Wife of ISIS fighter wants to return to the UK
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This is the return of the Botster. I expect the bedwetting terminology some time soon.
Fuxxing gammons eh, gotta lurve 'em.0 -
No the bedwetters was mine. not coopster.orraloon said:This is the return of the Botster. I expect the bedwetting terminology some time soon.
Fuxxing gammons eh, gotta lurve 'em.
Have you anything to add other than abuse? only you seem like a bedwetter.
I can only surmise from your comments that you think we should have the foreign terrorist here and screw everyones safety.
Is that the case or are you outraged and just feeling impotent by the news?
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I'm sorry what? What hate?0
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We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Bit worrying that the government say that she would be a major security risk and the security services wouldn't be able to monitor her. I got more faith in them than those who seem to be scared of her. Big bunch of wusses.0
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She is not, and has never been Bangladeshi.david37 said:
the thing is, its the Bangladeshis that are actually making her stateless. She's their problem.pblakeney said:
That is just absolving us of responsibility. I agree that should lose some freedom but slopey shouldering the issue is not a good look. Neither is forcing an unwanted citizenship onto someone, who will not be granted said citizenship.Dorset_Boy said:My BiL was born in Warsaw to British parents.
He isn't Polish. They just happened to be working there when he was born.
The UK Supreme Court have evidently decided that Begum sacrificed her Britsih citizenship when she chose to go and become a citizen of the Islamic State, hence she can't return to challenge any charges against her.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
really? are you sure?pblakeney said:
She is not, and has never been Bangladeshi.david37 said:
the thing is, its the Bangladeshis that are actually making her stateless. She's their problem.pblakeney said:
That is just absolving us of responsibility. I agree that should lose some freedom but slopey shouldering the issue is not a good look. Neither is forcing an unwanted citizenship onto someone, who will not be granted said citizenship.Dorset_Boy said:My BiL was born in Warsaw to British parents.
He isn't Polish. They just happened to be working there when he was born.
The UK Supreme Court have evidently decided that Begum sacrificed her Britsih citizenship when she chose to go and become a citizen of the Islamic State, hence she can't return to challenge any charges against her.
I mean really sure not just I thought about it or heard it from a lefty in a pub .
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Citizenship Act 1951
a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of Bangladesh by descent if his father or mother is a citizen of Bangladesh at the time of her birth. It goes on to say that dual nationality is not permitted, so someone with another citizenship “ceases to be a citizen of Bangladesh. Over the Age of 21.
The murdering scum was under 21 at the time she lost her citizenship so there you go. Let her die
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I thought the right on group think was that Davis is an idiot. Is he suddenly spot on ?ddraver said:Bloody woke lefties...
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You appear to be working yourself into a right lather. Time for bed perhaps?david37 said:Citizenship Act 1951
a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of Bangladesh by descent if his father or mother is a citizen of Bangladesh at the time of her birth. It goes on to say that dual nationality is not permitted, so someone with another citizenship “ceases to be a citizen of Bangladesh. Over the Age of 21.
The murdering scum was under 21 at the time she lost her citizenship so there you go. Let her die0 -
Play the ball, not the man.0
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That’s one of the points. She’s not faced justice, nor been tried.david37 said:
She has faced British Justice. It seems to be working just fine.rick_chasey said:Surprised the nationalists here don’t agree that their justice system is the best and so it would be fitting for her to face British Justice.
Blah blah I did a gcse in history, Britain imperial, Britain to blame, need to see it from smug corporate admin/recruiter perspective I'm so skinny but weak but happy with my low stem blah blah blah blah
Bring her back, try her and then move on with what ever the verdict is.
A right to a fair trial is a basic human right.“Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to cycle and he will realize fishing is stupid and boring”
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"3. Citizenship at the date of commencement of this Act. At the commencement of this Act every person shall be deemed to be a citizen of Bangladesh.david37 said:Citizenship Act 1951
a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of Bangladesh by descent if his father or mother is a citizen of Bangladesh at the time of her birth. It goes on to say that dual nationality is not permitted, so someone with another citizenship “ceases to be a citizen of Bangladesh. Over the Age of 21.
The murdering scum was under 21 at the time she lost her citizenship so there you go. Let her die
a) Who or any of whose parents or grandparents was born in the territory now included in Bangladesh and who after the fourteenth day of August. 1947, has not been permanently resident in any country outside Bangladesh; or..."
Her father was given permanent resident status in the UK.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Wow, what evidence do you have she’s a murderer? Not even the Daily Express has alleged that.david37 said:Citizenship Act 1951
a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of Bangladesh by descent if his father or mother is a citizen of Bangladesh at the time of her birth. It goes on to say that dual nationality is not permitted, so someone with another citizenship “ceases to be a citizen of Bangladesh. Over the Age of 21.
The murdering scum was under 21 at the time she lost her citizenship so there you go. Let her die
She was 15 when she went to Syria. Below the age of consent
“Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to cycle and he will realize fishing is stupid and boring”
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What is it about sometimes agreeing with rulings and not with others that you feel is problematic?ballysmate said:
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Yes. Complicated isn't it? Sometimes people you generally disagree with make a good point. Sometimes people you agree with say stupid stuff. I guess that's the trouble with tying yourself to one particular ideology.Stevo_666 said:
I thought the right on group think was that Davis is an idiot. Is he suddenly spot on ?ddraver said:Bloody woke lefties...
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Amazing that some people who are so adamant that all racists are pro Brexit let the veil slip so easily.
Most informed people (ie experts) think this is a bad idea as Bangladesh will never accept her and at some point we will be forced to give in and accept her back as you can not make somebody stateless. Also the Americans will lean on us to follow their lead and deal with our own problem and not dump it on a failing state. This current policy is just playing to the mob and presenting a growing bill to the taxpayer.
I see religious nutters who take up arms against the UK as never going to change so for me it would be death penalty or life (means life) in prison. However in this case she seems to be a Brit shagging fellas fighting a war in which UK is not involved.0 -
My take on this is that she's not Bangladesh's problem and morally we should take her back.
Having said that if a country allows dual citizenship it opens itself up to this kind of thing - personal view is that if you become a UK citizen you should have to give up your previous citizenship and vice versa.
Not a criticism of those that choose to take advantage of the system as it is.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
I don't think Cake Stop is capable of the adult discussion that this topic requires so I'm not going to hang around here much but... this ☝surrey_commuter said:Amazing that some people who are so adamant that all racists are pro Brexit let the veil slip so easily.
Most informed people (ie experts) think this is a bad idea as Bangladesh will never accept her and at some point we will be forced to give in and accept her back as you can not make somebody stateless. Also the Americans will lean on us to follow their lead and deal with our own problem and not dump it on a failing state. This current policy is just playing to the mob and presenting a growing bill to the taxpayer.
I see religious nutters who take up arms against the UK as never going to change so for me it would be death penalty or life (means life) in prison. However in this case she seems to be a Brit shagging fellas fighting a war in which UK is not involved.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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She didn't choose British citizenship. She was born and raised here. I agree that dual nationality - which on the face of it is an obvious solution for at least the children of different nationality parents - does create other issues. The more troubling aspect is that the case appears to confirm that there are two classes of British citizenship: one of which can be removed and one which can't. Probably music to the ears of the kind of flag-frotters that believed that the former were never really British.DeVlaeminck said:My take on this is that she's not Bangladesh's problem and morally we should take her back.
Having said that if a country allows dual citizenship it opens itself up to this kind of thing - personal view is that if you become a UK citizen you should have to give up your previous citizenship and vice versa.
Not a criticism of those that choose to take advantage of the system as it is.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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The only point I'd argue with is that 'religious nutters' are some sort of special category. I don't think it's fundamentally different from political ideology. Just as people can come to believe in an ideology, they can lose or give up that faith. Whether they choose to is another matter.ddraver said:
I don't think Cake Stop is capable of the adult discussion that this topic requires so I'm not going to hang around here much but... this ☝surrey_commuter said:Amazing that some people who are so adamant that all racists are pro Brexit let the veil slip so easily.
Most informed people (ie experts) think this is a bad idea as Bangladesh will never accept her and at some point we will be forced to give in and accept her back as you can not make somebody stateless. Also the Americans will lean on us to follow their lead and deal with our own problem and not dump it on a failing state. This current policy is just playing to the mob and presenting a growing bill to the taxpayer.
I see religious nutters who take up arms against the UK as never going to change so for me it would be death penalty or life (means life) in prison. However in this case she seems to be a Brit shagging fellas fighting a war in which UK is not involved.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I'm sure he'd still be an idiot if he said something you disagreed with.rjsterry said:
Yes. Complicated isn't it? Sometimes people you generally disagree with make a good point. Sometimes people you agree with say stupid stuff. I guess that's the trouble with tying yourself to one particular ideology.Stevo_666 said:
I thought the right on group think was that Davis is an idiot. Is he suddenly spot on ?ddraver said:Bloody woke lefties...
I'm with the Supreme Court on this one."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Fair enough. Rather punctures the idea that it's 'just lefties' who think that maybe this isn't great. What are your thoughts on the point about two classes of citizenship rather than the rather inconsequential twenty-something idiot?Stevo_666 said:
I'm sure he'd still be an idiot if he said something you disagreed with.rjsterry said:
Yes. Complicated isn't it? Sometimes people you generally disagree with make a good point. Sometimes people you agree with say stupid stuff. I guess that's the trouble with tying yourself to one particular ideology.Stevo_666 said:
I thought the right on group think was that Davis is an idiot. Is he suddenly spot on ?ddraver said:Bloody woke lefties...
I'm with the Supreme Court on this one.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Not seen anything on that.rjsterry said:
Fair enough. Rather punctures the idea that it's 'just lefties' who think that maybe this isn't great. What are your thoughts on the point about two classes of citizenship rather than the rather inconsequential twenty-something idiot?Stevo_666 said:
I'm sure he'd still be an idiot if he said something you disagreed with.rjsterry said:
Yes. Complicated isn't it? Sometimes people you generally disagree with make a good point. Sometimes people you agree with say stupid stuff. I guess that's the trouble with tying yourself to one particular ideology.Stevo_666 said:
I thought the right on group think was that Davis is an idiot. Is he suddenly spot on ?ddraver said:Bloody woke lefties...
I'm with the Supreme Court on this one."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You don't need to have seen anything on it. It's just a logical extension of the judgment. If some citizens can have that citizenship removed at the Home Secretary's discretion and others can't then all citizens are not equal under the law. I'd suggest that's a bigger issue than one supposedly dangerous individual.Stevo_666 said:
Not seen anything on that.rjsterry said:
Fair enough. Rather punctures the idea that it's 'just lefties' who think that maybe this isn't great. What are your thoughts on the point about two classes of citizenship rather than the rather inconsequential twenty-something idiot?Stevo_666 said:
I'm sure he'd still be an idiot if he said something you disagreed with.rjsterry said:
Yes. Complicated isn't it? Sometimes people you generally disagree with make a good point. Sometimes people you agree with say stupid stuff. I guess that's the trouble with tying yourself to one particular ideology.Stevo_666 said:
I thought the right on group think was that Davis is an idiot. Is he suddenly spot on ?ddraver said:Bloody woke lefties...
I'm with the Supreme Court on this one.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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This is not the first time something like this has happened, a British citizen agrees with an ideology from a foreign power that is against Britain, then joins that foreign power. Happened during WW2 and the Cold War.
But as far as I am aware, this is the first time the person hasn't ether changed their views (as what happened with some people who supported the Nazi Party early on), or full on defected to the enemy power (as what some did during the Cold War).
On one hand, removing someone's citizenship is very dangerous path to go down. But then we don't seem to have the things in place that help deal with people like this (at least nothing that actually makes a real difference). You would probably need to do something like they did in Ireland where they got the terrorists and victims in the same room so the people doing the killing can see the pain they cause others.0
