Seemingly trivial things that intrigue you
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I’ll forgive you but the cod parenting advice is not helpful.rjsterry said:
To identify them as part of the school. To signify their belonging to that group.rick_chasey said:
Yeah. So why are we forcing them to wear the same manky stuff? If you’re interested in self expression uniforms are literally the opposite.rjsterry said:
Maybe they actually like looking smart. Maybe they actually enjoy how it makes them feel. Maybe they're interested in clothing. It's a form of non-verbal communication.rick_chasey said:
Why the f@ck should kids look smart?! They kids ffs. Got their whole grown up lives to look smart for some bastards they don’t like.briantrumpet said:First.Aspect said:
You make it sound like kids can't figure out who has money and who doesn't. And pick on the doesn'ts.pinno said:
I am an advocate of school uniforms. They are a leveller. When You don't have school uniforms, flash Harry with his rich dad turns up in £90 fcuking Reeboks (as Chubby Brown so eloquently put it) and the other kids pressure mum/dad to compete.First.Aspect said:
Why is it that generations of teachers try to impose utterly pointless uniform rules? Do you have an Arbitrary and Unjustified module in the PGCE? Or do they still mourn the passing of national service?briantrumpet said:rjsterry said:
Don't mess with kids. They can play you like a fiddle before they can even speak.briantrumpet said:That such a supposedly brilliant headteacher should so wildly underestimate the collective cunning and wit of pupils in challenging or winding up teachers, especially ones they don't respect. And not forgetting those who make vindictive false accusations to get back at teachers they hate.
I'm reminded of one spat in a local Exeter school when the dress code changed to stop boys wearing shorts as part of the uniform, so they wore the school skirts instead, until the school saw sense.
Bet they can't believe that no. 10 is being asked for its views on the matter 😁
Teachers so easily wound up by bored kids should possibly consider whether they have the skills for the job.
You can guarantee that if a teacher has any 'triggers', that pupils will exploit it for entertainment. Well, theirs, if not the teacher's. And news spreads rapidly, even before social media.
Also, a second hand market is created with uniforms making them a bit more accessible to those who haven't got the readies.
We had uniform nazis of the highest rank and even the wrong shoelaces was enough to get you a kicking. The uniform gestapo was always one shoelace behind.
I assume teachers never actually went to school. Or there is a memory wiping module in the pgce.
They didn't teach maths very well either. Or physics. Or chemistry. Or anything. But I did wear a blazer.
I've spent quite a bit of time this year in a school with a very high proportion on pupil premium... in fact (I think), the highest proportion in the whole of the South West, and yet I had no idea from their appearance that more than one of the pupils I was working with had at least one medic parent (and therefore probably reasonably well-off). Genuinely I can't tell - they just look smart in their simple uniforms.
I will never ever understand British obsession with school uniform.
Rest of the world manages fine. It’s moronic and old fashioned.
Obsession with conformity and a sort of ritual hazing by making kids wear uncomfortable clothes and have teachers chastise them about it when, let’s face it, kids don’t buy their own clothes.
Also - I think you've yet to get to this bit - a child can quite easily waste half an hour in the morning choosing which pair of near identical socks to wear. The last thing they need is more choice.
It's just a polo shirt and maybe a coloured jumper with a badge. You don't need to project all the other stuff on to it. You'll give your kid a complex. They are not having their soul crushed by being expected to wear grey school trousers.
I am not so stupid to think that discussing this in front of the child is sensible as they have no choice in the matter so let them come up with their own opinions.
It is fairly trivial but in that context school uniform is awful.
Uniform is usually reserved for roles where self expression is unhelpful and you’re representing an institution with some authority; Military, police etc.
Why is that appropriate for a school?0 -
Off on your travels then sir. Forget these now inexplicable and impossible domestic females.morstar said:
Do I need consent?morstar said:Time to find a young mistress and propagate.
So bloody woke! Will make it far harder to achieve.
I found one in Cap Ferret. She was stunning and warm and gently tanned.
...and then found out it was the hotelier's wife. He was a 53 year old German with a very grumpy disposition. She was 27.
Why oh why oh why did I not bundle her in my car and whisk her away?seanoconn - gruagach craic!1 -
I'm intrigued when the Mr and Mrs stuff will be phased out.0
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Suggest it at your next staff meeting. Explain that plain suits do not identify you as part of the school.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
Why doesn't this apply to the teachers? It's usually staff as opposed to customers that are meant to be in uniform.rjsterry said:
To identify them as part of the school. To signify their belonging to that group.rick_chasey said:
Yeah. So why are we forcing them to wear the same manky stuff? If you’re interested in self expression uniforms are literally the opposite.rjsterry said:
Maybe they actually like looking smart. Maybe they actually enjoy how it makes them feel. Maybe they're interested in clothing. It's a form of non-verbal communication.rick_chasey said:
Why the f@ck should kids look smart?! They kids ffs. Got their whole grown up lives to look smart for some bastards they don’t like.briantrumpet said:First.Aspect said:
You make it sound like kids can't figure out who has money and who doesn't. And pick on the doesn'ts.pinno said:
I am an advocate of school uniforms. They are a leveller. When You don't have school uniforms, flash Harry with his rich dad turns up in £90 fcuking Reeboks (as Chubby Brown so eloquently put it) and the other kids pressure mum/dad to compete.First.Aspect said:
Why is it that generations of teachers try to impose utterly pointless uniform rules? Do you have an Arbitrary and Unjustified module in the PGCE? Or do they still mourn the passing of national service?briantrumpet said:rjsterry said:
Don't mess with kids. They can play you like a fiddle before they can even speak.briantrumpet said:That such a supposedly brilliant headteacher should so wildly underestimate the collective cunning and wit of pupils in challenging or winding up teachers, especially ones they don't respect. And not forgetting those who make vindictive false accusations to get back at teachers they hate.
I'm reminded of one spat in a local Exeter school when the dress code changed to stop boys wearing shorts as part of the uniform, so they wore the school skirts instead, until the school saw sense.
Bet they can't believe that no. 10 is being asked for its views on the matter 😁
Teachers so easily wound up by bored kids should possibly consider whether they have the skills for the job.
You can guarantee that if a teacher has any 'triggers', that pupils will exploit it for entertainment. Well, theirs, if not the teacher's. And news spreads rapidly, even before social media.
Also, a second hand market is created with uniforms making them a bit more accessible to those who haven't got the readies.
We had uniform nazis of the highest rank and even the wrong shoelaces was enough to get you a kicking. The uniform gestapo was always one shoelace behind.
I assume teachers never actually went to school. Or there is a memory wiping module in the pgce.
They didn't teach maths very well either. Or physics. Or chemistry. Or anything. But I did wear a blazer.
I've spent quite a bit of time this year in a school with a very high proportion on pupil premium... in fact (I think), the highest proportion in the whole of the South West, and yet I had no idea from their appearance that more than one of the pupils I was working with had at least one medic parent (and therefore probably reasonably well-off). Genuinely I can't tell - they just look smart in their simple uniforms.
I will never ever understand British obsession with school uniform.
Rest of the world manages fine. It’s moronic and old fashioned.
Obsession with conformity and a sort of ritual hazing by making kids wear uncomfortable clothes and have teachers chastise them about it when, let’s face it, kids don’t buy their own clothes.
Also - I think you've yet to get to this bit - a child can quite easily waste half an hour in the morning choosing which pair of near identical socks to wear. The last thing they need is more choice.
It's just a polo shirt and maybe a coloured jumper with a badge. You don't need to project all the other stuff on to it. You'll give your kid a complex. They are not having their soul crushed by being expected to wear grey school trousers.
TBH, I wouldn't mind if it was polo shorts rather than ties & jackets.0 -
All the schoolkids need to do if they don't like school uniform is to self identify as scruffy urchins then the teachers won't stand in their way?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
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My kid is at uni so those days are in the past for me. However the thing about kids self identifying as daft things to wind up their teachers is quite a amusing though:rick_chasey said:
The standard uniform is scruffy anyway.Stevo_666 said:All the schoolkids need to do if they don't like school uniform is to self identify as scruffy urchins then the teachers won't stand in their way?
Who wants to wear a nylon polo tshirt and a nasty sweatshirt
https://telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/06/21/schoolchildren-identifying-as-animals-mockery/
It would appear that the 'joke is on the woke', so to say
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Maybe it should. School children are not customers, though.TheBigBean said:
Why doesn't this apply to the teachers? It's usually staff as opposed to customers that are meant to be in uniform.rjsterry said:
To identify them as part of the school. To signify their belonging to that group.rick_chasey said:
Yeah. So why are we forcing them to wear the same manky stuff? If you’re interested in self expression uniforms are literally the opposite.rjsterry said:
Maybe they actually like looking smart. Maybe they actually enjoy how it makes them feel. Maybe they're interested in clothing. It's a form of non-verbal communication.rick_chasey said:
Why the f@ck should kids look smart?! They kids ffs. Got their whole grown up lives to look smart for some bastards they don’t like.briantrumpet said:First.Aspect said:
You make it sound like kids can't figure out who has money and who doesn't. And pick on the doesn'ts.pinno said:
I am an advocate of school uniforms. They are a leveller. When You don't have school uniforms, flash Harry with his rich dad turns up in £90 fcuking Reeboks (as Chubby Brown so eloquently put it) and the other kids pressure mum/dad to compete.First.Aspect said:
Why is it that generations of teachers try to impose utterly pointless uniform rules? Do you have an Arbitrary and Unjustified module in the PGCE? Or do they still mourn the passing of national service?briantrumpet said:rjsterry said:
Don't mess with kids. They can play you like a fiddle before they can even speak.briantrumpet said:That such a supposedly brilliant headteacher should so wildly underestimate the collective cunning and wit of pupils in challenging or winding up teachers, especially ones they don't respect. And not forgetting those who make vindictive false accusations to get back at teachers they hate.
I'm reminded of one spat in a local Exeter school when the dress code changed to stop boys wearing shorts as part of the uniform, so they wore the school skirts instead, until the school saw sense.
Bet they can't believe that no. 10 is being asked for its views on the matter 😁
Teachers so easily wound up by bored kids should possibly consider whether they have the skills for the job.
You can guarantee that if a teacher has any 'triggers', that pupils will exploit it for entertainment. Well, theirs, if not the teacher's. And news spreads rapidly, even before social media.
Also, a second hand market is created with uniforms making them a bit more accessible to those who haven't got the readies.
We had uniform nazis of the highest rank and even the wrong shoelaces was enough to get you a kicking. The uniform gestapo was always one shoelace behind.
I assume teachers never actually went to school. Or there is a memory wiping module in the pgce.
They didn't teach maths very well either. Or physics. Or chemistry. Or anything. But I did wear a blazer.
I've spent quite a bit of time this year in a school with a very high proportion on pupil premium... in fact (I think), the highest proportion in the whole of the South West, and yet I had no idea from their appearance that more than one of the pupils I was working with had at least one medic parent (and therefore probably reasonably well-off). Genuinely I can't tell - they just look smart in their simple uniforms.
I will never ever understand British obsession with school uniform.
Rest of the world manages fine. It’s moronic and old fashioned.
Obsession with conformity and a sort of ritual hazing by making kids wear uncomfortable clothes and have teachers chastise them about it when, let’s face it, kids don’t buy their own clothes.
Also - I think you've yet to get to this bit - a child can quite easily waste half an hour in the morning choosing which pair of near identical socks to wear. The last thing they need is more choice.
It's just a polo shirt and maybe a coloured jumper with a badge. You don't need to project all the other stuff on to it. You'll give your kid a complex. They are not having their soul crushed by being expected to wear grey school trousers.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Eh? You just both seemed to find it catharticFirst.Aspect said:
Is resistance futile?rjsterry said:
You two need a group therapy session.First.Aspect said:
God this is so refreshing.rick_chasey said:
Yeah. So why are we forcing them to wear the same manky stuff? If you’re interested in self expression uniforms are literally the opposite.rjsterry said:
Maybe they actually like looking smart. Maybe they actually enjoy how it makes them feel. Maybe they're interested in clothing. It's a form of non-verbal communication.rick_chasey said:
Why the f@ck should kids look smart?! They kids ffs. Got their whole grown up lives to look smart for some bastards they don’t like.briantrumpet said:First.Aspect said:
You make it sound like kids can't figure out who has money and who doesn't. And pick on the doesn'ts.pinno said:
I am an advocate of school uniforms. They are a leveller. When You don't have school uniforms, flash Harry with his rich dad turns up in £90 fcuking Reeboks (as Chubby Brown so eloquently put it) and the other kids pressure mum/dad to compete.First.Aspect said:
Why is it that generations of teachers try to impose utterly pointless uniform rules? Do you have an Arbitrary and Unjustified module in the PGCE? Or do they still mourn the passing of national service?briantrumpet said:rjsterry said:
Don't mess with kids. They can play you like a fiddle before they can even speak.briantrumpet said:That such a supposedly brilliant headteacher should so wildly underestimate the collective cunning and wit of pupils in challenging or winding up teachers, especially ones they don't respect. And not forgetting those who make vindictive false accusations to get back at teachers they hate.
I'm reminded of one spat in a local Exeter school when the dress code changed to stop boys wearing shorts as part of the uniform, so they wore the school skirts instead, until the school saw sense.
Bet they can't believe that no. 10 is being asked for its views on the matter 😁
Teachers so easily wound up by bored kids should possibly consider whether they have the skills for the job.
You can guarantee that if a teacher has any 'triggers', that pupils will exploit it for entertainment. Well, theirs, if not the teacher's. And news spreads rapidly, even before social media.
Also, a second hand market is created with uniforms making them a bit more accessible to those who haven't got the readies.
We had uniform nazis of the highest rank and even the wrong shoelaces was enough to get you a kicking. The uniform gestapo was always one shoelace behind.
I assume teachers never actually went to school. Or there is a memory wiping module in the pgce.
They didn't teach maths very well either. Or physics. Or chemistry. Or anything. But I did wear a blazer.
I've spent quite a bit of time this year in a school with a very high proportion on pupil premium... in fact (I think), the highest proportion in the whole of the South West, and yet I had no idea from their appearance that more than one of the pupils I was working with had at least one medic parent (and therefore probably reasonably well-off). Genuinely I can't tell - they just look smart in their simple uniforms.
I will never ever understand British obsession with school uniform.
Rest of the world manages fine. It’s moronic and old fashioned.
Obsession with conformity and a sort of ritual hazing by making kids wear uncomfortable clothes and have teachers chastise them about it when, let’s face it, kids don’t buy their own clothes.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
That hasn’t been on the TV for decades.TheBigBean said:I'm intrigued when the Mr and Mrs stuff will be phased out.
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They've successfully managed to catch the Telegraph and the government with their bait, which I'll admit is somewhat impressive.Stevo_666 said:
My kid is at uni so those days are in the past for me. However the thing about kids self identifying as daft things to wind up their teachers is quite a amusing though:rick_chasey said:
The standard uniform is scruffy anyway.Stevo_666 said:All the schoolkids need to do if they don't like school uniform is to self identify as scruffy urchins then the teachers won't stand in their way?
Who wants to wear a nylon polo tshirt and a nasty sweatshirt
https://telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/06/21/schoolchildren-identifying-as-animals-mockery/
It would appear that the 'joke is on the woke', so to say0 -
I quite like the idea of teachers wearing some form of rank insignia. Perhaps one dot on a collar for a new start, a second open one if you are in charge of the school hamsters, right up to 4 dots for head teacher.
You could colour code by discipline as well. Blue for science teachers, and red supply teachers who may not last long etc.0 -
How is it that call centre waiting times for some companies are always longer than usual.
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First.Aspect said:
How is it that call centre waiting times for some companies are always longer than usual.
That's like education ministers wanting everyone's maths, reading and writing ability to be average or above.1 -
This is called a Govian analysis.briantrumpet said:First.Aspect said:How is it that call centre waiting times for some companies are always longer than usual.
That's like education ministers wanting everyone's maths, reading and writing ability to be average or above.0 -
Because your call is NOT important to themFirst.Aspect said:How is it that call centre waiting times for some companies are always longer than usual.
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My sister's kids went to school in Italy, she wished they'd had uniforms as they took ages over what to wear because they had to keep up with whatever trend. Her son would have preferred a uniform as he couldn't be bothered on the one hand, yet felt pressured to wear whatever was trendy.
My sister was always pushing the boundaries of what was acceptable within the uniform rules, so for her to think they are preferable is quite something. Kids managed to find their own identity within the uniform rules, be it through style of shoes, trousers or how you wore your tie.0 -
If school kids don’t wear uniforms, then none uniform days won’t be up to much.0
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Rick Astley is a better Morrisey than Morrisey.0
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Oh, and the Frost Bitten Monkeys are $hyte.0
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She might change her mind when she sees what she’d be putting them in.veronese68 said:My sister's kids went to school in Italy, she wished they'd had uniforms as they took ages over what to wear because they had to keep up with whatever trend. Her son would have preferred a uniform as he couldn't be bothered on the one hand, yet felt pressured to wear whatever was trendy.
My sister was always pushing the boundaries of what was acceptable within the uniform rules, so for her to think they are preferable is quite something. Kids managed to find their own identity within the uniform rules, be it through style of shoes, trousers or how you wore your tie.
Polyester central.0 -
Glasto has Lizzo, shall I say she's large, with her lardy backing troupe on the Pyramid stage. (I heard Lizzo on R2 back in the winter with Jo Whiley and liked then but live... nah) Meanwhile on Park Stage The Pretenders with Chrissie Hynde looking good and going strong inc current song lyric "We don't have to get fat, we don't have to get old" 😊
Plus now has Johnny Marr on stage with her 👍0 -
Weren't you moved by the wonderful display of body positivity??orraloon said:Glasto has Lizzo, shall I say she's large, with her lardy backing troupe on the Pyramid stage. (I heard Lizzo on R2 back in the winter with Jo Whiley and liked then but live... nah) Meanwhile on Park Stage The Pretenders with Chrissie Hynde looking good and going strong inc current song lyric "We don't have to get fat, we don't have to get old" 😊
Plus now has Johnny Marr on stage with her 👍0 -
Before I enjoyed her vocals. The stage act, meh not so much 😉mrb123 said:
Weren't you moved by the wonderful display of body positivity??orraloon said:Glasto has Lizzo, shall I say she's large, with her lardy backing troupe on the Pyramid stage. (I heard Lizzo on R2 back in the winter with Jo Whiley and liked then but live... nah) Meanwhile on Park Stage The Pretenders with Chrissie Hynde looking good and going strong inc current song lyric "We don't have to get fat, we don't have to get old" 😊
Plus now has Johnny Marr on stage with her 👍
Don't know if the timings are live / delayed on the iPlayer feeds, but Dave Grohl just joined The Pretenders on stage on drums for 1 number. Jings. Liking this Glasto.
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Axl Rose looks a wee bit different in 2023 to how I remember him. Iz we all getting old?0
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She has seen English school children in recent yearsrick_chasey said:
She might change her mind when she sees what she’d be putting them in.veronese68 said:My sister's kids went to school in Italy, she wished they'd had uniforms as they took ages over what to wear because they had to keep up with whatever trend. Her son would have preferred a uniform as he couldn't be bothered on the one hand, yet felt pressured to wear whatever was trendy.
My sister was always pushing the boundaries of what was acceptable within the uniform rules, so for her to think they are preferable is quite something. Kids managed to find their own identity within the uniform rules, be it through style of shoes, trousers or how you wore your tie.
Polyester central.0 -
Guns N' Roses performing. As in, just watch us. No direct interaction with the audience, c'mon join in as per Dave Grohl, Sharleen S, Lewis C, Rick A et al. Missing a component.0
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Blossoms plus Rick Astley sing The Smihs is a proper reminder of how good those songs are. 6pm on the Woodsies stage this evening. Best tribute act you'll see.focuszing723 said:Rick Astley is a better Morrisey than Morrisey.
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It's bad, but imagine how bad it would be if you didn't know the songs already.orraloon said:Guns N' Roses performing. As in, just watch us. No direct interaction with the audience, c'mon join in as per Dave Grohl, Sharleen S, Lewis C, Rick A et al. Missing a component.
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