The big Coronavirus thread
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john80 said:
Given this gathering seems to have involved one person does anyone actually give a censored . Half the posters on this forum will have done a lot worse. It hardly a rave.briantrumpet said:Ah, one rule for us, one rule for them...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/18/nimco-ali-christmas-stay-boris-carrie-johnson-covid-lockdown
As far as I'm aware, none of the forum posters is the Prime Minister. Kinda different, dontcha think?0 -
Lordy, what a joke. Okehampton has the highest rate in Devon at 1,190/100k, and the schools vaccine service cancelled last week's visit to the big secondary school there.
Meanwhile, in Uffculme, it's just 43/100k.
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There should be disclaimer so its clear.
If 1 person got Corona in my village that would be 400/100k.
1200/100K would be the stats if my little one brought it home and we all tested positive while isolating.0 -
The prime minister is surrounded by people everyday in unavoidable situations. The general public are not. So just as pretty much everyone in the UK pushed or broke the boundaries of lockdown rules over Christmas I would argue that he was pretty restrained if all he had round was this bird in addition to the how many staff that are in Downing Street.briantrumpet said:john80 said:
Given this gathering seems to have involved one person does anyone actually give a censored . Half the posters on this forum will have done a lot worse. It hardly a rave.briantrumpet said:Ah, one rule for us, one rule for them...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/18/nimco-ali-christmas-stay-boris-carrie-johnson-covid-lockdown
As far as I'm aware, none of the forum posters is the Prime Minister. Kinda different, dontcha think?
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I think what we're seeing here is the concept of getting the Government you deserve except that it is more the case that we are all getting Governments that around half the country deserve. If people are happy to accept (and even defend) those who make the rules breaking them when it suits their own devices we really are screwed. As for 'this bird' is that a reference to the turkey they had or are we still living in the 70s?1
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Pross said:
I think what we're seeing here is the concept of getting the Government you deserve except that it is more the case that we are all getting Governments that around half the country deserve. If people are happy to accept (and even defend) those who make the rules breaking them when it suits their own devices we really are screwed. As for 'this bird' is that a reference to the turkey they had or are we still living in the 70s?
If Johnson is leading by example, we'll be a country of lazy, lying, unprincipled, unfaithful idiots. Maybe that's the country some people hanker for...0 -
There they go again, the Telegraph running down the UK, and praising anything European...
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It's over 100 a day currently.john80 said:Rates are going to be high for a while as life has to go on. I was at an engineering meeting and rig hall visit last week and one of the guys tested positive a couple of days later but most likely got this from his personal life prior. The point really is everyone there was vaccinated and we moved the job forward much better than teams. Schools are now a do what you like environment particularly in primary schools so it was always going to go mental. When we are looking at tens of deaths a day is this mainly the vulnerable and unvaccinated?
I've now been contacted about 3 seperate events on Friday, Saturday and Sunday saying there was a positive case there. Lat flow negative so far though.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Is 100 a day bad though. If it is mainly the unvaccinated and infirm then is this much worse that the 500k that die a year as a base number.pangolin said:
It's over 100 a day currently.john80 said:Rates are going to be high for a while as life has to go on. I was at an engineering meeting and rig hall visit last week and one of the guys tested positive a couple of days later but most likely got this from his personal life prior. The point really is everyone there was vaccinated and we moved the job forward much better than teams. Schools are now a do what you like environment particularly in primary schools so it was always going to go mental. When we are looking at tens of deaths a day is this mainly the vulnerable and unvaccinated?
I've now been contacted about 3 seperate events on Friday, Saturday and Sunday saying there was a positive case there. Lat flow negative so far though.
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600k for the last 5 years, 700k in 2020. If you're going to make sweeping statements about public health you could do worse than making the numbers a little more accurate.john80 said:
Is 100 a day bad though. If it is mainly the unvaccinated and infirm then is this much worse that the 500k that die a year as a base number.pangolin said:
It's over 100 a day currently.john80 said:Rates are going to be high for a while as life has to go on. I was at an engineering meeting and rig hall visit last week and one of the guys tested positive a couple of days later but most likely got this from his personal life prior. The point really is everyone there was vaccinated and we moved the job forward much better than teams. Schools are now a do what you like environment particularly in primary schools so it was always going to go mental. When we are looking at tens of deaths a day is this mainly the vulnerable and unvaccinated?
I've now been contacted about 3 seperate events on Friday, Saturday and Sunday saying there was a positive case there. Lat flow negative so far though.
I don't know how many of the current ~100 per day are excess, which is the key thing.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Other keys are hospital capacity and long term complications.
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Yes, John. People dying of a preventable disease at an increasing rate is bad. Feels like I'm stating the obvious there.john80 said:
Is 100 a day bad though. If it is mainly the unvaccinated and infirm then is this much worse that the 500k that die a year as a base number.pangolin said:
It's over 100 a day currently.john80 said:Rates are going to be high for a while as life has to go on. I was at an engineering meeting and rig hall visit last week and one of the guys tested positive a couple of days later but most likely got this from his personal life prior. The point really is everyone there was vaccinated and we moved the job forward much better than teams. Schools are now a do what you like environment particularly in primary schools so it was always going to go mental. When we are looking at tens of deaths a day is this mainly the vulnerable and unvaccinated?
I've now been contacted about 3 seperate events on Friday, Saturday and Sunday saying there was a positive case there. Lat flow negative so far though.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Report from daughter: only about 1/3 of her class were vaccinated the other 2/3 chose not to. Anti-vax w***ers were picketing the school as well.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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2/3rds chose not to? FFS.
Do they not know how many other vaccinations they've had in their lives?
For a generation that get their information exclusively from the internet, misinformation seems to be a really big problem.
At leas the government is putting more money into media stud..oh wait.0 -
This is 12 year olds; parents are making the choice, not the children.rick_chasey said:2/3rds chose not to? FFS.
Do they not know how many other vaccinations they've had in their lives?
For a generation that get their information exclusively from the internet, misinformation seems to be a really big problem.
At leas the government is putting more money into media stud..oh wait.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Are we still reporting based on a positive Covid test in the past 28 days though? The excess deaths at the moment would be interesting. Also, do all people going into hospital get tested for Covid as again that would presumably impact on the figures.rjsterry said:
Yes, John. People dying of a preventable disease at an increasing rate is bad. Feels like I'm stating the obvious there.john80 said:
Is 100 a day bad though. If it is mainly the unvaccinated and infirm then is this much worse that the 500k that die a year as a base number.pangolin said:
It's over 100 a day currently.john80 said:Rates are going to be high for a while as life has to go on. I was at an engineering meeting and rig hall visit last week and one of the guys tested positive a couple of days later but most likely got this from his personal life prior. The point really is everyone there was vaccinated and we moved the job forward much better than teams. Schools are now a do what you like environment particularly in primary schools so it was always going to go mental. When we are looking at tens of deaths a day is this mainly the vulnerable and unvaccinated?
I've now been contacted about 3 seperate events on Friday, Saturday and Sunday saying there was a positive case there. Lat flow negative so far though.0 -
It's a good question - they break the data down between "covid listed on death certificate" and death within a positive testPross said:
Are we still reporting based on a positive Covid test in the past 28 days though? The excess deaths at the moment would be interesting. Also, do all people going into hospital get tested for Covid as again that would presumably impact on the figures.rjsterry said:
Yes, John. People dying of a preventable disease at an increasing rate is bad. Feels like I'm stating the obvious there.john80 said:
Is 100 a day bad though. If it is mainly the unvaccinated and infirm then is this much worse that the 500k that die a year as a base number.pangolin said:
It's over 100 a day currently.john80 said:Rates are going to be high for a while as life has to go on. I was at an engineering meeting and rig hall visit last week and one of the guys tested positive a couple of days later but most likely got this from his personal life prior. The point really is everyone there was vaccinated and we moved the job forward much better than teams. Schools are now a do what you like environment particularly in primary schools so it was always going to go mental. When we are looking at tens of deaths a day is this mainly the vulnerable and unvaccinated?
I've now been contacted about 3 seperate events on Friday, Saturday and Sunday saying there was a positive case there. Lat flow negative so far though.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
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They've probably heard experts saying that for children the risk of Covid doesn't warrant taking the risk of the vaccine. I accept that this isn't just about individual risk but I can understand parents not caring so much about the collective risk to us all when it comes to their own kids.rick_chasey said:Ah gotcha.
Even worse!!
What changes between them as babies and now?[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
I do get cheesed off that people give parents a free pass to be anti-social because it's "understandable".
We all live in a society and we all have a responsibility to behave in a socially additive way - in return, we get to have a lot of agency to be individuals.
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For only taking into consideration the welfare of their kids ?[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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If it's at the expense of everyone else, then yeah, I don't agree with that.DeVlaeminck said:For only taking into consideration the welfare of their kids ?
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Excess deaths stats hererick_chasey said:
It's a good question - they break the data down between "covid listed on death certificate" and death within a positive testPross said:
Are we still reporting based on a positive Covid test in the past 28 days though? The excess deaths at the moment would be interesting. Also, do all people going into hospital get tested for Covid as again that would presumably impact on the figures.rjsterry said:
Yes, John. People dying of a preventable disease at an increasing rate is bad. Feels like I'm stating the obvious there.john80 said:
Is 100 a day bad though. If it is mainly the unvaccinated and infirm then is this much worse that the 500k that die a year as a base number.pangolin said:
It's over 100 a day currently.john80 said:Rates are going to be high for a while as life has to go on. I was at an engineering meeting and rig hall visit last week and one of the guys tested positive a couple of days later but most likely got this from his personal life prior. The point really is everyone there was vaccinated and we moved the job forward much better than teams. Schools are now a do what you like environment particularly in primary schools so it was always going to go mental. When we are looking at tens of deaths a day is this mainly the vulnerable and unvaccinated?
I've now been contacted about 3 seperate events on Friday, Saturday and Sunday saying there was a positive case there. Lat flow negative so far though.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiYmUwNmFhMjYtNGZhYS00NDk2LWFlMTAtOTg0OGNhNmFiNGM0IiwidCI6ImVlNGUxNDk5LTRhMzUtNGIyZS1hZDQ3LTVmM2NmOWRlODY2NiIsImMiOjh9
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It does seem that the communication around the balence of jabbing teenagers has been quite poor.
From what I remember DeVlaeminck's synopsis is quite a simplification (apologies if not, as a parent of young people you've possibly been following it more closely)
I beleive the balence question didn't look at any wider societal problems that come from having loads of teens with covid, even those that directly impact the teenagers, such as their own education.
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Personal experience tells me that they catch it at school and give it to their parents, even if the parents are double jabbed. Niece and brother both unwell, not deadly, but wouldn't wish it on anyone.DeVlaeminck said:
They've probably heard experts saying that for children the risk of Covid doesn't warrant taking the risk of the vaccine. I accept that this isn't just about individual risk but I can understand parents not caring so much about the collective risk to us all when it comes to their own kids.rick_chasey said:Ah gotcha.
Even worse!!
What changes between them as babies and now?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
No my kids are all over 18 and all jabbed I can just sympathise with people who maybe read something like this and decide that they aren't going to sign their kids up to some small risk of a serious reaction for the greater good.Jezyboy said:It does seem that the communication around the balence of jabbing teenagers has been quite poor.
From what I remember DeVlaeminck's synopsis is quite a simplification (apologies if not, as a parent of young people you've possibly been following it more closely)
I beleive the balence question didn't look at any wider societal problems that come from having loads of teens with covid, even those that directly impact the teenagers, such as their own education.
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/07/13/covid-19-vaccines-for-children-hypothetical-benefits-to-adults-do-not-outweigh-risks-to-children/[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
rick_chasey said:
I do get cheesed off that people give parents a free pass to be anti-social because it's "understandable".
It's not exactly Ubuntu, is it?Ben
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Ironically, if we end up in another lockdown, they will be the first to moan because they'll get to entertain their kids at home, instead of shipping them off to school.rick_chasey said:I do get cheesed off that people give parents a free pass to be anti-social because it's "understandable".
We all live in a society and we all have a responsibility to behave in a socially additive way - in return, we get to have a lot of agency to be individuals."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Is it really a preventable disease though. How would your life look like if you tried to prevent getting covid with a high degree of confidence. Seems lonely to me and a bit different to most other preventable diseases.rjsterry said:
Yes, John. People dying of a preventable disease at an increasing rate is bad. Feels like I'm stating the obvious there.john80 said:
Is 100 a day bad though. If it is mainly the unvaccinated and infirm then is this much worse that the 500k that die a year as a base number.pangolin said:
It's over 100 a day currently.john80 said:Rates are going to be high for a while as life has to go on. I was at an engineering meeting and rig hall visit last week and one of the guys tested positive a couple of days later but most likely got this from his personal life prior. The point really is everyone there was vaccinated and we moved the job forward much better than teams. Schools are now a do what you like environment particularly in primary schools so it was always going to go mental. When we are looking at tens of deaths a day is this mainly the vulnerable and unvaccinated?
I've now been contacted about 3 seperate events on Friday, Saturday and Sunday saying there was a positive case there. Lat flow negative so far though.
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