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  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 18,150
    edited 22 October
    joe2019 said:

    Jezyboy said:

    It does make sense? That's a relief, it's good news that knowing each other offers some protection against viral transmission, means we don't have to worry about schools.


    In as much as that they are following the guideline about the wearing of masks in the workplace, then yes it does make sense.
    No it doesn't. Point out the bit that says the advice is to not wear masks when indoors with lots of people.

    I assume you are aware that staff in the house of commons have to wear masks?
  • ProssPross Posts: 29,951
    orraloon said:

    Does anyone, outwith the hardcore Toryfanboi club, which seems rather subdued on here recently, expect any logical common sense from Grease-Smug?

    He was on the news this morning happily defending the cost of the restoration works at the Palace of Westminster. Now, I have mixed feelings on this as I think it is a building that needs preserving but at the same time they could build a new facility that is far more fit for purpose, leading by example on modern sustainable building practices and maybe even having some kind of campus allowing MPs to stay onsite with improved security and doing away with a huge chunk of the expenses bill. However, can you imagine him being supportive of Government spending that sort of money on a scheme benefitting the poorest in our society? I really don't understand how even the most die hard Tory voters can bring themselves to elect him.
  • joe2019joe2019 Posts: 1,264

    joe2019 said:

    Jezyboy said:

    It does make sense? That's a relief, it's good news that knowing each other offers some protection against viral transmission, means we don't have to worry about schools.


    In as much as that they are following the guideline about the wearing of masks in the workplace, then yes it does make sense.
    No it doesn't. Point out the bit that says the advice is to not wear masks when indoors with lots of people.

    I assume you are aware that staff in the house of commons have to wear masks?

    I assume that everyone in your office wearing a mask 100% of the time.

  • JezyboyJezyboy Posts: 1,076
    I've never seen an office where the density of wheezy windbags is as high as the commons.
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 17,157

    joe2019 said:

    Jezyboy said:

    It does make sense? That's a relief, it's good news that knowing each other offers some protection against viral transmission, means we don't have to worry about schools.


    In as much as that they are following the guideline about the wearing of masks in the workplace, then yes it does make sense.
    No it doesn't. Point out the bit that says the advice is to not wear masks when indoors with lots of people.

    I assume you are aware that staff in the house of commons have to wear masks?
    See my post on the previous page.
    Guidelines are that you can only catch Covid from strangers. 🤔
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 18,150
    joe2019 said:

    joe2019 said:

    Jezyboy said:

    It does make sense? That's a relief, it's good news that knowing each other offers some protection against viral transmission, means we don't have to worry about schools.


    In as much as that they are following the guideline about the wearing of masks in the workplace, then yes it does make sense.
    No it doesn't. Point out the bit that says the advice is to not wear masks when indoors with lots of people.

    I assume you are aware that staff in the house of commons have to wear masks?

    I assume that everyone in your office wearing a mask 100% of the time.

    Does that have anything to do with the guidance you claimed you were quoting?
  • Ben6899Ben6899 Posts: 9,096
    edited 22 October
    joe2019 said:

    Ben6899 said:

    Jezyboy said:


    WHAT A CLINT

    But what he says makes sense.


    They don't have to wear masks because they "know each other" and have a "convivial fraternal spirit"... makes sense?

    I mean, it objectively doesn't but, whatever Joe.
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  • webboowebboo Posts: 3,925
    Jezyboy said:


    Does he mean they know each other as in the biblical term. If that’s the case they won’t need masks as protection, it will be something else.
  • joe2019joe2019 Posts: 1,264
    Ben6899 said:

    joe2019 said:

    Ben6899 said:

    Jezyboy said:


    WHAT A CLINT

    But what he says makes sense.


    They don't have to wear masks because they "know each other" and have a "convivial fraternal spirit"... makes sense?

    I mean, it objectively doesn't but, whatever Joe.

    It was obvious that he was poking fun at the SNP member.
  • Ben6899Ben6899 Posts: 9,096
    joe2019 said:

    Ben6899 said:

    joe2019 said:

    Ben6899 said:

    Jezyboy said:


    WHAT A CLINT

    But what he says makes sense.


    They don't have to wear masks because they "know each other" and have a "convivial fraternal spirit"... makes sense?

    I mean, it objectively doesn't but, whatever Joe.

    It was obvious that he was poking fun at the SNP member.

    I suppose it was... if you fail to see things objectively.
    Ben

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  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 18,150
    joe2019 said:

    Ben6899 said:

    joe2019 said:

    Ben6899 said:

    Jezyboy said:


    WHAT A CLINT

    But what he says makes sense.


    They don't have to wear masks because they "know each other" and have a "convivial fraternal spirit"... makes sense?

    I mean, it objectively doesn't but, whatever Joe.

    It was obvious that he was poking fun at the SNP member.
    Yes, I agree it was clear he was treating the pandemic guidance as a big joke. I'm not convinced that makes it better.
  • JezyboyJezyboy Posts: 1,076
    I presume if you make the right investment moves during a pandemic, it's not such a bad time.

  • pangolinpangolin Posts: 4,027
    Hes just trolling guys...
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  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 18,150
    pangolin said:

    Hes just trolling guys...

    Likewise.
  • Ben6899Ben6899 Posts: 9,096
    Jezyboy said:

    I presume if you make the right investment moves during a pandemic, it's not such a bad time.


    To be fair, we low-balled on a property at a time when we knew people were playing it safe with money. And then we completed the purchase without paying any Stamp Duty.

    I still wouldn't rush to repeat the majority of 2020 though; it was otherwise pretty miserable!
    Ben

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  • First.AspectFirst.Aspect Posts: 7,654
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59011321

    Here's one to send to your boss to read, RC.
  • kingstoniankingstonian Posts: 2,513
    mully79 said:

    It would be nice if we could have some facts nearly 2 years on instead of cherry picked stats to force Uk project fear.

    Last time I looked (month or so ago) Uk was fairly close to USA and France in tests per million population. Now we're double both of those with 4.7 million tests per million population and no other similarly populated country is anywhere near.

    I’m interested in understanding more about test rates, as anecdotal comments I’ve heard from friends and family overseas (mainly France, Holland, the USA) have pointed to it being way easier and/or cheaper to be tested here. So I wondered if our test rate, which has been 1 - 1.2 million per day for months now, is higher or lower.

    Is 4.7 million tests per million population an accurate stat? Does that mean the UK has conducted something like 320 million tests since testing began?
  • briantrumpetbriantrumpet Posts: 8,075

    mully79 said:

    It would be nice if we could have some facts nearly 2 years on instead of cherry picked stats to force Uk project fear.

    Last time I looked (month or so ago) Uk was fairly close to USA and France in tests per million population. Now we're double both of those with 4.7 million tests per million population and no other similarly populated country is anywhere near.

    I’m interested in understanding more about test rates, as anecdotal comments I’ve heard from friends and family overseas (mainly France, Holland, the USA) have pointed to it being way easier and/or cheaper to be tested here. So I wondered if our test rate, which has been 1 - 1.2 million per day for months now, is higher or lower.

    Is 4.7 million tests per million population an accurate stat? Does that mean the UK has conducted something like 320 million tests since testing began?
    I guess I've done about 60 LFTs, and until the latest un-QR'd batch, they were all logged. There will be a lot of people like me, who have had to do that for their job.
  • Dorset_BoyDorset_Boy Posts: 4,422
    I'd have thought 320 million is on the (very) low side given what Brian says, and you repeat that across all the schools.
  • jimmyjamsjimmyjams Posts: 509
    So far, the UK has registered around 293 million tests, this last week about 950,000; I don't know if those figures actually mean those with results (you will remember at the beginning, only those sent out were noted, not the ones received back).

    Some people claim the high incidence in the UK is due to the high number of tests (their logic being, the more you test, the more cases you will find), but I don't think it works like that. As in cases like that of briantrumpet (job requiring regular testing) and in cases of people following govt advice to get regularly tested for free (but perhaps without real need, as having been nowhere risky), you end up having a lot of people getting perhaps needlessly tested, and a perhaps misleadingly low positive rate (in the UK it is 2.9%).
  • ProssPross Posts: 29,951
    That may be true but you are also surely likely to pick up more positive asymptomatic cases too?
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 14,399
    It sounds like it is possible to book a booster at six months on the national vaccine website
  • briantrumpetbriantrumpet Posts: 8,075

    It sounds like it is possible to book a booster at six months on the national vaccine website

    Not me, though my six months isn't till 19 November.
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 14,399

    It sounds like it is possible to book a booster at six months on the national vaccine website

    Not me, though my six months isn't till 19 November.
    You've tried and failed? I feel like you should be able to make an appointment for 19th November.
  • briantrumpetbriantrumpet Posts: 8,075

    It sounds like it is possible to book a booster at six months on the national vaccine website

    Not me, though my six months isn't till 19 November.
    You've tried and failed? I feel like you should be able to make an appointment for 19th November.

    Yup. Just said I wasn't eligible for my booster yet.
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 14,399
    That's disappointing.
  • briantrumpetbriantrumpet Posts: 8,075

    That's disappointing.


    It doesn't yet look like the website's been modified at all for over-50s from prior to Javid's 'announcement', though I gather that 12-15yo's can book on it now, as a friend did just that for her son yesterday. (He's in a school where covid's been going nuts, and the vaccine service cancelled its whole-school vaccination day.)
  • briantrumpetbriantrumpet Posts: 8,075
    I'm so glad that Labour have got a completely clear response to Government hesitancy:

    Shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves said the UK government should introduce its ”plan B” to tackle the rising rates of coronavirus now.

    Speaking on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show, Reeves was asked what Labour’s position was on reintroducing restrictions such as the wearing of face coverings and working from home.

    She said: “Labour as a responsible opposition have always said that we would follow the science, and we’ve seen today that Sage (Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies) are saying that some aspects of plan B, like wearing masks on public transports and in shops, and also working from home more flexibly should be introduced.

    “I think the first thing is the government have got to do more to make plan A work. If the scientists are saying work from home and masks, we should do that. So get A working better because the vaccination programme has been stalling, introduce those parts of plan B.

    “But there are also things not in A or B that need to be done, like paying statutory sick pay from day one and also better ventilation in public spaces.”

    Asked directly whether plan B should be introduced now, she said: “Yes, but let’s not let the government off the hook with plan A either.”


    What?
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,893 Lives Here
    Early on you can give them the benefit of the doubt for being vague about things as they sort it out but they clearly are not in a position to articulate anything effectively.

    I read all the legal challenges they are still fighting from the Corbin times are sucking up a vast amount of their money.
  • briantrumpetbriantrumpet Posts: 8,075

    Early on you can give them the benefit of the doubt for being vague about things as they sort it out but they clearly are not in a position to articulate anything effectively.

    I read all the legal challenges they are still fighting from the Corbin times are sucking up a vast amount of their money.


    They seem to be in defensive mode, not wanting to offend anyone. It's not exactly a lesson in leadership.
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