Should Mark Cavendish swallow his pride and retire?
Jammiedodgeruk
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I used to be a big fan of Cavs back in the day, but I've got to say he's become a bit of a sad joke these past few years that, for me at least, seems to be undermining everything he's achieved in the sport.
That head down, explosive sprinting power he had has gone and has been for 3 years it seems. Even today watching the Tour of Poland, it seems to be a regular pattern of his to now make it 'look' like he's still in the mix but simply isn't. He's way off, often head butting other riders going past, picking the wrong wheel and basically giving up way early in a sprint where 5 years ago he would have been at the front and popped out for a win with devastating power.
I find it all a bit sad to watch now because in interviews it's like his head hasn't caught up with the realisation that his body just can't do it anymore. He keeps coming out with the same old rhetoric 'I've won 30 stages at the Tour' as if the last stage he won was recent, when in actual fact it was over 3 years ago now. He sounds a bit like the Liverpool supporters of the 90's who lived off their past glories from the 70's, still not quite accepting its over.
With the likes of Griepel admitting his peak was done and moving down a level in terms of team and now Vivianna choosing a lesser team, isn't it about time Cav, who's been around just as long if not longer, does the same? I fear the guy is doing his reputation more harm than good now, which I find a real shame as he should be remembered as a legend rather than someone who held on too long and just makes excuses all the time.
That head down, explosive sprinting power he had has gone and has been for 3 years it seems. Even today watching the Tour of Poland, it seems to be a regular pattern of his to now make it 'look' like he's still in the mix but simply isn't. He's way off, often head butting other riders going past, picking the wrong wheel and basically giving up way early in a sprint where 5 years ago he would have been at the front and popped out for a win with devastating power.
I find it all a bit sad to watch now because in interviews it's like his head hasn't caught up with the realisation that his body just can't do it anymore. He keeps coming out with the same old rhetoric 'I've won 30 stages at the Tour' as if the last stage he won was recent, when in actual fact it was over 3 years ago now. He sounds a bit like the Liverpool supporters of the 90's who lived off their past glories from the 70's, still not quite accepting its over.
With the likes of Griepel admitting his peak was done and moving down a level in terms of team and now Vivianna choosing a lesser team, isn't it about time Cav, who's been around just as long if not longer, does the same? I fear the guy is doing his reputation more harm than good now, which I find a real shame as he should be remembered as a legend rather than someone who held on too long and just makes excuses all the time.
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Not sure if he is the rider the team will be putting 100% effort behind, but I can't see the point of him being there unless he thinks he can win.
Personally I will be surprised if he does.
Agreed. I think that's harsh, I mean there's riders who have had bigger drop offs in performance without so much as an illness to blame for it.
I would like to see him get back to some sort of competitive level, but would understand if he wanted to call it a day.
At the end of the day we will all peak sooner or later, whatever we do, if people will still pay us good money then I don't blame anyone for taking it.
Cav is only 34. It's not impossible he can come back to something near his best and start winning again.
He wants to earn a living from this sport and as long as there is somebody willing to pay him then he should still race.
Last time out, folks were calling it a day for him, because he abandoned Ionica on stage 2.
Forget the fact that the stage had to be stopped several times because of the weather (riders taking shelter under trees and in team cars) and that the bus got home over one hour behind the leaders, having taken over seven hours to complete the course.
18 riders climbed off that day, but for Cav it's taken as definitive proof of his demise.
He was right at the pointy end yesterday, just behind the podium scrap.
You have to accept that they saw enough in training to believe he was worth a ride at the Tour - ok there's been no evidence of that in races yet but still early days.
If the tests they use to determine whether the virus is still active continue to show good news but we are sitting here in 12 months and he hasn't won well I doubt even Cav would be looking to go another year but why not give it every chance.
It's those small percentages which make a difference in elite sport - maybe you can have a good month and think I'm back but the body can no longer string together 2-3 good months that you need to really hit your best.
Not as much of a joke as your post.
As long as he wants to carry on riding and someone is willing to give him a contract, good luck to him.
And your point about Viviani implying he was past it which is why he is moving down a grade by going to Cofidis - he is 30, and in THIS YEAR's Tour, he had four stages in the top 3 including a stage win. Stage wins in the 2018 Giro, 2018 Vuelta and 2019 TdF. Think he's doing OK actually, and more a statement by Cofidis that they want to go up a level.
Of which you are one. :-)
Its not about wether I dont like it when he doesn't win, although yes, I don't like it because I do want to see him win. It's more about has his time come and should he retire given he's obviously not the Cav of old. Of course I want to see him win, which part of my post did you dream up in your mind where I want to see him lose? Strange.
At no point did I say Vivianni was past it either, I said that maybe he's recognising hes hitting that point in his career where managing his expectations is a reality now, therefore hes going to a slightly lesser team. The fact being though that Vivianni is nearly 5 years younger than Cav so if he's accepting a new direction shouldn't Cav be? The difference also is that Cav (as I pointed out in my OP) still talks like hes the Cav of old, like he's still doing it and winning races but quite clearly, he isn't.
You could argue, that Dimension Data not taking him to the Tour was their was of nudging him a bit to open his eyes up without shouting in his face 'Cav, you're past it son'.
Viviani has won 8 Grand Tour stages since the start of last year, and been in the top three on 9 other stages. I don't think he's accepting a new direction towards pipe and slippers. I guess he's only won 8 races so far this year as against 18 last year but it's still not bad.
I can't think of many sprinters able to still be winning in their mid-30's. I think Petacchi kept going but his wins did very much drop off.
Epstein Barr Virus is Glandular Fever. I wish people would refer to it as such. I guess it's just "on trend" to call it EBV as it sounds so much worse than Glandular Fever. I bet most of us here have either had that as kids/teens or know someone who has back in the day. Yes, it's nasty but given time most people make a full recovery and live as if it never happened. I believe that as you get older it takes more time to recover from, as do most things.
Woooosh
Most people do recover. But trying to do so as an elite athlete is a different matter entirely. I had it at 15 and it took me out for the whole year and I had to drop back a year at school. Took a good 4-5 years to feel 100%.
Your point is what?
No idea what you mean by that I'm afraid.
That was me quoting the wrong post :oops: