The big Coronavirus thread
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It's a shame that the president of the country this all started in gets treated better than the president of France.kingstongraham said:
I think the next two were Nu which has a large potential for confusion and Xi, which I guess wouldn't have pleased the Chinese. So Omicron it is.pangolin said:Bit disappointed they didn't call it the Nu variant. Worked well.
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Pross said:
I hope you pointed out that if 80% of people are vaccinated it stands to reason the majority in hospital are vaccinated but that if, say, 40% of those in hospital are unvaccinated then they are over-represented. I'd also be asking what percentage of the 1.4% who don't recover are vaccinated.briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:
I'm torn on restrictions for the unvaccinated, although I'm increasingly finding the histrionics on the part of the anti vaxers tiresome...
I knew it would provoke one or two when I posted on the community FB Group about the very high local rates ( >1000/100k), just mentioning that people might like to be aware, and that people could book their japs at the local site via the web. Sure as eggs is eggs, one reply started politely, but saying that "most people in hospital with covid are vaccinated", "Vaccines working then?", then the inevitable "98.6% of people recover".
Not surprisingly, facts weren't allowed to get in the way of the conspiracy theory... when it became clear that she had an anti-vax agenda, I masked her comments and disabled any more comments on the thread. No point in arguing with stupid.0 -
I assumed they were just working through the Greek alphabet so what happened to epsilon etc.?kingstongraham said:
I think the next two were Nu which has a large potential for confusion and Xi, which I guess wouldn't have pleased the Chinese. So Omicron it is.pangolin said:Bit disappointed they didn't call it the Nu variant. Worked well.
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60 yo double vaxed infections just gone up by 2
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So I know two people who have been properly out of it for weeks with lingering complaints after catching whilst being double vaccinated.0
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rick_chasey said:
So I know two people who have been properly out of it for weeks with lingering complaints after catching whilst being double vaccinated.
Yup, I know four people who have struggled with it - general complaints after the initial flu-like illness (which have lasted from 10 days to a good month) are lethargy and brain fog.
I think this is why the boosters are being pushed so hard, as the scientific advisers realise the problems: even if it's not (on the whole) hospitalising otherwise non-vulnerable people, it's like flu in how it hits people, but with 10x the transmissibility.0 -
Mad_Malx said:
60 yo double vaxed infections just gone up by 2
Oh, bad luck. Any ideas where it was caught? Work, commuting, socialising, family? 0 -
Unlikely to be going anywhere.kingstonian said:Dorset_Boy said:France has changed it's Pass Sanitaire rules today.
Among changes are that they must all have their booster between 5 and 7 months after their second jab or the PS will become invalid.
Single (or non) jabbed will have to do daily LFR or PCR tests to access the PS.
So effectively a social lockdown has been enforced for those not fully vaccinated.
It's going to cause big problems for those with 12-15 year olds planning to ski (or holiday) in France over Christmas and New Year.
I’m hoping that 12-15 year olds start getting a 2nd jab starting from January, which would allow me to take my sons to France in early Feb.0 -
Pretty sure it was a gig we went to last week. Stayed away from the crowd but 200 people in a hall. Two negative flow tests then bang on the third and pcr. I had hoped it was cold or autumn fungi spore allergy. Was booked in for booster next week, 6mo after second, which was ASAP round these parts without a long drive.briantrumpet said:
Oh, bad luck.Mad_Malx said:60 yo double vaxed infections just gone up by 2
Any ideas where it was caught? Work, commuting, socialising, family?
Had none of the classic symptoms, bit of sore throat and sniffs for 4 days, with increasing fugg and feeling cold. Appears likely that symptoms in vaxxed and delta might be changing.
If we clear it quickly and gets no worse I’m not too unhappy. It seems natural infection can give a very strong boost.
Of my immediate family of 4 in 3 parts of the country we’ve all had infection , with 3 of us within 6 months of second jab.
We’re all going to have to wait to see how well immunity lasts after 3 doses, but if anybody still thinks they don’t need the booster I would say you should.
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Mad_Malx said:
Pretty sure it was a gig we went to last week. Stayed away from the crowd but 200 people in a hall. Two negative flow tests then bang on the third and pcr. I had hoped it was cold or autumn fungi spore allergy. Was booked in for booster next week, 6mo after second, which was ASAP round these parts without a long drive.briantrumpet said:
Oh, bad luck.Mad_Malx said:60 yo double vaxed infections just gone up by 2
Any ideas where it was caught? Work, commuting, socialising, family?
Had none of the classic symptoms, bit of sore throat and sniffs for 4 days, with increasing fugg and feeling cold. Appears likely that symptoms in vaxxed and delta might be changing.
If we clear it quickly and gets no worse I’m not too unhappy. It seems natural infection can give a very strong boost.
Of my immediate family of 4 in 3 parts of the country we’ve all had infection , with 3 of us within 6 months of second jab.
We’re all going to have to wait to see how well immunity lasts after 3 doses, but if anybody still thinks they don’t need the booster I would say you should.
Must admit, when I've seen photos of recent gigs, I've wondered how much spreading would be going on. I feel a little less exposed as a performer, as we're not crammed in (see below for last night's effort), and the audiences have been sedate (classical and big band concerts aren't hotbeds of moshing or crowd surfing, at least in Devon). Still surprised, though, how few of the audience have been wearing masks, even so. And even though the venues have been big, still no additional ventilation apparent.
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briantrumpet said:Mad_Malx said:
Pretty sure it was a gig we went to last week. Stayed away from the crowd but 200 people in a hall. Two negative flow tests then bang on the third and pcr. I had hoped it was cold or autumn fungi spore allergy. Was booked in for booster next week, 6mo after second, which was ASAP round these parts without a long drive.briantrumpet said:
Oh, bad luck.Mad_Malx said:60 yo double vaxed infections just gone up by 2
Any ideas where it was caught? Work, commuting, socialising, family?
Had none of the classic symptoms, bit of sore throat and sniffs for 4 days, with increasing fugg and feeling cold. Appears likely that symptoms in vaxxed and delta might be changing.
If we clear it quickly and gets no worse I’m not too unhappy. It seems natural infection can give a very strong boost.
Of my immediate family of 4 in 3 parts of the country we’ve all had infection , with 3 of us within 6 months of second jab.
We’re all going to have to wait to see how well immunity lasts after 3 doses, but if anybody still thinks they don’t need the booster I would say you should.
the audiences have been sedate (classical and big band concerts aren't hotbeds of moshing or crowd surfing, at least in Devon).
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One of the choirs around here had a concert a few weeks back. They complied with all the Welsh rules which include Covid passports for all taking part and attending plus mask wearing but quite a few caught Covid and one unfortunately passed away as a result.briantrumpet said:Mad_Malx said:
Pretty sure it was a gig we went to last week. Stayed away from the crowd but 200 people in a hall. Two negative flow tests then bang on the third and pcr. I had hoped it was cold or autumn fungi spore allergy. Was booked in for booster next week, 6mo after second, which was ASAP round these parts without a long drive.briantrumpet said:
Oh, bad luck.Mad_Malx said:60 yo double vaxed infections just gone up by 2
Any ideas where it was caught? Work, commuting, socialising, family?
Had none of the classic symptoms, bit of sore throat and sniffs for 4 days, with increasing fugg and feeling cold. Appears likely that symptoms in vaxxed and delta might be changing.
If we clear it quickly and gets no worse I’m not too unhappy. It seems natural infection can give a very strong boost.
Of my immediate family of 4 in 3 parts of the country we’ve all had infection , with 3 of us within 6 months of second jab.
We’re all going to have to wait to see how well immunity lasts after 3 doses, but if anybody still thinks they don’t need the booster I would say you should.
Must admit, when I've seen photos of recent gigs, I've wondered how much spreading would be going on. I feel a little less exposed as a performer, as we're not crammed in (see below for last night's effort), and the audiences have been sedate (classical and big band concerts aren't hotbeds of moshing or crowd surfing, at least in Devon). Still surprised, though, how few of the audience have been wearing masks, even so. And even though the venues have been big, still no additional ventilation apparent.0 -
Pross said:
One of the choirs around here had a concert a few weeks back. They complied with all the Welsh rules which include Covid passports for all taking part and attending plus mask wearing but quite a few caught Covid and one unfortunately passed away as a result.briantrumpet said:Mad_Malx said:
Pretty sure it was a gig we went to last week. Stayed away from the crowd but 200 people in a hall. Two negative flow tests then bang on the third and pcr. I had hoped it was cold or autumn fungi spore allergy. Was booked in for booster next week, 6mo after second, which was ASAP round these parts without a long drive.briantrumpet said:
Oh, bad luck.Mad_Malx said:60 yo double vaxed infections just gone up by 2
Any ideas where it was caught? Work, commuting, socialising, family?
Had none of the classic symptoms, bit of sore throat and sniffs for 4 days, with increasing fugg and feeling cold. Appears likely that symptoms in vaxxed and delta might be changing.
If we clear it quickly and gets no worse I’m not too unhappy. It seems natural infection can give a very strong boost.
Of my immediate family of 4 in 3 parts of the country we’ve all had infection , with 3 of us within 6 months of second jab.
We’re all going to have to wait to see how well immunity lasts after 3 doses, but if anybody still thinks they don’t need the booster I would say you should.
Must admit, when I've seen photos of recent gigs, I've wondered how much spreading would be going on. I feel a little less exposed as a performer, as we're not crammed in (see below for last night's effort), and the audiences have been sedate (classical and big band concerts aren't hotbeds of moshing or crowd surfing, at least in Devon). Still surprised, though, how few of the audience have been wearing masks, even so. And even though the venues have been big, still no additional ventilation apparent.
That's sad. I suppose it shows how Delta will sneak wherever it can. I wonder if unfortunate events like that will put a focus back on choral singing as a risky activity. I've got a concert with a choir next week, so rather glad to have had the booster, given your report.0 -
That’s exactly the same as me symptom wise, tested positive this morning after two negative tests in the last 48 hours no one else I’ve been in close contact has it.Mad_Malx said:briantrumpet said:
Oh, bad luck.Mad_Malx said:60 yo double vaxed infections just gone up by 2
Any ideas where it was caught? Work, commuting, socialising, family?
Had none of the classic symptoms, bit of sore throat and sniffs for 4 days, with increasing fugg and feeling cold. Appears likely that symptoms in vaxxed and delta might be changing.
If we clear it quickly and gets no worse I’m not too unhappy. It seems natural infection can give a very strong boost.
Of my immediate family of 4 in 3 parts of the country we’ve all had infection , with 3 of us within 6 months of second jab.
We’re all going to have to wait to see how well immunity lasts after 3 doses, but if anybody still thinks they don’t need the booster I would say you should.Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
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Shock as two Omicron cases found in UK already.
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I fear that the new Omicron variant is going to be the straw that broke the camels back, regarding harsher restrictions for us, this Christmas. This virus only produces viable variants when there’s a lot of it about, as it has the inbuilt quality control mechanism more typically seen in DNA viruses. This is exactly why the concerns were raised about the numbers of infections. Omicron is here in the U.K. now, so I think this is about to pee on our Christmas chips. That said, it seems it is sticking to the script as far as being more transmissible, but not more deadly. That’s not the game at all, and thus far, it’s been behaving as expected.0
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That’s poor. If anything, it shows that the vaccines are only really reducing impact, rather than what was originally promised though. “Sanitising vaccines” er nope.Pross said:
One of the choirs around here had a concert a few weeks back. They complied with all the Welsh rules which include Covid passports for all taking part and attending plus mask wearing but quite a few caught Covid and one unfortunately passed away as a result.briantrumpet said:Mad_Malx said:
Pretty sure it was a gig we went to last week. Stayed away from the crowd but 200 people in a hall. Two negative flow tests then bang on the third and pcr. I had hoped it was cold or autumn fungi spore allergy. Was booked in for booster next week, 6mo after second, which was ASAP round these parts without a long drive.briantrumpet said:
Oh, bad luck.Mad_Malx said:60 yo double vaxed infections just gone up by 2
Any ideas where it was caught? Work, commuting, socialising, family?
Had none of the classic symptoms, bit of sore throat and sniffs for 4 days, with increasing fugg and feeling cold. Appears likely that symptoms in vaxxed and delta might be changing.
If we clear it quickly and gets no worse I’m not too unhappy. It seems natural infection can give a very strong boost.
Of my immediate family of 4 in 3 parts of the country we’ve all had infection , with 3 of us within 6 months of second jab.
We’re all going to have to wait to see how well immunity lasts after 3 doses, but if anybody still thinks they don’t need the booster I would say you should.
Must admit, when I've seen photos of recent gigs, I've wondered how much spreading would be going on. I feel a little less exposed as a performer, as we're not crammed in (see below for last night's effort), and the audiences have been sedate (classical and big band concerts aren't hotbeds of moshing or crowd surfing, at least in Devon). Still surprised, though, how few of the audience have been wearing masks, even so. And even though the venues have been big, still no additional ventilation apparent.0 -
focuszing723 said:
The big problem here is how long does it take to monitor a strain to know it's a problem? It's a bit bloody late then to take counter measures as it's already spread across the World akin to the original strain.
Hygiene, face masks, keep a safe distance if viable and if you don't already, learn to breathe through your nose.0 -
And remember, a sponge on stick.0
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So...are we going to learn from last year or was our response really as good as it could have been..?🤔
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I'm not sure the grown-ups were ever that confident about sanitising vaccines.Ncovidius said:
That’s poor. If anything, it shows that the vaccines are only really reducing impact, rather than what was originally promised though. “Sanitising vaccines” er nope.
We don't seem to get long-lasting full immunity against the common cold viruses (some of which are biologically related to COVID).
Although it's interesting that until very recently there were people with immunity Vs 1918 flu strain, having survived infection in the first few years of that pandemic.
Full elimination will need an alternative, or complementary immunization strategy. (To avoid doubt, I mean complementary in the sense of filling in the gaps, not spells & potions).0 -
....but the reduction in hospitalisations and deaths has surpassed expectations and the scientists should be applauded for this0
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Are you in Wilts, Boffin? Maybe we have our own moonraker variantitboffin said:
That’s exactly the same as me symptom wise, tested positive this morning after two negative tests in the last 48 hours no one else I’ve been in close contact has it.Mad_Malx said:briantrumpet said:
Oh, bad luck.Mad_Malx said:60 yo double vaxed infections just gone up by 2
Any ideas where it was caught? Work, commuting, socialising, family?
Had none of the classic symptoms, bit of sore throat and sniffs for 4 days, with increasing fugg and feeling cold. Appears likely that symptoms in vaxxed and delta might be changing.
If we clear it quickly and gets no worse I’m not too unhappy. It seems natural infection can give a very strong boost.
Of my immediate family of 4 in 3 parts of the country we’ve all had infection , with 3 of us within 6 months of second jab.
We’re all going to have to wait to see how well immunity lasts after 3 doses, but if anybody still thinks they don’t need the booster I would say you should.1 -
Epsilon was used for a variant first seen in california.Pross said:
I assumed they were just working through the Greek alphabet so what happened to epsilon etc.?kingstongraham said:
I think the next two were Nu which has a large potential for confusion and Xi, which I guess wouldn't have pleased the Chinese. So Omicron it is.pangolin said:Bit disappointed they didn't call it the Nu variant. Worked well.
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Mad_Malx said:
....but the reduction in hospitalisations and deaths has surpassed expectations and the scientists should be applauded for this
And that's the thing. I suspect that in time that that, and hospitalisations, will be the main metrics: after all, we don't get daily updates on flu infections, merely the overall impact on the NHS and mortality. Obviously, flu wouldn't have as devastating impact on mortality if vaccines became ineffective, given its much lower transmissibility, but it's obviously still a significant hazard that we've learnt to live with, even with less-than-100% vaccines. Though, of course all that would change if a truly game-changing mutation of covid appeared that was both highly transmissible and evaded the life-saving ability of current vaccines.0 -
You're feeling sorry for Macron?Jezyboy said:
It's a shame that the president of the country this all started in gets treated better than the president of France.kingstongraham said:
I think the next two were Nu which has a large potential for confusion and Xi, which I guess wouldn't have pleased the Chinese. So Omicron it is.pangolin said:Bit disappointed they didn't call it the Nu variant. Worked well.
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I just hope no singers have contracted it?0
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I'm feeling sorry for that joke getting as cruelly ignored as the epsilon variant.TheBigBean said:
You're feeling sorry for Macron?Jezyboy said:
It's a shame that the president of the country this all started in gets treated better than the president of France.kingstongraham said:
I think the next two were Nu which has a large potential for confusion and Xi, which I guess wouldn't have pleased the Chinese. So Omicron it is.pangolin said:Bit disappointed they didn't call it the Nu variant. Worked well.
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President Xi joke is fine. Crying for Macron is amusing. Is there another level to the joke?kingstongraham said:
I'm feeling sorry for that joke getting as cruelly ignored as the epsilon variant.TheBigBean said:
You're feeling sorry for Macron?Jezyboy said:
It's a shame that the president of the country this all started in gets treated better than the president of France.kingstongraham said:
I think the next two were Nu which has a large potential for confusion and Xi, which I guess wouldn't have pleased the Chinese. So Omicron it is.pangolin said:Bit disappointed they didn't call it the Nu variant. Worked well.
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I wasn't joking about them missing out the Xi variant! Can you imagine the blowback if it turned into a bad one? He even banned Winnie the Pooh.TheBigBean said:
President Xi joke is fine. Crying for Macron is amusing. Is there another level to the joke?kingstongraham said:
I'm feeling sorry for that joke getting as cruelly ignored as the epsilon variant.TheBigBean said:
You're feeling sorry for Macron?Jezyboy said:
It's a shame that the president of the country this all started in gets treated better than the president of France.kingstongraham said:
I think the next two were Nu which has a large potential for confusion and Xi, which I guess wouldn't have pleased the Chinese. So Omicron it is.pangolin said:Bit disappointed they didn't call it the Nu variant. Worked well.
Maybe "Oh, Macron" could be a Wodehouse style romp.0
