The big Coronavirus thread
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I'm a bit confused. Six EU states have overtaken the UK for percentage of adults double-jabbed, and neither are the EU-philes trumpeting it as they might be expected to, nor are those who expect the EU-philes to praise every success of the UK.0
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I did say currently. It’s quite clear what assumption I have used.First.Aspect said:
It isn't.morstar said:
My first hand experience is that the world definitely is getting back to a normal state. But important to recognise that it is currently 30K deaths on top of 100K+john80 said:
So 10k above flu and there will be a large overlap between those groups. Those who think the world is not going to go back to pretty much how it was before are kidding themselves.morstar said:
I think he will ride it out but numbers are no longer going down steadily and we are at a mortality rate of 30K per year.Jezyboy said:
Meh. Think this time he will ride it out as numbers are going down steadily. It looks like the country can withstand a wave without totally blowing hospital capacity.pblakeney said:BJ just doesn't learn even the simplest of lessons.
It's only been a couple of weeks and here we go again.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58123017
Although maybe he'll be kicking himself about a missed opportunity to use himself as a bio weapon against Nicola.
600 ish deaths a week reflects the infection rates weeks ago. Since that has roughly halved, today's infections will correspond to about 300ish a week.
The infections have plateaued a bit because of the 19 July reopening. I have a hunch that they will start to fall a bit faster soon. And then it becomes an interesting policy debate in terms of acceptable ongoing rates.
Schools are off, people are outdoors in summer and it’s not football season. Can easily increase again quite rapidly if you want to model data. I didn’t model, I made a simple extrapolation.
Plus school kids aren’t testing at present so the dataset is fundamentally different.0 -
Over 50s have lost interest now their own peer group are all vaccinated - they are only interested in reopening as soon as possible as to reduce the inconvenience.briantrumpet said:I'm a bit confused. Six EU states have overtaken the UK for percentage of adults double-jabbed, and neither are the EU-philes trumpeting it as they might be expected to, nor are those who expect the EU-philes to praise every success of the UK.
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I wouldn't expect the EU-philes to trumpet it. I think the apparent EU-philes are much more balenced than those expecting the EU-philes to praise Boris for not getting too involved in the vaccinations.briantrumpet said:I'm a bit confused. Six EU states have overtaken the UK for percentage of adults double-jabbed, and neither are the EU-philes trumpeting it as they might be expected to, nor are those who expect the EU-philes to praise every success of the UK.
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Do we know if it is a lack of doses or a lack of jabbees?rick_chasey said:0 -
Lack of jabees I think.
I think a lot of people who have had it will not see the point of being vaccinated.
Obviously they are wrong, but my hunch is that's what's happening in the younger age groups. Am I right that the % uptake in the 18-24 is now higher than in 25-29. That would be about right - the age group where opinion most outstrips knowledge and experience.0 -
I'd have flipped those age groupings. I was more sure I was right under 25 and more experienced over 25. People are different.First.Aspect said:Lack of jabees I think.
I think a lot of people who have had it will not see the point of being vaccinated.
Obviously they are wrong, but my hunch is that's what's happening in the younger age groups. Am I right that the % uptake in the 18-24 is now higher than in 25-29. That would be about right - the age group where opinion most outstrips knowledge and experience.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
surrey_commuter said:
Do we know if it is a lack of doses or a lack of jabbees?rick_chasey said:
Bit of both. But more a lack of pressure to keep going, I suspect.surrey_commuter said:
Do we know if it is a lack of doses or a lack of jabbees?rick_chasey said:1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Yes but 30 is the new 25 etc.pblakeney said:
I'd have flipped those age groupings. I was more sure I was right under 25 and more experienced over 25. People are different.First.Aspect said:Lack of jabees I think.
I think a lot of people who have had it will not see the point of being vaccinated.
Obviously they are wrong, but my hunch is that's what's happening in the younger age groups. Am I right that the % uptake in the 18-24 is now higher than in 25-29. That would be about right - the age group where opinion most outstrips knowledge and experience.0 -
The younger age group maybe more worried about vaccine passports for clubs etc? Late 20s I'm guessing that's not such a deal breaker[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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Anecdote alert.
My brother in law’s wife is refusing the vaccine. She’s pregnant.
My mother in law didn’t know that masks protect others not you.0 -
This is hardly surprising, active posters on here don't get it after being told many times.rick_chasey said:Anecdote alert.
My brother in law’s wife is refusing the vaccine. She’s pregnant.
My mother in law didn’t know that masks protect others not you.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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It is MMR all over again.rick_chasey said:Anecdote alert.
My brother in law’s wife is refusing the vaccine. She’s pregnant.
My mother in law didn’t know that masks protect others not you.
The science says the best thing you can do to your unborn baby is to pass on your immune response to this virus.
Bet she "knows what's best for her child" eh?0 -
She’s an appalling human being which luckily is a good match for her husband and it is only because I love my wife that I don’t let them know.0
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UK youngsters innit.rick_chasey said:
Over 50s have lost interest now their own peer group are all vaccinated - they are only interested in reopening as soon as possible as to reduce the inconvenience.briantrumpet said:I'm a bit confused. Six EU states have overtaken the UK for percentage of adults double-jabbed, and neither are the EU-philes trumpeting it as they might be expected to, nor are those who expect the EU-philes to praise every success of the UK.
The easy solution is to stop everybody who isn't jabbed from traveling or entering nightclubs.
Even Macron worked that out."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Love this idea every under 25 goes to nightclubs.
Most of my friends were happy to look for excuses not to go back in the day.0 -
Don't be holding back there RC, tell it like it is.rick_chasey said:She’s an appalling human being which luckily is a good match for her husband and it is only because I love my wife that I don’t let them know.
My nephew and partner are in that 25yo bracket. Neither vacced yet, he's being a bit anti on the 'why should I, if I do catch it I'll only feel a bit rough for a couple of days' line. She's just not bothered yet, prob got his views echoing. But she is starting up a venture on the wedding prep facepainting market, silly numbers of course as it has the wedding prefix, very lucrative, currently subcontracting to build the reputation. I would have assumed that being able to show vacced status would be positive thing. But hey, what do I know, kidz be kidz.
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I only went to them because it was when pubs had to shut at 11pm and they were the only after hours option, couldn't stand the places really. Once pubs and bars had their hours extended I was happy to never set foot in a nightclub again.rick_chasey said:Love this idea every under 25 goes to nightclubs.
Most of my friends were happy to look for excuses not to go back in the day.1 -
Anti vaxer dies of illness he would have otherwise been vaccinated against.
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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That's what "they" want you to think. He was probably killed by the police state for trying to expose the The Truth.rick_chasey said:
Anti vaxer dies of illness he would have otherwise been vaccinated against.0 -
It's only in the last week that the College of Midwives have recommended that pregnant women get jab to be fair.rick_chasey said:She’s an appalling human being which luckily is a good match for her husband and it is only because I love my wife that I don’t let them know.
On a note, my wife has been advised not to have the second jab. All her health problems started a week after the first jab (AZ) and the docs don't know whether or not the vaccine was a factor, so she's still not had the second. One of the consultants has suggested she see if she can have the Pfizer jab second time round, but they're not offering that combo yet.0 -
elbowloh said:
It's only in the last week that the College of Midwives have recommended that pregnant women get jab to be fair.rick_chasey said:She’s an appalling human being which luckily is a good match for her husband and it is only because I love my wife that I don’t let them know.
On a note, my wife has been advised not to have the second jab. All her health problems started a week after the first jab (AZ) and the docs don't know whether or not the vaccine was a factor, so she's still not had the second. One of the consultants has suggested she see if she can have the Pfizer jab second time round, but they're not offering that combo yet.
That’s interesting, because a friend of mine had a nasty reaction from the AZ vaccine and for his second jab he had Pfizer (which was administered at hospital just in case).0 -
On returning to work and attitudes towards wfh, I think we’ll see a similar pattern to the one we saw when women entered the workforce en masse during WW1 & 2. Women did a lot and showed they were as capable workers - the men returned from shooting and being shot at and so the women lost their jobs again.
We’ll return to 80-90% of before but the cat is out of the bag and we will gradually move towards more flexible working patterns, rather than assuming that any day spent wfh is a semi day off.0 -
I think it is partly a generational thing.rick_chasey said:On returning to work and attitudes towards wfh, I think we’ll see a similar pattern to the one we saw when women entered the workforce en masse during WW1 & 2. Women did a lot and showed they were as capable workers - the men returned from shooting and being shot at and so the women lost their jobs again.
We’ll return to 80-90% of before but the cat is out of the bag and we will gradually move towards more flexible working patterns, rather than assuming that any day spent wfh is a semi day off.
Managers who have only ever known one way and see nothing wrong with it will be in no hurry to change.
Others are very open to change.
My employer is recognising a need to get people to bond together as a team does benefit from face to face time but is very open about what that needs to look like.
In short, as most people have worked out, solely being in an office or solely working from home are both sub-optimal.0 -
Going to be a boom in employee "checking your actually working software" That will have everyone running back to work...0
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My recent interviewing has shown that employers in my sector are going to have to accept flexible working if they want to fill vacancies. Of course, that might all change in the next recession when it becomes a buyer's market of course. A lot of jobs advertised now where home working / flexible working is top of the list of what they are offeringmorstar said:
I think it is partly a generational thing.rick_chasey said:On returning to work and attitudes towards wfh, I think we’ll see a similar pattern to the one we saw when women entered the workforce en masse during WW1 & 2. Women did a lot and showed they were as capable workers - the men returned from shooting and being shot at and so the women lost their jobs again.
We’ll return to 80-90% of before but the cat is out of the bag and we will gradually move towards more flexible working patterns, rather than assuming that any day spent wfh is a semi day off.
Managers who have only ever known one way and see nothing wrong with it will be in no hurry to change.
Others are very open to change.
My employer is recognising a need to get people to bond together as a team does benefit from face to face time but is very open about what that needs to look like.
In short, as most people have worked out, solely being in an office or solely working from home are both sub-optimal.0 -
It throws the market open to far more candidates for sure.Pross said:
My recent interviewing has shown that employers in my sector are going to have to accept flexible working if they want to fill vacancies. Of course, that might all change in the next recession when it becomes a buyer's market of course. A lot of jobs advertised now where home working / flexible working is top of the list of what they are offeringmorstar said:
I think it is partly a generational thing.rick_chasey said:On returning to work and attitudes towards wfh, I think we’ll see a similar pattern to the one we saw when women entered the workforce en masse during WW1 & 2. Women did a lot and showed they were as capable workers - the men returned from shooting and being shot at and so the women lost their jobs again.
We’ll return to 80-90% of before but the cat is out of the bag and we will gradually move towards more flexible working patterns, rather than assuming that any day spent wfh is a semi day off.
Managers who have only ever known one way and see nothing wrong with it will be in no hurry to change.
Others are very open to change.
My employer is recognising a need to get people to bond together as a team does benefit from face to face time but is very open about what that needs to look like.
In short, as most people have worked out, solely being in an office or solely working from home are both sub-optimal.
I am employed by an organisation in the south east. Certainly couldn’t / wouldn’t pay to live there.0 -
That's the way we went with our latest hire. I was talking to a guy I work with regularly just after the original lockdown ended. He has been with a Council for years and was saying they wouldn't be returning to the office for the foreseeable future and he made that exact point that he could now work for another Council. Hopefully he stays put as he is by far the most helpful and pragmatic Council employee I work with.morstar said:
It throws the market open to far more candidates for sure.Pross said:
My recent interviewing has shown that employers in my sector are going to have to accept flexible working if they want to fill vacancies. Of course, that might all change in the next recession when it becomes a buyer's market of course. A lot of jobs advertised now where home working / flexible working is top of the list of what they are offeringmorstar said:
I think it is partly a generational thing.rick_chasey said:On returning to work and attitudes towards wfh, I think we’ll see a similar pattern to the one we saw when women entered the workforce en masse during WW1 & 2. Women did a lot and showed they were as capable workers - the men returned from shooting and being shot at and so the women lost their jobs again.
We’ll return to 80-90% of before but the cat is out of the bag and we will gradually move towards more flexible working patterns, rather than assuming that any day spent wfh is a semi day off.
Managers who have only ever known one way and see nothing wrong with it will be in no hurry to change.
Others are very open to change.
My employer is recognising a need to get people to bond together as a team does benefit from face to face time but is very open about what that needs to look like.
In short, as most people have worked out, solely being in an office or solely working from home are both sub-optimal.
I am employed by an organisation in the south east. Certainly couldn’t / wouldn’t pay to live there.0
