Should Mark Cavendish swallow his pride and retire?

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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,641
    Pross said:

    It's probably been discussed before but would he make a good DS? His attention to detail when recalling the run in to a chaotic sprint was always remarkable and he would be a good addition to any team with a promising young sprinter I feel.

    Probably one for the unpopular opinions thread, but I always think it is less tactics and more man management that is required for a DS.
  • DeVlaeminck
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    His choice of course but I wouldn't be encouraging him to carry on. Instead of looking back look forwards to the next chapter.

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  • andyrac
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    If a team thinks he can offer them something, and he thinks he can deliver it, then why not?
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,801
    edited October 2020
    andyrac said:

    If a team thinks he can offer them something, and he thinks he can deliver it, then why not?

    Trouble being that his current team doesn't, and the offers aren't flooding in.
    Also a while since he delivered.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,157
    The question is what would his role be in a team? There's little sign that he's a sprinter anymore. He's unlikely to rebrand as a big work horse like Bennati or Rojas. He brings bundles of experience, but so do lots of people already within the teams. Could he be part of a lead out train?
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,641
    If he is not going to sprint, then it is a bit like a fast bowler declaring that he's always wanted to send down a few overs of spin.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,391
    TheBigBean said:

    Pross said:

    It's probably been discussed before but would he make a good DS? His attention to detail when recalling the run in to a chaotic sprint was always remarkable and he would be a good addition to any team with a promising young sprinter I feel.

    Probably one for the unpopular opinions thread, but I always think it is less tactics and more man management that is required for a DS.
    Agree with both of you...

    I can see how he could learn the man-management quite quickly though.

    That said, I've never heard him express much interest in it. Perhaps he could be what Erik Zabel was for him in terms of a sort of sprint stage recon savant
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,641
    ddraver said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Pross said:

    It's probably been discussed before but would he make a good DS? His attention to detail when recalling the run in to a chaotic sprint was always remarkable and he would be a good addition to any team with a promising young sprinter I feel.

    Probably one for the unpopular opinions thread, but I always think it is less tactics and more man management that is required for a DS.
    Agree with both of you...

    I can see how he could learn the man-management quite quickly though.

    That said, I've never heard him express much interest in it. Perhaps he could be what Erik Zabel was for him in terms of a sort of sprint stage recon savant
    He has already been in the commentary box, so I could imagine him doing more of that.

  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,585
    TheBigBean said:

    ddraver said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Pross said:

    It's probably been discussed before but would he make a good DS? His attention to detail when recalling the run in to a chaotic sprint was always remarkable and he would be a good addition to any team with a promising young sprinter I feel.

    Probably one for the unpopular opinions thread, but I always think it is less tactics and more man management that is required for a DS.
    Agree with both of you...

    I can see how he could learn the man-management quite quickly though.

    That said, I've never heard him express much interest in it. Perhaps he could be what Erik Zabel was for him in terms of a sort of sprint stage recon savant
    He has already been in the commentary box, so I could imagine him doing more of that.

    Would love him to be alongside Kirby and see how long he lasts before launching a four letter outburst on live TV.
  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,091
    ddraver said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Pross said:

    It's probably been discussed before but would he make a good DS? His attention to detail when recalling the run in to a chaotic sprint was always remarkable and he would be a good addition to any team with a promising young sprinter I feel.

    Probably one for the unpopular opinions thread, but I always think it is less tactics and more man management that is required for a DS.
    Agree with both of you...

    I can see how he could learn the man-management quite quickly though.

    That said, I've never heard him express much interest in it. Perhaps he could be what Erik Zabel was for him in terms of a sort of sprint stage recon savant
    Hasn't David Millar written about Cavendish DSing for the Isle of Man and having a great time doing so?
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,801
    Lanterne_Rogue said:

    ddraver said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Pross said:

    It's probably been discussed before but would he make a good DS? His attention to detail when recalling the run in to a chaotic sprint was always remarkable and he would be a good addition to any team with a promising young sprinter I feel.

    Probably one for the unpopular opinions thread, but I always think it is less tactics and more man management that is required for a DS.
    Agree with both of you...

    I can see how he could learn the man-management quite quickly though.

    That said, I've never heard him express much interest in it. Perhaps he could be what Erik Zabel was for him in terms of a sort of sprint stage recon savant
    Hasn't David Millar written about Cavendish DSing for the Isle of Man and having a great time doing so?
    It was mentioned on the Wiggins podcast. I got the impression that Kennaugh wasn't too impressed at the time. (Glasgow 2014).
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  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    elbowloh said:

    I think he's probably earned the right to do whatever the fudge he wants.

    How very magnanimous of you. He has obviously pleased you with his cycling and now you're showing your appreciation by granting him the right to do as he pleases. It's good to see that even the powerful world leaders like yourself can have some humility and compassion.
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    WTF
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,585
    salsiccia1 said:

    WTF

    Welcome to Planet Dennis were nothing is worthy of discussion.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Pross said:

    salsiccia1 said:

    WTF

    Welcome to Planet Dennis were nothing is worthy of discussion.
    Every once in a while something just rubs me wrong. For instance, elbowloh's idea that someone has to EARN the right to live his own life. Or the idea that elbowloh has any say in it or approves or disapproves.
  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,052
    Pross said:

    It's probably been discussed before but would he make a good DS? His attention to detail when recalling the run in to a chaotic sprint was always remarkable and he would be a good addition to any team with a promising young sprinter I feel.

    Absolutely spot on so i wonder why that's not a route he's considered or being directed towards, pride perhaps or other characteristics that might make him hard to work with?
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,737
    edited October 2020
    itboffin said:

    Pross said:

    It's probably been discussed before but would he make a good DS? His attention to detail when recalling the run in to a chaotic sprint was always remarkable and he would be a good addition to any team with a promising young sprinter I feel.

    Absolutely spot on so i wonder why that's not a route he's considered or being directed towards, pride perhaps or other characteristics that might make him hard to work with?
    Isn’t it more he still just loves to race and he’s upset that his body won’t let him?

    He’d race till his 60s if he could.

    I suspect with time he’ll get over it and then who knows.

    Must be tough for these guys - it’s all they’ve ever done.
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,196
    edited October 2020
    rick_chasey said:

    itboffin said:

    Pross said:

    It's probably been discussed before but would he make a good DS? His attention to detail when recalling the run in to a chaotic sprint was always remarkable and he would be a good addition to any team with a promising young sprinter I feel.

    Absolutely spot on so i wonder why that's not a route he's considered or being directed towards, pride perhaps or other characteristics that might make him hard to work with?
    Isn’t it more he still just loves to race and he’s upset that his body won’t let him?

    He’d race till his 60s if he could.

    I suspect with time he’ll get over it and then who knows.

    Must be tough for these guys - it’s all they’ve ever done.
    It's not all he's ever done - he could go back to ballroom :smile:



    I guess they wouldn't let him on Strictly...
  • r0bh
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    pblakeney said:

    Lanterne_Rogue said:


    Hasn't David Millar written about Cavendish DSing for the Isle of Man and having a great time doing so?

    It was mentioned on the Wiggins podcast. I got the impression that Kennaugh wasn't too impressed at the time. (Glasgow 2014).
    But wasn't that because Cavendish was furious about Kennaugh persisting with a doomed solo breakaway and throwing away any chance he had in the race?
  • pblakeney
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    r0bh said:

    pblakeney said:

    Lanterne_Rogue said:


    Hasn't David Millar written about Cavendish DSing for the Isle of Man and having a great time doing so?

    It was mentioned on the Wiggins podcast. I got the impression that Kennaugh wasn't too impressed at the time. (Glasgow 2014).
    But wasn't that because Cavendish was furious about Kennaugh persisting with a doomed solo breakaway and throwing away any chance he had in the race?
    It was presented that Cav sent him out on a doomed early breakaway.
    I'm only supplying second hand (third, fourth?) information, not fact.
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  • Lanterne_Rogue
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    With regards to Strictly, Cavendish going on as the ringiest of absolute ringers wouldn't be a problem at all, I suspect, given that obvious ringers are pretty much a Strictly staple...
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  • Matti66
    Matti66 Posts: 190
    edited October 2020
    If it possible and all parties are willing , perhaps strike a no wages deal similar to what Phil Gilbert’s had with Quick step. If Rod Ellingworth or any one thinks it a good deal for them.
  • carbonclem
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    Matti66 said:

    If it possible and all parties are willing , perhaps strike a no wages deal similar to what Phil Gilbert’s had with Quick step. If Rod Ellingworth or any one thinks it a good deal for them.

    I think he's already had a season or two on that basis?
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  • Matti66
    Matti66 Posts: 190
    Oh okay . Thanks.
  • elbowloh
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    dennisn said:

    Pross said:

    salsiccia1 said:

    WTF

    Welcome to Planet Dennis were nothing is worthy of discussion.
    Every once in a while something just rubs me wrong. For instance, elbowloh's idea that someone has to EARN the right to live his own life. Or the idea that elbowloh has any say in it or approves or disapproves.
    My reply was more about the fact this thread exists, with people expressing their opinions on whether he should retire or not. My point was entirely that, that it's his fecking choice, which you seemed to have completely misunderstood.

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  • sherer
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    Matti66 said:

    If it possible and all parties are willing , perhaps strike a no wages deal similar to what Phil Gilbert’s had with Quick step. If Rod Ellingworth or any one thinks it a good deal for them.

    can you actually do a no wages deal ? going back a few years here but I remember the LA comeback where he said he wasnt going to get paid. It then came out there was a UCI minimum wage every ride had to be on
  • Matti66
    Matti66 Posts: 190
    I don’t know TBH and it was just an off the cuff remark. But the Minimum wage plus win bonuses, it might be worth it . He will always attract attention and could do something nice in a race .
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 13,328
    I think Cav should retire from the pro peloton and make a new career in hill climb challenge matches against all the cat 3 riders that said he couldn't get over a speed bump. I for one would pay to see the legs he ripped off scattered over the British countryside.
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  • bobmcstuff
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    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    I think Cav should retire from the pro peloton and make a new career in hill climb challenge matches against all the cat 3 riders that said he couldn't get over a speed bump. I for one would pay to see the legs he ripped off scattered over the British countryside.

    I'd pay to do a hill climb match against Cavendish :smile:
  • DeVlaeminck
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    I'd actually quite like him to target the British Hill Climb Champs - could he win it if he took it seriously? I'm guessing not and I'm guessing he really couldn't be bothered trying anyway but it'd be an interesting challenge.
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