The big Coronavirus thread
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There has also been outrage about not having vaccinated under 16s.Jezyboy said:I thought it was more that we were vaccinating the very low risk rather than sending jabs to high risk groups in other countries.
I hadn't seen anyone arguing against boosters for the frail.0 -
We call all read the news. What's your actual view though, BB?TheBigBean said:
There has also been outrage about not having vaccinated under 16s.Jezyboy said:I thought it was more that we were vaccinating the very low risk rather than sending jabs to high risk groups in other countries.
I hadn't seen anyone arguing against boosters for the frail.0 -
I'm thinking at present the government's "strategy" is hoping half term slows things down a bit.0
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Sure. We have significantly reduced the rate of vaccination, though. Still not seeing any outrage.TheBigBean said:
The UK sent 4m to Australia and 1m to Korea under swap deals.rjsterry said:
I missed the outrage, but we are now neither issuing boosters fast enough, nor sharing enough doses with the rest of the world.TheBigBean said:This forum seems to have gone from the outrage of booster jabs when many in the world haven't had their first to the idiocy of the government for not having done it several months ago.
At least 2m booster jabs have been given including one to my young colleague. They are being given at least 6 months after the second jab, so as he had his second jab very early he got his booster very early.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Given the six month requirement booster jabs should start to ramp up soon although the data doesn't seem to be published.rjsterry said:
Sure. We have significantly reduced the rate of vaccination, though. Still not seeing any outrage.TheBigBean said:
The UK sent 4m to Australia and 1m to Korea under swap deals.rjsterry said:
I missed the outrage, but we are now neither issuing boosters fast enough, nor sharing enough doses with the rest of the world.TheBigBean said:This forum seems to have gone from the outrage of booster jabs when many in the world haven't had their first to the idiocy of the government for not having done it several months ago.
At least 2m booster jabs have been given including one to my young colleague. They are being given at least 6 months after the second jab, so as he had his second jab very early he got his booster very early.0 -
My view is that it is not easy.First.Aspect said:
We call all read the news. What's your actual view though, BB?TheBigBean said:
There has also been outrage about not having vaccinated under 16s.Jezyboy said:I thought it was more that we were vaccinating the very low risk rather than sending jabs to high risk groups in other countries.
I hadn't seen anyone arguing against boosters for the frail.0 -
DeVlaeminck said:
I'm visiting my mum later I must ask her if she's had a booster - I must admit I hadn't realised they were even at the stage of rolling them out yet.
As far as restrictions go I do think their toolbox is obviously far more limited than previously - we can't go back to closing businesses, preventing people travelling to the next town etc - where we were this time last year.
The frustrating thing is that you only have to look across the Channel to see what continued mask mandates and vaccine passports can do, and that's with a sceptical public. But the UK government seems to think it can buck the trend.
Well, to be fair, it is bucking the trend...
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As I mentioned, we are still some way off completing the first round. We're obviously much better off than, say, Russia, but still room for improvement against our own previous performance.TheBigBean said:
Given the six month requirement booster jabs should start to ramp up soon although the data doesn't seem to be published.rjsterry said:
Sure. We have significantly reduced the rate of vaccination, though. Still not seeing any outrage.TheBigBean said:
The UK sent 4m to Australia and 1m to Korea under swap deals.rjsterry said:
I missed the outrage, but we are now neither issuing boosters fast enough, nor sharing enough doses with the rest of the world.TheBigBean said:This forum seems to have gone from the outrage of booster jabs when many in the world haven't had their first to the idiocy of the government for not having done it several months ago.
At least 2m booster jabs have been given including one to my young colleague. They are being given at least 6 months after the second jab, so as he had his second jab very early he got his booster very early.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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We've done 3.8 million boosters so far apparentlyTheBigBean said:
Given the six month requirement booster jabs should start to ramp up soon although the data doesn't seem to be published.rjsterry said:
Sure. We have significantly reduced the rate of vaccination, though. Still not seeing any outrage.TheBigBean said:
The UK sent 4m to Australia and 1m to Korea under swap deals.rjsterry said:
I missed the outrage, but we are now neither issuing boosters fast enough, nor sharing enough doses with the rest of the world.TheBigBean said:This forum seems to have gone from the outrage of booster jabs when many in the world haven't had their first to the idiocy of the government for not having done it several months ago.
At least 2m booster jabs have been given including one to my young colleague. They are being given at least 6 months after the second jab, so as he had his second jab very early he got his booster very early.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-vaccinations/
(England not UK)- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Good data finding. That is in England alone. Percentage of first dose people who have received a booster. I think the 6 month criteria is significant.pangolin said:
We've done 3.8 million boosters so far apparentlyTheBigBean said:
Given the six month requirement booster jabs should start to ramp up soon although the data doesn't seem to be published.rjsterry said:
Sure. We have significantly reduced the rate of vaccination, though. Still not seeing any outrage.TheBigBean said:
The UK sent 4m to Australia and 1m to Korea under swap deals.rjsterry said:
I missed the outrage, but we are now neither issuing boosters fast enough, nor sharing enough doses with the rest of the world.TheBigBean said:This forum seems to have gone from the outrage of booster jabs when many in the world haven't had their first to the idiocy of the government for not having done it several months ago.
At least 2m booster jabs have been given including one to my young colleague. They are being given at least 6 months after the second jab, so as he had his second jab very early he got his booster very early.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-vaccinations/
(England not UK)
Under 18 0.11%
18-24 1.23%
25-29 2.24%
30-34 2.57%
35-39 2.93%
40-44 3.57%
45-49 4.51%
50-54 6.35%
55-59 7.01%
60-64 7.14%
65-69 7.59%
70-74 16.12%
75-79 32.24%
80+ 46.81%
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That is due to hesitancy rather than availability.rjsterry said:
As I mentioned, we are still some way off completing the first round. We're obviously much better off than, say, Russia, but still room for improvement against our own previous performance.TheBigBean said:
Given the six month requirement booster jabs should start to ramp up soon although the data doesn't seem to be published.rjsterry said:
Sure. We have significantly reduced the rate of vaccination, though. Still not seeing any outrage.TheBigBean said:
The UK sent 4m to Australia and 1m to Korea under swap deals.rjsterry said:
I missed the outrage, but we are now neither issuing boosters fast enough, nor sharing enough doses with the rest of the world.TheBigBean said:This forum seems to have gone from the outrage of booster jabs when many in the world haven't had their first to the idiocy of the government for not having done it several months ago.
At least 2m booster jabs have been given including one to my young colleague. They are being given at least 6 months after the second jab, so as he had his second jab very early he got his booster very early.0 -
You wonder if the measures they have in Italy and France, namely, a vaccine passport requirement to do lots of things, have increased uptake.TheBigBean said:
That is due to hesitancy rather than availability.rjsterry said:
As I mentioned, we are still some way off completing the first round. We're obviously much better off than, say, Russia, but still room for improvement against our own previous performance.TheBigBean said:
Given the six month requirement booster jabs should start to ramp up soon although the data doesn't seem to be published.rjsterry said:
Sure. We have significantly reduced the rate of vaccination, though. Still not seeing any outrage.TheBigBean said:
The UK sent 4m to Australia and 1m to Korea under swap deals.rjsterry said:
I missed the outrage, but we are now neither issuing boosters fast enough, nor sharing enough doses with the rest of the world.TheBigBean said:This forum seems to have gone from the outrage of booster jabs when many in the world haven't had their first to the idiocy of the government for not having done it several months ago.
At least 2m booster jabs have been given including one to my young colleague. They are being given at least 6 months after the second jab, so as he had his second jab very early he got his booster very early.
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It's worth remembering the forecast of 200k cases a day in August. With lots of forecasts, someone will be right.briantrumpet said:0 -
There definitely needs to be a loss of some sort to those that continue to refuse a vaccine. As I've said before personal choice is fine but you have to accept the negatives of that choice. Will upset some of our 'civil liberties' exponents if they are still lurking though.rick_chasey said:
You wonder if the measures they have in Italy and France, namely, a vaccine passport requirement to do lots of things, have increased uptake.TheBigBean said:
That is due to hesitancy rather than availability.rjsterry said:
As I mentioned, we are still some way off completing the first round. We're obviously much better off than, say, Russia, but still room for improvement against our own previous performance.TheBigBean said:
Given the six month requirement booster jabs should start to ramp up soon although the data doesn't seem to be published.rjsterry said:
Sure. We have significantly reduced the rate of vaccination, though. Still not seeing any outrage.TheBigBean said:
The UK sent 4m to Australia and 1m to Korea under swap deals.rjsterry said:
I missed the outrage, but we are now neither issuing boosters fast enough, nor sharing enough doses with the rest of the world.TheBigBean said:This forum seems to have gone from the outrage of booster jabs when many in the world haven't had their first to the idiocy of the government for not having done it several months ago.
At least 2m booster jabs have been given including one to my young colleague. They are being given at least 6 months after the second jab, so as he had his second jab very early he got his booster very early.0 -
Still a problem to be solved.TheBigBean said:
That is due to hesitancy rather than availability.rjsterry said:
As I mentioned, we are still some way off completing the first round. We're obviously much better off than, say, Russia, but still room for improvement against our own previous performance.TheBigBean said:
Given the six month requirement booster jabs should start to ramp up soon although the data doesn't seem to be published.rjsterry said:
Sure. We have significantly reduced the rate of vaccination, though. Still not seeing any outrage.TheBigBean said:
The UK sent 4m to Australia and 1m to Korea under swap deals.rjsterry said:
I missed the outrage, but we are now neither issuing boosters fast enough, nor sharing enough doses with the rest of the world.TheBigBean said:This forum seems to have gone from the outrage of booster jabs when many in the world haven't had their first to the idiocy of the government for not having done it several months ago.
At least 2m booster jabs have been given including one to my young colleague. They are being given at least 6 months after the second jab, so as he had his second jab very early he got his booster very early.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
A different one and wholly unrelated to whether the willing are getting boosters.rjsterry said:
Still a problem to be solved.TheBigBean said:
That is due to hesitancy rather than availability.rjsterry said:
As I mentioned, we are still some way off completing the first round. We're obviously much better off than, say, Russia, but still room for improvement against our own previous performance.TheBigBean said:
Given the six month requirement booster jabs should start to ramp up soon although the data doesn't seem to be published.rjsterry said:
Sure. We have significantly reduced the rate of vaccination, though. Still not seeing any outrage.TheBigBean said:
The UK sent 4m to Australia and 1m to Korea under swap deals.rjsterry said:
I missed the outrage, but we are now neither issuing boosters fast enough, nor sharing enough doses with the rest of the world.TheBigBean said:This forum seems to have gone from the outrage of booster jabs when many in the world haven't had their first to the idiocy of the government for not having done it several months ago.
At least 2m booster jabs have been given including one to my young colleague. They are being given at least 6 months after the second jab, so as he had his second jab very early he got his booster very early.0 -
If it staves off a lockdown....Pross said:
There definitely needs to be a loss of some sort to those that continue to refuse a vaccine. As I've said before personal choice is fine but you have to accept the negatives of that choice. Will upset some of our 'civil liberties' exponents if they are still lurking though.rick_chasey said:
You wonder if the measures they have in Italy and France, namely, a vaccine passport requirement to do lots of things, have increased uptake.TheBigBean said:
That is due to hesitancy rather than availability.rjsterry said:
As I mentioned, we are still some way off completing the first round. We're obviously much better off than, say, Russia, but still room for improvement against our own previous performance.TheBigBean said:
Given the six month requirement booster jabs should start to ramp up soon although the data doesn't seem to be published.rjsterry said:
Sure. We have significantly reduced the rate of vaccination, though. Still not seeing any outrage.TheBigBean said:
The UK sent 4m to Australia and 1m to Korea under swap deals.rjsterry said:
I missed the outrage, but we are now neither issuing boosters fast enough, nor sharing enough doses with the rest of the world.TheBigBean said:This forum seems to have gone from the outrage of booster jabs when many in the world haven't had their first to the idiocy of the government for not having done it several months ago.
At least 2m booster jabs have been given including one to my young colleague. They are being given at least 6 months after the second jab, so as he had his second jab very early he got his booster very early.0 -
TheBigBean said:
A different one and wholly unrelated to whether the willing are getting boosters.rjsterry said:
Still a problem to be solved.TheBigBean said:
That is due to hesitancy rather than availability.rjsterry said:
As I mentioned, we are still some way off completing the first round. We're obviously much better off than, say, Russia, but still room for improvement against our own previous performance.TheBigBean said:
Given the six month requirement booster jabs should start to ramp up soon although the data doesn't seem to be published.rjsterry said:
Sure. We have significantly reduced the rate of vaccination, though. Still not seeing any outrage.TheBigBean said:
The UK sent 4m to Australia and 1m to Korea under swap deals.rjsterry said:
I missed the outrage, but we are now neither issuing boosters fast enough, nor sharing enough doses with the rest of the world.TheBigBean said:This forum seems to have gone from the outrage of booster jabs when many in the world haven't had their first to the idiocy of the government for not having done it several months ago.
At least 2m booster jabs have been given including one to my young colleague. They are being given at least 6 months after the second jab, so as he had his second jab very early he got his booster very early.
AFAIK the boosters are only after 6 months, and the big numbers were in Apr/May/Jun for 2nd doses, so it really ought to pick up from now. If it doesn't, something's badly wrong.
I had my flu jab yesterday, and hoping for/expecting a call for covid booster next month.0 -
You have to decide what is most important to you then, your next pay review/ bonus or your family.rick_chasey said:
Because strangers don't decide how much I get paid? My pay literally comes out of theirs.shirley_basso said:Then don't go to the work events?
I don't understand how you are so cocksure with strangers but so spineless with your employer
Until I can get my own thing going, I get paid to make their life easier, so you are entirely at the mercy of your boss. A peculiarity of the industry.
Plus, meeting people is a big part of the job, ultimately.
In the nicest way possible - how many funerals do you have coming up? I know your circumstances will be different to most on here with the potential of abroad travel, but surely you can swerve an event or 2 in the leadup to a funeral/ event.
I know how lucky I am to work somewhere where the bosses will bend over backwards for the staff, but at the same time I don't earn what I could elsewhere. You make you choices.0 -
My parents received boosters a couple of weeks back, Dad was/ is on the clinically extremely vulnerable list so probably at the head of the queue.0
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It's not so much swerving events as it is coming into the office every day.dinyull said:
You have to decide what is most important to you then, your next pay review/ bonus or your family.rick_chasey said:
Because strangers don't decide how much I get paid? My pay literally comes out of theirs.shirley_basso said:Then don't go to the work events?
I don't understand how you are so cocksure with strangers but so spineless with your employer
Until I can get my own thing going, I get paid to make their life easier, so you are entirely at the mercy of your boss. A peculiarity of the industry.
Plus, meeting people is a big part of the job, ultimately.
In the nicest way possible - how many funerals do you have coming up? I know your circumstances will be different to most on here with the potential of abroad travel, but surely you can swerve an event or 2 in the leadup to a funeral/ event.
I know how lucky I am to work somewhere where the bosses will bend over backwards for the staff, but at the same time I don't earn what I could elsewhere. You make you choices.
They work as if there is no rona - no masks, etc.
I'm sure I can decide not to come in but it is stressful, hence the initial comment, "i am finding it stressful".
I don't like the tone that this is "my fault" because I chose to work somewhere. I wasn't really anticipating having to attend family funerals during a global pandemic.0 -
Stress on future salary bump - that's how I read it. Sorry if not meant that way.
If there's no middle ground on working from home in the lead up to funerals/ events you can't miss then you need to change jobs. (edit - i don't mean this as matter as fact as it reads btw)
My office is the same re. rona - no masks etc. In fact one of the junior staff is getting tested today as has symptoms following a nightclub visit at weekend.0 -
First line of defence
We are grappling with the various different masks that we have to wear depending on the risk assessment. But what is far more important is how we breathe when we are wearing a mask and when we are not wearing one. First and foremost, nose breathing is our first line of defence against any unwanted particles as it acts as a filter.
The vast majority of potentially harmful bacteria, micro-organisms and pollutants will get trapped in the nasal mucous. As a result, anything inhaled directly into the lungs can potentially stay inside for up to 120 days.
Please consider this when talking to your patient. You should at all times slowly inhale though your nose, then speak and then exhale slowly out through your nose. Remember when you are mouth-breathing, you are bypassing your natural respiratory defence. If you are mouth breathing behind your mask when operating, you are increasing your risk of infection.
https://dentistry.co.uk/2020/08/06/breathing-crucial-covid-prevention/0 -
I've not been on here for a while - can I ask how everyone is getting on with their lives etc?
Are you going about business as "fairly" normal or still distancing?
I have a dad who (as above) is extremely clinically vulnerable, but also have 2 kids (4 years and 7 months). Whilst not going about our business as normal, we're going swimming/ soft play/ 4 year old is at school etc. and Dad has just returned from holiday abroad.
He's coming from his 2nd bout of chemo in 3 years (3rd in 15), and think his outlook is he doesn't know how long he has anyway, despite being given another all clear.0 -
I'm going about my personal and work-related business as usual. I work in an office (about 1/4 full) and my wife is a vet, but they are not allowing owners into the practice, just pets. I have 2 kids (3 and 6m) who are both at nursery full time and they have the odd case in there but due to regulations don't need to self isolate / test unless displaying symptoms. Both children have horrendous coughs, but have done since they started nursery (both started age 4 months) and test negative.
Parents and in laws are sort of vulnerable but we don't see them that often. MiL is at risk of pneumonia and my mum smokes quite heavily.
Unless someone specifically asks me - I have stopped all forms of social distancing / mask wearing etc. For example I went to the cinema last week and didn't wear a mask during. I am double jabbed. I am not anti-mask, I just hate wearing the ****ing things and I am extremely fortunate that COVID (apart from the inconvenience) has broadly passed me by. I don't know anyone who has died or anyone who has had it particularly badly. One colleague (former oxford blue rower) had it and said it was horrific and he wears a mask almost all the time so as to not have it again.
I know I am being complacent.0 -
focuszing723 said:
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I am not getting involved in crowds unless it is in my interest to do so. I am pragmatic in mask wearing to the circumstance. I tend to run down my interaction 10-5 days before meeting vulnerable family members and do some lateral flow tests. I live in a rural area and can choose within reason when I visit the office. Not everyone has this luxury.dinyull said:I've not been on here for a while - can I ask how everyone is getting on with their lives etc?
Are you going about business as "fairly" normal or still distancing?
I have a dad who (as above) is extremely clinically vulnerable, but also have 2 kids (4 years and 7 months). Whilst not going about our business as normal, we're going swimming/ soft play/ 4 year old is at school etc. and Dad has just returned from holiday abroad.
He's coming from his 2nd bout of chemo in 3 years (3rd in 15), and think his outlook is he doesn't know how long he has anyway, despite being given another all clear.0 -
focuszing723 - Why do you keep posting the bleeding obvious?
Any mouth breathers want to fess up?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Wfh, socially distancing and wearing a mask indoors in public places. My immediate social circle are doing the same (wfh being the exception), zero covid caught. Different story in my wider circle.dinyull said:I've not been on here for a while - can I ask how everyone is getting on with their lives etc?
Are you going about business as "fairly" normal or still distancing?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0
