May has gone - ding dong the utter, utter, total failure of a prime minister is gone

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  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    So all the talk about Raab and his NDA, anyone else think this is a trojan horse to smoke out boris and his plethora of NDA's?
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,434
    edited June 2019
    Johnson tops the poll -114

    McVey, Harper, Leadsom out

    Michael Gove: 37

    Matt Hancock: 20

    Mark Harper: 10

    Jeremy Hunt: 43

    Sajid Javid: 23

    Boris Johnson: 114

    Andrea Leadsom: 11

    Esther McVey: 9

    Dominic Raab: 27

    Rory Stewart: 19
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  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    leadsome mcvey and harpers votes to go to whom?
    Raab?
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,907
    Hard to see how BoJo won't become PM.
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Hard to see how BoJo won't become PM.
    A scandal of some sort will appear. HOOOGE pile of NDA's and other stuff just waiting to burst upon him.
  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    Next PM will be a man.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,538
    There are reports that Johnson's team were asking supporters to photograph their voting card to prove that they really were voting for him. In a supposedly secret ballot. Classy.

    From the sounds of it, a lot are voting for him out of a kind of despairing hope that he will magically make their Brexit migraine go away.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    It's so depressing when you are starting to hope for Gove or Hunt as your next PM. On the plus side I suppose at least whoever wins won't have a long tenure.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,318
    Pross wrote:
    It's so depressing when you are starting to hope for Gove or Hunt as your next PM. On the plus side I suppose at least whoever wins won't have a long tenure.
    Looks at the possible incumbents....
    Oh dear......
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    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Hard to see how BoJo won't become PM.

    So long as his carers don't lose their grip he can't self harm.
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Funny how a while back it was considered Bojo couldn't actually win a leadership vote. But really it is like watching "decent" Republicans support Trump. When it comes down to it the pondlife reveals that you were right all along; they are just cheap opportunists who will do anything, no matter how harmful to the country, just to cling on to power.

    I do wonder whether it has come to the point that we should just let them have their catastrophe. I've long felt that in the long term a hard brexit would be the best form of brexit. Nothing like a catastrophic clusterfuck to help you realise what was important and who lied to you and who didn't. It's selfish though - I can weather the storm. Many won't be able to. Cameron will have those spoiled lives, ruined lives and deaths on his conscience. I'd like to think he doesn't sleep much.
    Faster than a tent.......
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    While the concept of a clean start after the inevitable purge following a second English civil war has a degree of attractiveness, not quite sure self inflicting a complete clusterfxck on ourselves is that smart an idea.

    Happy days eh.
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    orraloon wrote:
    While the concept of a clean start after the inevitable purge following a second English civil war has a degree of attractiveness, not quite sure self inflicting a complete clusterfxck on ourselves is that smart an idea.

    Happy days eh.

    Yeah, it's a horrible thought. But sometimes the only way to learn a lesson, if you really are that stupid, is to do it the hard way.
    Faster than a tent.......
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    Rolf F wrote:
    orraloon wrote:
    While the concept of a clean start after the inevitable purge following a second English civil war has a degree of attractiveness, not quite sure self inflicting a complete clusterfxck on ourselves is that smart an idea.

    Happy days eh.

    Yeah, it's a horrible thought. But sometimes the only way to learn a lesson, if you really are that stupid, is to do it the hard way.
    just to give Cameron a bad nights kip? a bit extreme.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,142
    It's surely indisputable that if he wasn't posh, there is no way he'd be anywhere near the leadership.
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    Rolf F wrote:
    orraloon wrote:
    While the concept of a clean start after the inevitable purge following a second English civil war has a degree of attractiveness, not quite sure self inflicting a complete clusterfxck on ourselves is that smart an idea.

    Happy days eh.

    Yeah, it's a horrible thought. But sometimes the only way to learn a lesson, if you really are that stupid, is to do it the hard way.
    just to give Cameron a bad nights kip? a bit extreme.

    No, he should never have a goodnights kip ever again based on what he's already achieved. He deserves a lost nights sleep for everyone who themselves has so far lost a nights sleep due to worry about the consequences of Brexit on their lives. On that basis he isn't going to need an alarm clock for thousands of years.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    UK has had an Etonian prime minister for 101 years out of 298 it has had prime minister.

    BoJo will be #20.
    _
  • laurentian
    laurentian Posts: 2,548
    It really makes one despair doesn't it?

    I remember BoJo just after the Brexit referendum and Cameron's resignation standing at the podium somewhere saying something along the lines of " . . . the country is looking for a new prime minister and I have to tell you that man is not me . . ." or words to that effect.

    So, following insults to hijab wearers, terrible things said about some minorities, dubious relations with Saudi Arabia, disastorus handling of the Zaghari-Ratcliffe case, resigning as Foreign Secretary, failure to declare earnings to parliament, claiming moneys sepent on historical child abuse is "money spaffed up the wall", and being summoned to court for misconduct in public office, he (and possibly more worringly, a good number of his fellow conservatives) somehow beleives he is now "that man". The parallells with Trump are beyond worrying and I for one would be embarrassed to have him as the prime minister of my country.
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  • sgt.pepper
    sgt.pepper Posts: 300
    Rolf F wrote:
    Funny how a while back it was considered Bojo couldn't actually win a leadership vote. But really it is like watching "decent" Republicans support Trump. When it comes down to it the pondlife reveals that you were right all along; they are just cheap opportunists who will do anything, no matter how harmful to the country, just to cling on to power.

    I do wonder whether it has come to the point that we should just let them have their catastrophe. I've long felt that in the long term a hard brexit would be the best form of brexit. Nothing like a catastrophic clusterfuck to help you realise what was important and who lied to you and who didn't. It's selfish though - I can weather the storm. Many won't be able to. Cameron will have those spoiled lives, ruined lives and deaths on his conscience. I'd like to think he doesn't sleep much.

    That attitude would make more sense if there was a reasonable and competent opposition, but there isn't.

    There's also nothing inherently wrong with wanting to leave the EU, it's how that process is then implemented. The problem is that it's been made an absolute hash off, from start to finish.
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    UK has had an Etonian prime minister for 101 years out of 298 it has had prime minister.

    BoJo will be #20.

    This is the real travesty. Social mobility in the UK is embarrassing.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,434
    Boris Johnson has not taken part in the Lobby Hustings.
    Going down like a bowl of sick with some journalists.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Boris Johnson has not taken part in the Lobby Hustings.
    Going down like a bowl of sick with some journalists.

    "giveashit" will be his reply, and rightly so, given who his electorate is.
    _
  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 17,340
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    UK has had an Etonian prime minister for 101 years out of 298 it has had prime minister.

    BoJo will be #20.
    johnson is an opportunist with a record of lies, incompetence and betrayal, and as a plus for those who wanted an end to the 'elite' running roughshod over them, he's claiming he'll reduce the tax burden on the better off, though that could be just another lie

    pretty much the brexiters' dream :D
    my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,434
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Boris Johnson has not taken part in the Lobby Hustings.
    Going down like a bowl of sick with some journalists.

    "giveashit" will be his reply, and rightly so, given who his electorate is.

    True. But possibly shortsighted. He has to be PM after he wins.



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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,538
    Any ideas what Hunt's aim is in supporting Trump and Katie Hopkins - Katie Hopkins FFS!? I'm assuming it must be some sort of ploy to lure a few more headbangers to his cause, rather than actually believing that they have anything of merit to say.
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  • slowmart
    slowmart Posts: 4,516
    Headbangers = Tory party membership who will vote on which out of two candidates will become Prime Minister.


    One things for sure, a no deal PM will trigger a vote of no confidence in the government which will be followed by a GE.

    Which will change the composition of Parliament at which point we attain some degree of political alignment and effective government.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,538
    Slowmart wrote:
    Headbangers = Tory party membership who will vote on which out of two candidates will become Prime Minister.


    One things for sure, a no deal PM will trigger a vote of no confidence in the government which will be followed by a GE.

    Which will change the composition of Parliament at which point we attain some degree of political alignment and effective government.

    I don't get why people think there will be a big shakeup of parliament in a GE. The last one was hardly a vote of confidence in anything and nothing has really changed since then. All this nonsense about parliament not representing the will of the people: whose fault is that? They are only there because people voted for them.
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  • chris_bass
    chris_bass Posts: 4,913
    the thing i don't get is that we will have had 3 prime ministers, 1 general election and possibly another one before we leave the EU and since the referendum vote and yet having a second vote is somehow undemocratic.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,538
    Chris Bass wrote:
    the thing i don't get is that we will have had 3 prime ministers, 1 general election and possibly another one before we leave the EU and since the referendum vote and yet having a second vote is somehow undemocratic.

    Because they are worried they might lose.
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  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    rjsterry wrote:
    Chris Bass wrote:
    the thing i don't get is that we will have had 3 prime ministers, 1 general election and possibly another one before we leave the EU and since the referendum vote and yet having a second vote is somehow undemocratic.

    Because they are worried they might lose.

    They lost it long ago. They just can't admit it.
  • sgt.pepper
    sgt.pepper Posts: 300
    Robert88 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Chris Bass wrote:
    the thing i don't get is that we will have had 3 prime ministers, 1 general election and possibly another one before we leave the EU and since the referendum vote and yet having a second vote is somehow undemocratic.

    Because they are worried they might lose.

    They lost it long ago. They just can't admit it.

    The establishment's resistance and incompetence isn't a legitimate reason to brow-beat the public into changing their minds just because you didn't like the original result.

    We can't go back to the days of just ignoring those pesky unwashed masses - the genie is out of the bottle.

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