Seemingly trivial things that intrigue you

pinno

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

M² is used far more commonly used in Europe.
When we rented a self catering flat in Lisbon, Catalunya and the Algarve, the size in m² was in the ad. .
It's a yardstick (hee hee) that we aren't used to. If you said that a flat was 170m², I wouldn't have a clue as to how big it is.

More or less x10 - 3.3^2 is 10.9.

You're an odd one FA. Can you visualise 170m²?

First.Aspect

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

M² is used far more commonly used in Europe.
When we rented a self catering flat in Lisbon, Catalunya and the Algarve, the size in m² was in the ad. .
It's a yardstick (hee hee) that we aren't used to. If you said that a flat was 170m², I wouldn't have a clue as to how big it is.

More or less x10 - 3.3^2 is 10.9.

You're an odd one FA. Can you visualise 170m²?

Can you visualise 1700 square feet?

First.Aspect

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

M² is used far more commonly used in Europe.
When we rented a self catering flat in Lisbon, Catalunya and the Algarve, the size in m² was in the ad. .
It's a yardstick (hee hee) that we aren't used to. If you said that a flat was 170m², I wouldn't have a clue as to how big it is.

More or less x10 - 3.3^2 is 10.9.

You're an odd one FA. Can you visualise 170m²?

Yes it's about 13m each side.

rjsterry

A small one bed flat will be around 45-50m2. A typical two-storey London terraced house is around 100m2; the main part of the house is normally around 5m x 8m, plus the rear wing.
Minimum size for new-build bedrooms is 9m2 for a single and 12m2 for a double IIRC.

pblakeney

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

M² is used far more commonly used in Europe.
When we rented a self catering flat in Lisbon, Catalunya and the Algarve, the size in m² was in the ad. .
It's a yardstick (hee hee) that we aren't used to. If you said that a flat was 170m², I wouldn't have a clue as to how big it is.

More or less x10 - 3.3^2 is 10.9.

You're an odd one FA. Can you visualise 170m²?

I can visualise 10m x 17m quite easily. 🤔

rjsterry

pinno said:

M² is used far more commonly used in Europe.
When we rented a self catering flat in Lisbon, Catalunya and the Algarve, the size in m² was in the ad. .
It's a yardstick (hee hee) that we aren't used to. If you said that a flat was 170m², I wouldn't have a clue as to how big it is.

Quite big for a flat. Probably 3 or 4 bedrooms.

masjer

When you view a new build, the foundations often look like it'll be a Wendy house until the walls go up.
Mind you, the size of UK new builds seem to be ever shrinking.

Pross

masjer said:

When you view a new build, the foundations often look like it'll be a Wendy house until the walls go up.
Mind you, the size of UK new builds seem to be ever shrinking.

The average new build in the UK is something like 9m2 smaller than the UK overall average (presumably the overall average is also shrinking as a result on the new builds). That's probably the equivalent to losing a fairly average size kitchen.

pinno

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

M² is used far more commonly used in Europe.
When we rented a self catering flat in Lisbon, Catalunya and the Algarve, the size in m² was in the ad. .
It's a yardstick (hee hee) that we aren't used to. If you said that a flat was 170m², I wouldn't have a clue as to how big it is.

More or less x10 - 3.3^2 is 10.9.

You're an odd one FA. Can you visualise 170m²?

Can you visualise 1700 square feet?

No.

orraloon

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

M² is used far more commonly used in Europe.
When we rented a self catering flat in Lisbon, Catalunya and the Algarve, the size in m² was in the ad. .
It's a yardstick (hee hee) that we aren't used to. If you said that a flat was 170m², I wouldn't have a clue as to how big it is.

More or less x10 - 3.3^2 is 10.9.

You're an odd one FA. Can you visualise 170m²?

Can you visualise 1700 square feet?

That'll be 850 hobbits.

First.Aspect

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

M² is used far more commonly used in Europe.
When we rented a self catering flat in Lisbon, Catalunya and the Algarve, the size in m² was in the ad. .
It's a yardstick (hee hee) that we aren't used to. If you said that a flat was 170m², I wouldn't have a clue as to how big it is.

More or less x10 - 3.3^2 is 10.9.

You're an odd one FA. Can you visualise 170m²?

Can you visualise 1700 square feet?

No.

I think we are getting to the nub of the problem.

It is about the size of a tennis court.

briantrumpet

pinno said:

M² is used far more commonly used in Europe.
When we rented a self catering flat in Lisbon, Catalunya and the Algarve, the size in m² was in the ad. .
It's a yardstick (hee hee) that we aren't used to. If you said that a flat was 170m², I wouldn't have a clue as to how big it is.

Insurance is based on it, and the number of rooms.

pinno said:

M² is used far more commonly used in Europe.
When we rented a self catering flat in Lisbon, Catalunya and the Algarve, the size in m² was in the ad. .
It's a yardstick (hee hee) that we aren't used to. If you said that a flat was 170m², I wouldn't have a clue as to how big it is.

I think if you know the size of your own abode in m², and look in estate agents' windows, you develop a sense of how big places are, in the same way I ended up being able to estimate acreage of fields in my farming days. The human brain has evolved to conceptualise.

Pross

For this sort of size SFP (standard football pitches) does prove a good measure. I assume an SFP to be 500m2 so 170m2 would be roughly the size of the pitch from the edge of the penalty box to the half way line over the full width or 1/3rd of the pitch.

First.Aspect

Pross said:

For this sort of size SFP (standard football pitches) does prove a good measure. I assume an SFP to be 500m2 so 170m2 would be roughly the size of the pitch from the edge of the penalty box to the half way line over the full width or 1/3rd of the pitch.

No, it's only about 20% of the penalty area.

surrey_commuter

First.Aspect said:

Pross said:

For this sort of size SFP (standard football pitches) does prove a good measure. I assume an SFP to be 500m2 so 170m2 would be roughly the size of the pitch from the edge of the penalty box to the half way line over the full width or 1/3rd of the pitch.

No, it's only about 20% of the penalty area.

I always picture an acre as a football pitch

Pross

First.Aspect said:

Pross said:

For this sort of size SFP (standard football pitches) does prove a good measure. I assume an SFP to be 500m2 so 170m2 would be roughly the size of the pitch from the edge of the penalty box to the half way line over the full width or 1/3rd of the pitch.

No, it's only about 20% of the penalty area.

Yeah, I'm a factor or 10 out - how embarassing! Pitch is 5000m2 (roughly)

veronese68

surrey_commuter said:

First.Aspect said:

Pross said:

For this sort of size SFP (standard football pitches) does prove a good measure. I assume an SFP to be 500m2 so 170m2 would be roughly the size of the pitch from the edge of the penalty box to the half way line over the full width or 1/3rd of the pitch.

No, it's only about 20% of the penalty area.

I always picture an acre as a football pitch

Same here

capt_slog

Not trivial I know, but...

The Ukrainian forces found those graves in the wood which are evidence of war crimes. There are bodies which show signs of torture.

How come they have crosses with names on? It's seems an odd thing to do if you wanted to get rid of anything incriminating.

rick_chasey

Was riding on an empty country road.

A single car comes the other way.

As it nears me it decides to veer across the road directly at me. I do some cyclocross to avoid.

Wtf was that all about?!

Pross

rick_chasey said:

Was riding on an empty country road.

A single car comes the other way.

As it nears me it decides to veer across the road directly at me. I do some cyclocross to avoid.

Wtf was that all about?!

They know you?

pinno

Pross said:

rick_chasey said:

Was riding on an empty country road.

A single car comes the other way.

As it nears me it decides to veer across the road directly at me. I do some cyclocross to avoid.

Wtf was that all about?!

They know you?

Harsh but funny.

pblakeney

European sizing. See the example below.
EU-40, France/Spain (E?)-42, Italy-46. No wonder we have trouble with Castelli sizing. 🤣

pinno

Average M in Italy must be average S for us.

rick_chasey

Only in length. Not in width.

pblakeney

Oh, just for clarity, this is from one of my wife's tops hence the USA 10.

pinno

orraloon said:

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

M² is used far more commonly used in Europe.
When we rented a self catering flat in Lisbon, Catalunya and the Algarve, the size in m² was in the ad. .
It's a yardstick (hee hee) that we aren't used to. If you said that a flat was 170m², I wouldn't have a clue as to how big it is.

More or less x10 - 3.3^2 is 10.9.

You're an odd one FA. Can you visualise 170m²?

Can you visualise 1700 square feet?

That'll be 850 hobbits.

Finally, some clarity. Ta.

pinno

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

M² is used far more commonly used in Europe.
When we rented a self catering flat in Lisbon, Catalunya and the Algarve, the size in m² was in the ad. .
It's a yardstick (hee hee) that we aren't used to. If you said that a flat was 170m², I wouldn't have a clue as to how big it is.

More or less x10 - 3.3^2 is 10.9.

You're an odd one FA. Can you visualise 170m²?

Can you visualise 1700 square feet?

No.

I think we are getting to the nub of the problem.

It is about the size of a tennis court.

When I gutted this house, I quickly started using mm and M when I used to almost always use inches. Measuring and ordering became perfectly natural and rarely got it wrong. However (a conversation I had with Rjsterry) there's a common split personality in that:

"Can I have 10 sheets of 8 by 4, 12.5mm plasterboard?" or... "6 lengths of 2.4m 3 by 2 cls?" etc and I heard many builders doing exactly the same.

rjsterry

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

M² is used far more commonly used in Europe.
When we rented a self catering flat in Lisbon, Catalunya and the Algarve, the size in m² was in the ad. .
It's a yardstick (hee hee) that we aren't used to. If you said that a flat was 170m², I wouldn't have a clue as to how big it is.

More or less x10 - 3.3^2 is 10.9.

You're an odd one FA. Can you visualise 170m²?

Can you visualise 1700 square feet?

No.

I think we are getting to the nub of the problem.

It is about the size of a tennis court.

When I gutted this house, I quickly started using mm and M when I used to almost always use inches. Measuring and ordering became perfectly natural and rarely got it wrong. However (a conversation I had with Rjsterry) there's a common split personality in that:

"Can I have 10 sheets of 8 by 4, 12.5mm plasterboard?" or... "6 lengths of 2.4m 3 by 2 cls?" etc and I heard many builders doing exactly the same.

It's just occurred to me that this is very similar to bilingual people chatting and shifting between the two languages mid sentence.

monkimark

I'm (just about) young enough that I've never really used imperial measurements but on site we still refer to timber as 3"x2" etc. I treat that like a name, actual measurements are always done in mm.

I worked on a major project which involved stitching into an existing building from the 50s so I had all the original drawings in feet and inches - how anyone can work with imperial measurements is beyond me.

pblakeney

Steel section too. They may be given metric nominations but they are always odd sizes. Can you imagine the cost of retooling a foundry? That's my guess as to why anyway.