Coronavirus and pro sport
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I think that you have just beaten your own argument. 😉RichN95. said:
Three months is a long time. 20 days ago this was just a Chinese thing. Let's see where we are at the end of Aprilredvision said:
Can't see the tour happening, or any sporting event this summer. Olympics apparently postponed.gweeds said:So talk today at the TDF is that the race would go ahead with no caravan or spectators.
I’m a bit WTF at that.
I think the entire cycling season is gone
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
My point is nobody can tell where we will be in three months time, so it's it worth spending another month to reassess.pblakeney said:
I think that you have just beaten your own argument. 😉RichN95. said:
Three months is a long time. 20 days ago this was just a Chinese thing. Let's see where we are at the end of Aprilredvision said:
Can't see the tour happening, or any sporting event this summer. Olympics apparently postponed.gweeds said:So talk today at the TDF is that the race would go ahead with no caravan or spectators.
I’m a bit WTF at that.
I think the entire cycling season is gone
The Tour isn't like the Olympics with several years in the planning, a showpiece event of a lifetime for the hosts. It's possible to run the Tour with a bare bones infrastructure, like most races on the calendar.
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I also think that most people acknowledge that things are going to get worse before they get better.RichN95. said:
My point is nobody can tell where we will be in three months time, so it's it worth spending another month to reassess.pblakeney said:
I think that you have just beaten your own argument. 😉RichN95. said:
Three months is a long time. 20 days ago this was just a Chinese thing. Let's see where we are at the end of Aprilredvision said:
Can't see the tour happening, or any sporting event this summer. Olympics apparently postponed.gweeds said:So talk today at the TDF is that the race would go ahead with no caravan or spectators.
I’m a bit WTF at that.
I think the entire cycling season is gone
The Tour isn't like the Olympics with several years in the planning, a showpiece event of a lifetime for the hosts. It's possible to run the Tour with a bare bones infrastructure, like most races on the calendar.
Re assess for sure, but in the bigger scheme of things a bike race is way down the priority list. And most bike races have been cancelled. You are doing a good job of defeating your own points. 😉The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I'd hazard a guess that nobody will be riding in a bike race around FranceRichN95. said:
My point is nobody can tell where we will be in three months time, so it's it worth spending another month to reassess.pblakeney said:
I think that you have just beaten your own argument. 😉RichN95. said:
Three months is a long time. 20 days ago this was just a Chinese thing. Let's see where we are at the end of Aprilredvision said:
Can't see the tour happening, or any sporting event this summer. Olympics apparently postponed.gweeds said:So talk today at the TDF is that the race would go ahead with no caravan or spectators.
I’m a bit WTF at that.
I think the entire cycling season is gone
The Tour isn't like the Olympics with several years in the planning, a showpiece event of a lifetime for the hosts. It's possible to run the Tour with a bare bones infrastructure, like most races on the calendar.
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Mine too.RichN95. said:
My point is nobody can tell where we will be in three months time, so it's it worth spending another month to reassess.pblakeney said:
I think that you have just beaten your own argument. 😉RichN95. said:
Three months is a long time. 20 days ago this was just a Chinese thing. Let's see where we are at the end of Aprilredvision said:
Can't see the tour happening, or any sporting event this summer. Olympics apparently postponed.gweeds said:So talk today at the TDF is that the race would go ahead with no caravan or spectators.
I’m a bit WTF at that.
I think the entire cycling season is gone
The Tour isn't like the Olympics with several years in the planning, a showpiece event of a lifetime for the hosts. It's possible to run the Tour with a bare bones infrastructure, like most races on the calendar.
If the IOC say they will make the decision in a month, what's the problem and why the rush? We all know what the outcome will be.
Cancelling the Olympics should be their decision, not the media.
I do disagree with those who say it's simply a matter of postponing them a year or two though. Far from it, I would have thought, given how Olympic sites are bought and (hopefully) paid for and given the world will experience a huge economic downturn as a result of this virus.
Edit:
Having knocked the media for forcing the issue, the BBC today have a headline piece on some of the the problems faced with cancellation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/52007137
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
I do think some sport will return before the end of corona virus - before a vaccine is readily available - it's just a question of which sports and when. I'm not sure a 3 week bike race is a likely candidate for early (for me right now early would be maybe August) resumption though I mean what if Froome is 5 minutes ahead and a domestique comes down with symptoms in the last week - does the team pull out? An event you can get over in a day seems more likely.
Bike racing might actually be a suitable candidate though - I mean with football you'll have whole teams having to self isolate whereas cyclists can train apart and if one of them comes down with Covid19 in the week of the race someone else steps up as team leader. I suspect football will resume first though just because money talks.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
DeVlaeminck said:
I mean what if Froome is 5 minutes ahead and a domestique comes down with symptoms in the last week - does the team pull out? An event you can get over in a day seems more likely.
...and of course, Froome is in a high risk category with his asthma - along with a lot of other pros.0 -
I think I read somewhere that a decision will be made by the start of May.
I still can't see how it can go ahead.
It's not just as simple as just riding across France. First of all there's the integrity of the competition - is it morally right to be putting on such an event when the world is in crisis?
(This goes for all sporting events).
Then how can you create fairness amongst riders? Some are in counties where there is no lockdown, whereas others aren't and have had their training suspended.
Next up is all the support needed to run the race, including medical personnel. And this is a crucial factor, it would mean diverting drs and equipment away from where it is most needed at the moment. Not to mention if there is a bad crash and a rider(s) requires urgent hospital treatment.
I appreciate there will be people who end up in hospital from accidents and other illnesses, but an element of the lockdown measures are to reduce the chances of this, to free up hospital beds and drs.
Just my two pennies worth, but unless a vaccine is found by May (which isn't going to happen) I just cannot see how the TDF can go ahead this summer.0 -
Good point! never mind jiffy bags, theyre going to need a ready supply of paper bags to breathe into.joe2019 said:DeVlaeminck said:I mean what if Froome is 5 minutes ahead and a domestique comes down with symptoms in the last week - does the team pull out? An event you can get over in a day seems more likely.
...and of course, Froome is in a high risk category with his asthma - along with a lot of other pros.0 -
Worth reminding that you get peaks and troughs, and that just because one peak is done doesn't mean others won't occur...
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Rapha to paint the bottle pink and charge £10 for it...
(I know they don't sponsor them any more, ya ya ya...)We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Of all the problems I can't see how this is a big one. It's going to be the year of the COVID-19 Olympics/Tour/Kickball Cup and every victory will have an asterix by it. I actually think that might make for a rather fun summer for spectators.redvision said:
Then how can you create fairness amongst riders? Some are in counties where there is no lockdown, whereas others aren't and have had their training suspended.
Everything else you say is true though and I think play a much bigger part in will they/wont they
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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The games can be ready and waiting and the virus gone.blazing_saddles said:
Too right, it's not as if it's happening tomorrow.RichN95. said:
Three months is a long time. 20 days ago this was just a Chinese thing. Let's see where we are at the end of Aprilredvision said:
Can't see the tour happening, or any sporting event this summer. Olympics apparently postponed.gweeds said:So talk today at the TDF is that the race would go ahead with no caravan or spectators.
I’m a bit WTF at that.
I think the entire cycling season is gone
Yet with still almost 5 months to the Olympics and the hosts already pretty much on top of this thing, the pressure groups seem to have already got their way.
The issue is the amount of qualifying competitions that aren't going to happen between now and then.
The games aren't happening in any meaningful form. It's currently a game of chicken between Tokyo LOC and IOC over who calls the postponement and therefore triggers the contractual nightmare that ensues.0 -
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But that's going to happen anyway unless we keep everyone in lockdown for 12-18 months until there's a vaccine. A scenario where a Tour takes place is one where daily French deaths are in low single figures. People aren't going to stay locked up when the level has dropped back down to that.rick_chasey said:Alrite you lot ignore the graph if you want.
During the Tour, if you take away crowds, and strip down to a bare bones infrastructure, the race is essentially a mobile self-isolation unit. There will be very little contact with anyone from outside the 'bubble'. It probably would be less risk than my local supermarket (but obviously not as essential)
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As soon as someone on the tour has it - and it's still a good 500-1000 people riding around, then surely it has to stop.0
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and as I've said a lot of riders have asthma so they are in a high risk category - it can't happen.rick_chasey said:As soon as someone on the tour has it - and it's still a good 500-1000 people riding around, then surely it has to stop.
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Your key phrase there is "during the tour".
People will come from all parts of the world, not isolate for 14 days, then move around France staying in various hotels. Once there's a positive test, is the next town going to want them rolling in?
It's not happening in 13 weeks time.
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That's what I've been saying and hence the delay in the postponement.yorkshireraw said:
The games can be ready and waiting and the virus gone.blazing_saddles said:
Too right, it's not as if it's happening tomorrow.RichN95. said:
Three months is a long time. 20 days ago this was just a Chinese thing. Let's see where we are at the end of Aprilredvision said:
Can't see the tour happening, or any sporting event this summer. Olympics apparently postponed.gweeds said:So talk today at the TDF is that the race would go ahead with no caravan or spectators.
I’m a bit WTF at that.
I think the entire cycling season is gone
Yet with still almost 5 months to the Olympics and the hosts already pretty much on top of this thing, the pressure groups seem to have already got their way.
The issue is the amount of qualifying competitions that aren't going to happen between now and then.
The games aren't happening in any meaningful form. It's currently a game of chicken between Tokyo LOC and IOC over who calls the postponement and therefore triggers the contractual nightmare that ensues.
Also one of the two sites is prime harbour front development, which potentially is another contractual nightmare that probably involves the banks.
It's one ginormous headache."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Again this will be in a time of few new cases. There would need to be testing of all personnel several days before the race, with the teams spending a week in a hotel prior to the race. Anyone travelling from remaining hotspots (probably the USA by then) will be excluded.rick_chasey said:As soon as someone on the tour has it - and it's still a good 500-1000 people riding around, then surely it has to stop.
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If you think the lockdown will have helped get the numbers down that quickly that the race can go ahead in 13 weeks time, why would you immediately move to having a travelling band of 1000 going from place to place around the country?0
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RichN95. said:
Again this will be in a time of few new cases. There would need to be testing of all personnel several days before the race, with the teams spending a week in a hotel prior to the race. Anyone travelling from remaining hotspots (probably the USA by then) will be excluded.rick_chasey said:As soon as someone on the tour has it - and it's still a good 500-1000 people riding around, then surely it has to stop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkeefRLPx4w
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kingstongraham said:
If you think the lockdown will have helped get the numbers down that quickly that the race can go ahead in 13 weeks time, why would you immediately move to having a travelling band of 1000 going from place to place around the country?
Compared to the rest of France it would be little problem. There'd be very little contact between those 1000 and anyone else.
Are you going to shut down public transport? Because a single Paris metro station at rush hour on a single day is a bigger problem.Twitter: @RichN950 -
i work in sport for a living... this dream of isolation and little contact you talk of just isnt possible, even less so on an event like Le Tour that travels from point to point.RichN95. said:kingstongraham said:If you think the lockdown will have helped get the numbers down that quickly that the race can go ahead in 13 weeks time, why would you immediately move to having a travelling band of 1000 going from place to place around the country?
Compared to the rest of France it would be little problem. There'd be very little contact between those 1000 and anyone else.
Are you going to shut down public transport? Because a single Paris metro station at rush hour on a single day is a bigger problem.
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Good point. If you cannot shut absolutely everything, you might as well have a bunch of undertrained people travelling around the country getting gradually more immuno suppressed because we want to see live sport.RichN95. said:kingstongraham said:If you think the lockdown will have helped get the numbers down that quickly that the race can go ahead in 13 weeks time, why would you immediately move to having a travelling band of 1000 going from place to place around the country?
Compared to the rest of France it would be little problem. There'd be very little contact between those 1000 and anyone else.
Are you going to shut down public transport? Because a single Paris metro station at rush hour on a single day is a bigger problem.
Not happening in July. May as well accept it.0 -
I am not suggesting we will see the Tour in July but I doubt TdF rider type asthma puts you in a high risk category.joe2019 said:
and as I've said a lot of riders have asthma so they are in a high risk category - it can't happen.rick_chasey said:As soon as someone on the tour has it - and it's still a good 500-1000 people riding around, then surely it has to stop.
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DeVlaeminck said:
I am not suggesting we will see the Tour in July but I doubt TdF rider type asthma puts you in a high risk category.joe2019 said:
and as I've said a lot of riders have asthma so they are in a high risk category - it can't happen.rick_chasey said:As soon as someone on the tour has it - and it's still a good 500-1000 people riding around, then surely it has to stop.
I was being facetious, however, I wouldn't want any kind of breathing issue and COVID-19.0
