The big Coronavirus thread

Ncovidius

kingstongraham said:

Ncovidius said:

Hospitalisations are now at a level not seen since March 2021. Which is a problem. If it’s the vaccinated / double jabbed that are causing the issue, the ‘wonder vaccines’ aren’t working as well as hoped, if it’s the unvaccinated that are causing the spike, then the virus is causing issues in an age group we’ve been assured would be fine. Either way, it’s looking extremely dodgy. We’re still in ‘summer load’ mode ( average of 1 person contacting 4 others ). In ‘winter mode’ it’s typically 1 person contacting 10-12 people. It only takes a large spike in hospitalisations to invoke lock downs, the death rate is secondary. The Americans are advocating a re jab after 8 months, how many are going to agree with that?

There's a lot of virus around and we opened everything up.

The vaccines are doing better than originally hoped for.

I agree, it’s almost certainly more down to the amount of virus about than the vaccines not working, but I can’t help but see another winding in of freedoms, in some form, if things do go any further south.

kingstongraham

kingstongraham said:

I remember someone on here pointing out last March that what the USA were doing through massive incompetence, we were doing as a formal policy.

Ay, there it was. Sc, long the voice of wisdom.

https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/20617614/#Comment_20617614

surrey_commuter

kingstongraham said:

kingstongraham said:

I remember someone on here pointing out last March that what the USA were doing through massive incompetence, we were doing as a formal policy.

Ay, there it was. Sc, long the voice of wisdom.

https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/20617614/#Comment_20617614

a stopped clock...

how you lot remember stuff is beyond me

Dorset_Boy

LFR test today has returned a positive for me, 5 days after the boy tested positive following his return from Boardmasters. PCR ordered. Feels a bit like a sinus infection / summer cold, but tired with it. Son has been coughing continually for 8 days now.
Not the way I planned on spending this week off!

N0bodyOfTheGoat

Dorset_Boy said:

LFR test today has returned a positive for me, 5 days after the boy tested positive following his return from Boardmasters. PCR ordered. Feels a bit like a sinus infection / summer cold, but tired with it. Son has been coughing continually for 8 days now.
Not the way I planned on spending this week off!

Happy to be corrected, but of last Monday, you don't have to isolate until your PCR result comes back positive or you have one of the three principal symptoms (continuous cough, hot torso to the touch, change of smell/taste) in England.

From what I gather, having someone else positive and/or showing symptoms no longer means you have to isolate, you can spread your potential Delta wherever you please until you have symptoms or a positive PCR test.

Even PCR tests aren't mandatory for you in your situation, from what I understand... Madness IMO if I haven't got the wrong end of the stick on the England rules since 16th August.

First.Aspect

N0bodyOfTheGoat said:

Dorset_Boy said:

LFR test today has returned a positive for me, 5 days after the boy tested positive following his return from Boardmasters. PCR ordered. Feels a bit like a sinus infection / summer cold, but tired with it. Son has been coughing continually for 8 days now.
Not the way I planned on spending this week off!

Happy to be corrected, but of last Monday, you don't have to isolate until your PCR result comes back positive or you have one of the three principal symptoms (continuous cough, hot torso to the touch, change of smell/taste) in England.

From what I gather, having someone else positive and/or showing symptoms no longer means you have to isolate, you can spread your potential Delta wherever you please until you have symptoms or a positive PCR test.

Even PCR tests aren't mandatory for you in your situation, from what I understand... Madness IMO if I haven't got the wrong end of the stick on the England rules since 16th August.

Sure, but please ignore govt and isolate if you are living closely with someone who has it. Particularly if the LFT is positive. I don't recall those being very prone to false positives.

orraloon

But Spaffer declared England to be 'free'. Full capacity football grounds, Reading 'teenager rite of passage' festival this weekend... This covid stuff is so last year.

Pross

Dorset_Boy said:

LFR test today has returned a positive for me, 5 days after the boy tested positive following his return from Boardmasters. PCR ordered. Feels a bit like a sinus infection / summer cold, but tired with it. Son has been coughing continually for 8 days now.
Not the way I planned on spending this week off!

Had a night out on Wednesday with work (just a meal, no drinking as I had to drive and no contact with people outside the company other than waiting staff). Started feeling crappy on Saturday afternoon with what I think is just a head cold and feeling worn out. I got a negative LFT so I'm pretty sure it is just a cold as the symptoms aren't 'classic' Covid just sneezing loads, bunged up, a bit of a sore throat and slightly warm to the touch. That said, I'm never convinced I'm doing the LFT correctly as I really struggle to do the throat swab. No-one else who was out seems to have come down with anything whether a cold or Covid though which is odd.

darkhairedlord

Pross said:

Dorset_Boy said:

LFR test today has returned a positive for me, 5 days after the boy tested positive following his return from Boardmasters. PCR ordered. Feels a bit like a sinus infection / summer cold, but tired with it. Son has been coughing continually for 8 days now.
Not the way I planned on spending this week off!

Had a night out on Wednesday with work (just a meal, no drinking as I had to drive and no contact with people outside the company other than waiting staff). Started feeling crappy on Saturday afternoon with what I think is just a head cold and feeling worn out. I got a negative LFT so I'm pretty sure it is just a cold as the symptoms aren't 'classic' Covid just sneezing loads, bunged up, a bit of a sore throat and slightly warm to the touch. That said, I'm never convinced I'm doing the LFT correctly as I really struggle to do the throat swab. No-one else who was out seems to have come down with anything whether a cold or Covid though which is odd.

Had this since start of last week; LFT negative on monday and friday. I blame the kids/wife/wiggle.

kingstonian

Rick - update for you on the requirements to travel on a short trip overseas......

My wife spoke with the Dutch embassy again. For her to go to Holland to see her father, who is ill, she has now been told she will need paperwork to prove she is double vaccinated (they won’t accept the NHS app so she’s requested what she needs from the NHS website), will need a negative PCR test conducted soon before she leaves the UK, and also a letter from her father’s doctor confirming his ill health. This last bit of necessary paperwork wasn’t mentioned before.

To return home, she’ll need to have a negative PCR test done within 72 hrs of arrival back in the UK.

She plans to take a PCR test in the UK on a Wednesday pm, fly to Holland on Friday morning, as soon as she lands in Schipol and has been granted entry will then go to a PCR test facility in the airport for another PCR test, then travel to her parents and then fly back to London on the Sunday.

rick_chasey

Thanks. That's really helpful. Sounds similar.

I am getting unstuck with the paperwork regarding the exemption for quarantine (in your wife's instance, the ill father, in my instance, the death of my grandmother) as the actual funeral will have happened over a month before the memorial as we weren't able to make it in time due to family members not being double-jabbed.

I will try the embassy again.

(on a sperate note, I hope this puts to bed the whole idea that I am happy for all of these restrictions, as I have had a family member suffer the indignity of not having anyone there at the cremation apart from the actual cremator).

kingstonian

rick_chasey said:

Thanks. That's really helpful. Sounds similar.

I am getting unstuck with the paperwork regarding the exemption for quarantine (in your wife's instance, the ill father, in my instance, the death of my grandmother) as the actual funeral will have happened over a month before the memorial as we weren't able to make it in time due to family members not being double-jabbed.

I will try the embassy again.

(on a sperate note, I hope this puts to bed the whole idea that I am happy for all of these restrictions, as I have had a family member suffer the indignity of not having anyone there at the cremation apart from the actual cremator).

No problem, hopefully it helps. It is really tricky to unpick the rules, especially when it is a short trip for unusual circumstances such as what my wife and also you are dealing with.

pangolin

"Wake up sheeple!" Yells the conspiracy theorist, before chugging livestock dewormer.

https://twitter.com/US_FDA/status/1429050070243192839?s=19

elbowloh

Sticking this here as its COVID related, its not trivial and i can't find the "rants" thread.

Found out the the firm i got made redundant from last year after 10 years service at the height of the COVID pandemic and who paid me a pitiful redundancy deal, made a turnover of over £1bn for the first time that year and made huge profits.

Turns out that they're weren't really much of "a family company" after all in spite of all the protestations to that affect. They made lots of long-serving people redundant during that time.

Ben6899

Would be intrigued to hear you who you used to work for, @elbowloh ... I think we're in the same industry.

elbowloh

Ben6899 said:

Would be intrigued to hear you who you used to work for, @elbowloh ... I think we're in the same industry.

I've hinted a few times previously, but would rather not say tbh!

I' currently working on HS2 tunnels.

Ben6899

I can probably guess, tbh.

rjsterry

Dorset_Boy said:

LFR test today has returned a positive for me, 5 days after the boy tested positive following his return from Boardmasters. PCR ordered. Feels a bit like a sinus infection / summer cold, but tired with it. Son has been coughing continually for 8 days now.
Not the way I planned on spending this week off!

That's rough. Hope it doesn't develop into anything worse.

Dorset_Boy

rjsterry said:

Dorset_Boy said:

LFR test today has returned a positive for me, 5 days after the boy tested positive following his return from Boardmasters. PCR ordered. Feels a bit like a sinus infection / summer cold, but tired with it. Son has been coughing continually for 8 days now.
Not the way I planned on spending this week off!

That's rough. Hope it doesn't develop into anything worse.

Thanks, not feeling as rough today as yesterday, but still achy joints, temperature and feeling whacked.
Son is perking up which is good.

Ncovidius

orraloon said:

But Spaffer declared England to be 'free'. Full capacity football grounds, Reading 'teenager rite of passage' festival this weekend... This covid stuff is so last year.

How big a sting in the tail there is going to be is yet to be discovered. I’m trying to live my life as normally as I can at the moment. I’m going out, meeting groups of friends, and generally socialising as normally as possible. The trend of hospitalisations is upwards, certainly in the last three weeks, we are in a worse situation than we were at this time last year, mainly down to the Delta variant I believe. There were some eminent medical types being interviewed on the news last night, who were echoing my thoughts on where this is going to go when schools are back, and the football season is in full flow ( and Rugby ), and when the weather / time of the year means most people are back in closer contact with one another. October 2021 until March 2022 is going to be interesting, from that point of view.

DeVlaeminck

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-58330796

Sad story of a woman in her 40s who died due to blood clots caused by the AZ vaccine. I can see some vaccines being phased out in the future due to having a higher rate of complications than others.

Ncovidius

DeVlaeminck said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-58330796

Sad story of a woman in her 40s who died due to blood clots caused by the AZ vaccine. I can see some vaccines being phased out in the future due to having a higher rate of complications than others.

I believe the U.K. government are ordering the Pfizer vaccine preferentially over the OAZ vaccine from now on.

TheBigBean

The study, published in the British Medical Journal, looked for complications up to 28 days after being jabbed or infected.

It found that for every 10 million people vaccinated with the AstraZeneca vaccine:

an extra 107 would be hospitalised or die from thrombocytopenia, which can cause internal bleeding and haemorrhages, but that was nearly nine times lower than the risk of the same condition following an infection
an extra 66 would be hospitalised or die from blood clots in the veins, but that was nearly 200 times lower than the risk following an infection

For every 10 million people vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine, it found:

143 extra strokes would be seen, but that was nearly 12 times lower than the risk following an infection

DeVlaeminck

TheBigBean said:

The study, published in the British Medical Journal, looked for complications up to 28 days after being jabbed or infected.

It found that for every 10 million people vaccinated with the AstraZeneca vaccine:

an extra 107 would be hospitalised or die from thrombocytopenia, which can cause internal bleeding and haemorrhages, but that was nearly nine times lower than the risk of the same condition following an infection
an extra 66 would be hospitalised or die from blood clots in the veins, but that was nearly 200 times lower than the risk following an infection

For every 10 million people vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine, it found:

143 extra strokes would be seen, but that was nearly 12 times lower than the risk following an infection

Yes but that would still be over 1000 people per year if the whole UK population were vaccinated with AZ. It's significant enough - over 50% of the figure who are killed on UK roads - that in time we'd all at least know someone who knew someone that it had happened to.

I mean I had AZ, I'd have AZ again if that is all that is on offer but I might ask if the Pfizer one is available.

pblakeney

DeVlaeminck said:

TheBigBean said:

The study, published in the British Medical Journal, looked for complications up to 28 days after being jabbed or infected.

It found that for every 10 million people vaccinated with the AstraZeneca vaccine:

an extra 107 would be hospitalised or die from thrombocytopenia, which can cause internal bleeding and haemorrhages, but that was nearly nine times lower than the risk of the same condition following an infection
an extra 66 would be hospitalised or die from blood clots in the veins, but that was nearly 200 times lower than the risk following an infection

For every 10 million people vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine, it found:

143 extra strokes would be seen, but that was nearly 12 times lower than the risk following an infection

Yes but that would still be over 1000 people per year if the whole UK population were vaccinated with AZ....

And yet, how many cases has there been?
I'll hazard much, much less than 1000.

DeVlaeminck

Yes because I miscalculated - added the Pfizer numbers in as well !

DeVlaeminck

DeVlaeminck said:

Yes because I miscalculated - added the Pfizer numbers in as well and read them as deaths !!

Ok it's much lower - bit the point is the perception could be problematic even if the risk is low.

pblakeney

DeVlaeminck said:

DeVlaeminck said:

Yes because I miscalculated - added the Pfizer numbers in as well and read them as deaths !!

Ok it's much lower - bit the point is the perception could be problematic even if the risk is low.

The perception will be a problem if people keep on over egging it. 😉

Pross

It's the usual problem that the headline concentrates on the risk but a lot of people won't go beyond to the bit where it is significantly lower than the risk of the same things happening if you catch Covid and the same as it is for a flu jab.

TheBigBean

DeVlaeminck said:

TheBigBean said:

The study, published in the British Medical Journal, looked for complications up to 28 days after being jabbed or infected.

It found that for every 10 million people vaccinated with the AstraZeneca vaccine:

an extra 107 would be hospitalised or die from thrombocytopenia, which can cause internal bleeding and haemorrhages, but that was nearly nine times lower than the risk of the same condition following an infection
an extra 66 would be hospitalised or die from blood clots in the veins, but that was nearly 200 times lower than the risk following an infection

For every 10 million people vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine, it found:

143 extra strokes would be seen, but that was nearly 12 times lower than the risk following an infection

Yes but that would still be over 1000 people per year if the whole UK population were vaccinated with AZ. It's significant enough - over 50% of the figure who are killed on UK roads - that in time we'd all at least know someone who knew someone that it had happened to.

I mean I had AZ, I'd have AZ again if that is all that is on offer but I might ask if the Pfizer one is available.

You'd prefer a stroke? Or should I infer from your subsequent posts that you missed that was an option with Pfizer?