in the pub.
He'll disappoint even you eventually, you know.1 -
So you are going in for surgery and would be quite happy for the surgical team to be having cheese and wine at your pre op meeting.john80 said:
It might not have been for tax purposes but it is a pretty narrow view of work. Common man this is getting ridiculous.kingstongraham said:
Yes, but it wasn't work.john80 said:
It might get you your next contract though. When you were a contractor was this not also an important part of being a contractor.kingstongraham said:When I was a contractor, I couldn't charge for time spent in the pub.
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Just because this time people have had enough doesn’t mean the logic of the pandemic changes.john80 said:I don't get your wish to control a population that have in a lot of cases had enough of central control.
The big question is are the hospitalisation rates for the (largely vaccinated) population low enough to more than compensate for the increased infectivity and higher level of simultaneous infections.
That’s the unknown we have right now - that’s the £billion question.
If it is, then great, the guidance will be sufficient. If not the health system will have to not save some saveable people.
Problem is you have to decide 3 weeks before it happens.0 -
First.Aspect said:
Yes. In vain.briantrumpet said:
Have you tried loading an image from your phone?First.Aspect said:.
That's what I was assuming. It's a frustrating glitch with the forum software.0 -
It's okay though because hardly anyone uses android. Trusty Win95 for me.briantrumpet said:First.Aspect said:
Yes. In vain.briantrumpet said:
Have you tried loading an image from your phone?First.Aspect said:.
That's what I was assuming. It's a frustrating glitch with the forum software.0 -
In the coming weeks I’m hoping to see a tightening of the screw when it comes to the unvaccinated. We are all in this together, and in my humble view being vaccinated is part about protecting oneself but also part about playing a part in protecting the wider society. That might sound very righteous, but we’ll only get out of this pandemic if we all play our part, and if you aren’t willing to play your part why should you have the same liberties as those that are?
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Yes a lot of this is happening because unvaccinated people are ending up in hospital at a much higher rate.
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kingstonian said:
In the coming weeks I’m hoping to see a tightening of the screw when it comes to the unvaccinated. We are all in this together, and in my humble view being vaccinated is part about protecting oneself but also part about playing a part in protecting the wider society. That might sound very righteous, but we’ll only get out of this pandemic if we all play our part, and if you aren’t willing to play your part why should you have the same liberties as those that are?
Ah, but ma liburtee, dude !!
It depends whether Johnson is happy to rely on Labour votes, as I can't see the 100 or so Tory nutters agreeing.0 -
All sport behind closed doors in Wales from 26th December.================
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My main issue is the unvaccinated are making up over 80% of hospitalisations yet the people I know who aren’t vaccinated are also massively anti-lockdown and anti-Government intervention so will be cracking on as normal regardless.
Is a bitter pill to swallow that when I’ve followed all the rules, had my booster but then can’t see my family.
I do have sympathy for the Government in this case.0 -
Not sure who flagged this post because it speaks the truth.N0bodyOfTheGoat said:All sport behind closed doors in Wales from 26th December.
A number of the main sporting events were already hit by Covid, so Cardiff v Scarlets in the United Rugby Championship (URC) on that day will be the first major fixture affected.
Ironically, Swansea go to Millwall on 26 December, along with their traveling supporters.
New year, same old year, it seems."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Got any more examples where it would not be wise to drink before doing something. Are these the types of scenario I was commenting on. As a small business owner I an aware what gets me work and understand there are a number of things I might do to increase my chances. They are still work even if the tax man does not think so.webboo said:
So you are going in for surgery and would be quite happy for the surgical team to be having cheese and wine at your pre op meeting.john80 said:
It might not have been for tax purposes but it is a pretty narrow view of work. Common man this is getting ridiculous.kingstongraham said:
Yes, but it wasn't work.john80 said:
It might get you your next contract though. When you were a contractor was this not also an important part of being a contractor.kingstongraham said:When I was a contractor, I couldn't charge for time spent in the pub.
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No idea what's the thinking behind this.blazing_saddles said:
Not sure who flagged this post because it speaks the truth.N0bodyOfTheGoat said:All sport behind closed doors in Wales from 26th December.
A number of the main sporting events were already hit by Covid, so Cardiff v Scarlets in the United Rugby Championship (URC) on that day will be the first major fixture affected.
Ironically, Swansea go to Millwall on 26 December, along with their traveling supporters.
New year, same old year, it seems.
Let's get more people inside pubs to watch it.0 -
This is where we differ. You think that if the pm had locked down three weeks ago it would be worth it. It would have caused massive economic hardship and done little for infection levels . The only thing that works is to prioritise those you treat. Unvaccinated and you go to the back of the queue behind non covid illnesses then the vaccinated with covid. Do you really care that much about the views of an antivaxxer attending many social engagements. The public are not on board and any significant restrictions whether they be a day or a fortnight before Xmas won't be tolerated by the public.rick_chasey said:
Just because this time people have had enough doesn’t mean the logic of the pandemic changes.john80 said:I don't get your wish to control a population that have in a lot of cases had enough of central control.
The big question is are the hospitalisation rates for the (largely vaccinated) population low enough to more than compensate for the increased infectivity and higher level of simultaneous infections.
That’s the unknown we have right now - that’s the £billion question.
If it is, then great, the guidance will be sufficient. If not the health system will have to not save some saveable people.
Problem is you have to decide 3 weeks before it happens.0
