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All those hard done by public sector workers also saw their pensions grow by 10.1% this year, just like the pensioners.......0
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It'll be interesting to see if the Labour party thread generates the sort of posting frequency or levels of bile that this thread does during any future Labour administration.pangolin said:
Bizarre though it may seem to you, many people here will have no problem criticising a Labour government.Stevo_666 said:
What on earth will you post about if Labour win the next GE? You and few others on here might need to find a new hobbyrick_chasey said:Things the current govt can't stop.
1) "boats"
2) "trucks"
3) Burglaries
4) big and growing NHS waiting times
5) inflation (for now
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5) bike theft
6) decline in life expectancy
7) triple lock pensions
8) fiscal drag
9) muggings
Things they have stopped
1) real wage growth
2) building houses (though let's be honest, that is every MP, not just Tories)
3) catching crooks
etc etc etc
I think not, as when I criticise or take the p1ss out of Labour, quite frequently people on here who claim not to be Labour voters jump to its defence
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Maybe making herself scarce before the leftie scum get a chance to **** things up properly?orraloon said:Where is "Baroness" Michelle Mone-y Mone-y Mone-y these days? Off yachting about the Caribbean courtesy the £multimillion defective PPE mates contract? Holed up in Honduras? #toryscum
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
They'd have to behave as poorly as this shower, which seems unlikely.Stevo_666 said:
It'll be interesting to see if the Labour party thread generates the sort of posting frequency or levels of bile that this thread does during any future Labour administration.pangolin said:
Bizarre though it may seem to you, many people here will have no problem criticising a Labour government.Stevo_666 said:
What on earth will you post about if Labour win the next GE? You and few others on here might need to find a new hobbyrick_chasey said:Things the current govt can't stop.
1) "boats"
2) "trucks"
3) Burglaries
4) big and growing NHS waiting times
5) inflation (for now)
5) bike theft
6) decline in life expectancy
7) triple lock pensions
8) fiscal drag
9) muggings
Things they have stopped
1) real wage growth
2) building houses (though let's be honest, that is every MP, not just Tories)
3) catching crooks
etc etc etc
I think not, as when I criticise or take the p1ss out of Labour, quite frequently people on here who claim not to be Labour voters jump to its defence
I'm sure you'll make up any shortfall in criticism though, supported firmly by... shortfall.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Surely even you have to recognise that of all the Conservative governments since Thatcher, the current one is the worst by a country mile.Stevo_666 said:
It'll be interesting to see if the Labour party thread generates the sort of posting frequency or levels of bile that this thread does during any future Labour administration.pangolin said:
Bizarre though it may seem to you, many people here will have no problem criticising a Labour government.Stevo_666 said:
What on earth will you post about if Labour win the next GE? You and few others on here might need to find a new hobbyrick_chasey said:Things the current govt can't stop.
1) "boats"
2) "trucks"
3) Burglaries
4) big and growing NHS waiting times
5) inflation (for now)
5) bike theft
6) decline in life expectancy
7) triple lock pensions
8) fiscal drag
9) muggings
Things they have stopped
1) real wage growth
2) building houses (though let's be honest, that is every MP, not just Tories)
3) catching crooks
etc etc etc
I think not, as when I criticise or take the p1ss out of Labour, quite frequently people on here who claim not to be Labour voters jump to its defence
I actually think the coalition till 2015 was OK. I know it gets slated here for austerity, but there were things that it did that brought the country forward, like a significant raise in the tax threshold so many stopped paying, and legalisation of gay marriages.
But since the Brexit vote, the right wing loons have taken over pushing all the one nationers out. The remaining blue rosette wearers bear little relation to Tories of years gone by. There is no real plan & just bumble from incident to incident doing whatever will get the headlines in the Mail.
Labour, by contrast, have been moving in the opposite direction, sidelining or kicking out their nutters and seem laser focused on the prize.
I think the question of the remaining supporters is "Are you a Tory or are you Anti-Labour?". I think you are firmly in the latter camp. I've spoken to many who are the same, and the reasons are generally to do with the 70s, 3 day week, Militant (and most are old enough to remember the 70s). Fearful of "the natural Labour instincts".
The thing is... The current lot of Tories are breeding exactly the same sentiments against them for younger generations.1 -
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Well put. I voted Tory every GE from 1987 (aged 18) to 2017, albeit with increasing awareness that whilst I was reasonably aligned economically, I was naturally more liberal socially. I never really appreciated the basics of good government at this stage e.g. competent policy making process, honesty, integrity etc. It was just what governments of either hue did.super_davo said:
Surely even you have to recognise that of all the Conservative governments since Thatcher, the current one is the worst by a country mile.Stevo_666 said:
It'll be interesting to see if the Labour party thread generates the sort of posting frequency or levels of bile that this thread does during any future Labour administration.pangolin said:
Bizarre though it may seem to you, many people here will have no problem criticising a Labour government.Stevo_666 said:
What on earth will you post about if Labour win the next GE? You and few others on here might need to find a new hobbyrick_chasey said:Things the current govt can't stop.
1) "boats"
2) "trucks"
3) Burglaries
4) big and growing NHS waiting times
5) inflation (for now)
5) bike theft
6) decline in life expectancy
7) triple lock pensions
8) fiscal drag
9) muggings
Things they have stopped
1) real wage growth
2) building houses (though let's be honest, that is every MP, not just Tories)
3) catching crooks
etc etc etc
I think not, as when I criticise or take the p1ss out of Labour, quite frequently people on here who claim not to be Labour voters jump to its defence
I actually think the coalition till 2015 was OK. I know it gets slated here for austerity, but there were things that it did that brought the country forward, like a significant raise in the tax threshold so many stopped paying, and legalisation of gay marriages.
But since the Brexit vote, the right wing loons have taken over pushing all the one nationers out. The remaining blue rosette wearers bear little relation to Tories of years gone by. There is no real plan & just bumble from incident to incident doing whatever will get the headlines in the Mail.
Labour, by contrast, have been moving in the opposite direction, sidelining or kicking out their nutters and seem laser focused on the prize.
I think the question of the remaining supporters is "Are you a Tory or are you Anti-Labour?". I think you are firmly in the latter camp. I've spoken to many who are the same, and the reasons are generally to do with the 70s, 3 day week, Militant (and most are old enough to remember the 70s). Fearful of "the natural Labour instincts".
The thing is... The current lot of Tories are breeding exactly the same sentiments against them for younger generations.
The Coalition was an ideal blend for me, with a nice layer of "touchy-feely" added to Tory "tough love". It is a crying shame that in 2015, the core Lib Dem voter base put ideology over tuition fees (a molehill rather than a "hill on which to die") before pragmatism and abandoned Clegg, gifting the Tories an overall majority that led to the EU referendum.
I genuinely thought the world had gone mad as the Brexit shenanigans began in 2018 and I jumped ship for the Euro elections in 2019, as there's only so much lack of integrity and honesty that one can take. Thankfully this was before Boris became PM, so I can faithfully say I never supported a party that saw fit to promote that piece of sewage to the top job. The Boris era pushed me further away, with even less integrity on display, with added layers of administrative incompetence added to the mix.
I had low hopes for Truss, as she was clearly a lunatic, but even so, she failed to meet these. I had much higher hopes for Sunak, and though he has instilled a reasonable level of administrative competence and political reality (no unfunded tax cuts, no reneging on EU treaty) he is clearly in hock to the lunatic fringe and has the potential to do yet more damage to the UK before he gets the boot (hopefully) in the next GE.
At the moment, Labour offers the only option for voters that want a government that will put the interests of the country first, rather than doing things to generate favourable headlines for its core vote and/or to satisfy the narrow interests of its major supporters.
In the interests of balance, having lived through the chaos of traditional Labour government in the 70s I can understand why others who have also done this are reluctant to vote for Labour again. Whilst it was fun at the time as a primary school pupil (candles, regular school closures etc.) it was not a great time for the UK what with flying pickets etc.3 -
^Pretty much echoes my voting history and thoughts other than my first GE was 1992 (have never voted Labour so far though).0
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You guys voted for Michael Howard?2
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Some people voted for Corbyn.TheBigBean said:You guys voted for Michael Howard?
I distinctly remember thinking that it was the first sign of cognitive decline in my father, when he assessed that Corbyn had some good ideas.
In hindsight, that was much sooner - around the time he assessed that this young Ronaldo fella wasn't going to amount to anything.0 -
I did. It's a non-trivial step to jump ship if you're not a natural floating voter. And John Prescott was still Deputy PM in those days, which made it difficult for those of a natural right wing leaning to buy into the New Labour thing. Nothing with Prescott in a senior position could be "New"!TheBigBean said:You guys voted for Michael Howard?
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Every PM needs an attack dog. Takes the heat for saying the stuff that needs to be said but bounces back on you when it is said.wallace_and_gromit said:
I did. It's a non-trivial step to jump ship if you're not a natural floating voter. And John Prescott was still Deputy PM in those days, which made it difficult for those of a natural right wing leaning to buy into the New Labour thing. Nothing with Prescott in a senior position could be "New"!TheBigBean said:You guys voted for Michael Howard?
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I understand why he was there. His presence meant a vanishingly small chance I was ever going to vote for his party though.rick_chasey said:
Every PM needs an attack dog. Takes the heat for saying the stuff that needs to be said but bounces back on you when it is said.wallace_and_gromit said:
I did. It's a non-trivial step to jump ship if you're not a natural floating voter. And John Prescott was still Deputy PM in those days, which made it difficult for those of a natural right wing leaning to buy into the New Labour thing. Nothing with Prescott in a senior position could be "New"!TheBigBean said:You guys voted for Michael Howard?
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You have to admit that 'Two Jags' was good entertainment value though. Remember the time he chinned some bloke who threw an egg at him?wallace_and_gromit said:
I understand why he was there. His presence meant a vanishingly small chance I was ever going to vote for his party though.rick_chasey said:
Every PM needs an attack dog. Takes the heat for saying the stuff that needs to be said but bounces back on you when it is said.wallace_and_gromit said:
I did. It's a non-trivial step to jump ship if you're not a natural floating voter. And John Prescott was still Deputy PM in those days, which made it difficult for those of a natural right wing leaning to buy into the New Labour thing. Nothing with Prescott in a senior position could be "New"!TheBigBean said:You guys voted for Michael Howard?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
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I have some sympathy with him, but Prescott may not have shown totally statesman-like qualities by lamping the bloke. I mean, can you imagine King Charles decking that student who threw an egg at him a few months back?rick_chasey said:Don’t know anyone who didn’t side with Prescot on that one!
Decent jab too "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I think the response would have been generally positive!Stevo_666 said:
I have some sympathy with him, but Prescott may not have shown totally statesman-like qualities by lamping the bloke. I mean, can you imagine King Charles decking that student who threw an egg at him a few months back?rick_chasey said:Don’t know anyone who didn’t side with Prescot on that one!
Decent jab too
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With those hands he’d knock anyone out…!
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQzL_DR8pThnxDUu2j6NAyC-JCoN9nWESVf8pqfEvvfyg&s
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Prescott was a counter-balance to Blair, which helped the party in power. I don’t see any concept if counter-balance in this government.0
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I'm not convinced about the PR aspects of that.Pross said:
I think the response would have been generally positive!Stevo_666 said:
I have some sympathy with him, but Prescott may not have shown totally statesman-like qualities by lamping the bloke. I mean, can you imagine King Charles decking that student who threw an egg at him a few months back?rick_chasey said:Don’t know anyone who didn’t side with Prescot on that one!
Decent jab too"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
So you don't think that Lee Anderson acts as any sort of counterbalance to Rishi?secretsqirrel said:Prescott was a counter-balance to Blair, which helped the party in power. I don’t see any concept if counter-balance in this government.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Scrotes getting punched is popular. Students getting punched even more so.Stevo_666 said:
I'm not convinced about the PR aspects of that.Pross said:
I think the response would have been generally positive!Stevo_666 said:
I have some sympathy with him, but Prescott may not have shown totally statesman-like qualities by lamping the bloke. I mean, can you imagine King Charles decking that student who threw an egg at him a few months back?rick_chasey said:Don’t know anyone who didn’t side with Prescot on that one!
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Dorset_Boy said:
Nadine Dorries has finally quit:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66630308
Not quite sure how the Commons will survive this earthquake.0 -
She went full Nadine.
Never go full Nadine.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
This on the #toryscum home site:
https://conservativehome.com/2023/08/26/what-exactly-has-been-done-or-have-you-achieved-dorries-resigns-her-letter-to-sunak-in-full/
Eff me, is this for real? Or is it a Mark Steel Nadine Boris pastiche?
What a fxxked up country we live in.0 -
orraloon said:
This on the #toryscum home site:
https://conservativehome.com/2023/08/26/what-exactly-has-been-done-or-have-you-achieved-dorries-resigns-her-letter-to-sunak-in-full/
Eff me, is this for real? Or is it a Mark Steel Nadine Boris pastiche?
What a fxxked up country we live in.
That's quite a resignation letter. Perhaps she should have waited till the morning to sober up before sending it. If she sent it sober, then the only mystery is why Sunak didn't just remove the whip.
Oh, sorry, it's not a mystery - he's a hostage.0 -
The whole expectation of being given a place peerage purely because she was a Boris sycophant is bizarre. What has she actually done in her political career?0
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She's right about this.We cannot simply disregard the democratic choice of the electorate, remove both the Prime Minister and the manifesto commitments they voted for and then expect to return to the people in the hope that they will continue to unquestioningly support us.0
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4Kyi6G9l_CU&si=QSnquIyoRy4rw7li
