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tailwindhome

GB News/ National Conservative not even pretending anymore

kingstongraham

Is he seeing what he needs to do to finally get sacked?

First.Aspect

I am just wondering how many anti discrimination laws he's managed to break per word. It is a pretty good effort.

shirley_basso

Don't give them ideas...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-66545787

Stevo_666

pangolin said:

Stevo usually I think you are just enjoying winding people up but that is not working, we have had pages and pages of people patiently explaining how you are wrong.

You are in danger of people beginning to think you really believe this shite.

Talking of shite, let's hear your alternative solution.

First.Aspect

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo usually I think you are just enjoying winding people up but that is not working, we have had pages and pages of people patiently explaining how you are wrong.

You are in danger of people beginning to think you really believe this shite.

Talking of shite, let's hear your alternative solution.

See above. Several times.

briantrumpet

First.Aspect said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo usually I think you are just enjoying winding people up but that is not working, we have had pages and pages of people patiently explaining how you are wrong.

You are in danger of people beginning to think you really believe this shite.

Talking of shite, let's hear your alternative solution.

See above. Several times.

I think he's taking the cue from Sunak to repeat the same thing over and over again to hope that at some point it'll make sense.

rjsterry

First.Aspect said:

Stevo_666 said:

pangolin said:

Stevo usually I think you are just enjoying winding people up but that is not working, we have had pages and pages of people patiently explaining how you are wrong.

You are in danger of people beginning to think you really believe this shite.

Talking of shite, let's hear your alternative solution.

See above. Several times.

Think he's stuck in some sort of time loop.

rick_chasey

Yikes.

https://x.com/aydindikerdem/status/1693320968163201418?s=46&t=Q7O5dnx-0MXQv9qE3vz1vg

tailwindhome

We may not be stopping the boats after all

Exhausted government

Pross

I don’t think I’ll ever understand why they are so keen to shine a spotlight on something they are doing such a bad job of and that is very difficult to ‘solve’.

briantrumpet

Pross said:

I don’t think I’ll ever understand why they are so keen to shine a spotlight on something they are doing such a bad job of and that is very difficult to ‘solve’.

They've just convinced themselves it's something that the public will rally behind their prejudice if they keep on pushing it, without having thought it through: neither are the public that fussed about it (or at least not enough of the public), given the high numbers of the economic migrants coming here (aka people coming to fill vacancies post FOM), nor have they got any sort of cogent, pragmatic plan to deal with it. They've started with a slogan, thinking, in their incompetence, that that was a fully fledged policy. Think back to Johnson's 'Operation Moonshot' and the £100bn price tag mooted at the time. It's all in the same mindset.

pblakeney

Pross said:

I don’t think I’ll ever understand why they are so keen to shine a spotlight on something they are doing such a bad job of and that is very difficult to ‘solve’.

I think it's more that they did put a spotlight on it but now the press are banging them over the head with the spotlight for being so stupid in the first place.

rjsterry

tailwindhome said:

We may not be stopping the boats after all

Exhausted government

Lol. As if there was ever the slightest intention.

Jezyboy

I think Farage did a lot of work publicise the boat crossings initially. Maybe he's on some kind of retainer from people smugglers because numbers have only gone up since then.

Ultimately the government initially seem to have been forced to pay attention to the issue by Farage, they've then gone a little nuts around it. Rishi Sunak saying its a complex problem is some long awaited for honesty around the issue.

rick_chasey

pblakeney said:

Pross said:

I don’t think I’ll ever understand why they are so keen to shine a spotlight on something they are doing such a bad job of and that is very difficult to ‘solve’.

I think it's more that they did put a spotlight on it but now the press are banging them over the head with the spotlight for being so stupid in the first place.

Isn't it just an election tactic?

It's a rock to break Labour over. It's quite easy to paint anything that isn't "stop the boats" as "they're letting the hoards in".

What's the opposite of stop the boats?

wallace_and_gromit

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

Pross said:

I don’t think I’ll ever understand why they are so keen to shine a spotlight on something they are doing such a bad job of and that is very difficult to ‘solve’.

I think it's more that they did put a spotlight on it but now the press are banging them over the head with the spotlight for being so stupid in the first place.

Isn't it just an election tactic?

That's my reading of the tea leaves. The Tories are trying to goad Labour into launching some new "soft" policy (e.g. set up some "safe, legal routes") that will give the Tories a "big stick" come election time.

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

Pross said:

I don’t think I’ll ever understand why they are so keen to shine a spotlight on something they are doing such a bad job of and that is very difficult to ‘solve’.

I think it's more that they did put a spotlight on it but now the press are banging them over the head with the spotlight for being so stupid in the first place.

Isn't it just an election tactic?

It's a rock to break Labour over. It's quite easy to paint anything that isn't "stop the boats" as "they're letting the hoards in".

What's the opposite of stop the boats?

In that case I don't think it has been successful. Labour have not been in the headlines regarding refugees. One case where no publicity is good publicity.

First.Aspect

If labour said nothing between now and the election, they would still have a shot at winning. I'm not wildly enthusiastic about that, because it is always better to have something to vote for, rather than only against - and it isn't clear really what the current labour are really for.

Pross

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

Pross said:

I don’t think I’ll ever understand why they are so keen to shine a spotlight on something they are doing such a bad job of and that is very difficult to ‘solve’.

I think it's more that they did put a spotlight on it but now the press are banging them over the head with the spotlight for being so stupid in the first place.

Isn't it just an election tactic?

It's a rock to break Labour over. It's quite easy to paint anything that isn't "stop the boats" as "they're letting the hoards in".

What's the opposite of stop the boats?

Surely no-one is gullible enough to fall for that. Oh...

rick_chasey

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

Pross said:

I don’t think I’ll ever understand why they are so keen to shine a spotlight on something they are doing such a bad job of and that is very difficult to ‘solve’.

I think it's more that they did put a spotlight on it but now the press are banging them over the head with the spotlight for being so stupid in the first place.

Isn't it just an election tactic?

It's a rock to break Labour over. It's quite easy to paint anything that isn't "stop the boats" as "they're letting the hoards in".

What's the opposite of stop the boats?

In that case I don't think it has been successful. Labour have not been in the headlines regarding refugees. One case where no publicity is good publicity.

To borrow from the Ukraine war analysis, these are "shaping operations" for the election.

They're trying to make the election about Tory winnable issues (because they can't compete on track record), so immigration, and other culture wars, like trans people in toilets, etc.

The stuff that doesn't affect your life most of the time (because all the stuff that does they have a poor track record on) but gets people animated.

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

...
The stuff that doesn't affect your life most of the time (because all the stuff that does they have a poor track record on) but gets people animated.

I'm just going to say that some people spend much more time thinking about this stuff than others.
The undecided swing voters probably won't make up their mind till the last week so most politicking before then is irrelevant.

First.Aspect

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

Pross said:

I don’t think I’ll ever understand why they are so keen to shine a spotlight on something they are doing such a bad job of and that is very difficult to ‘solve’.

I think it's more that they did put a spotlight on it but now the press are banging them over the head with the spotlight for being so stupid in the first place.

Isn't it just an election tactic?

It's a rock to break Labour over. It's quite easy to paint anything that isn't "stop the boats" as "they're letting the hoards in".

What's the opposite of stop the boats?

In that case I don't think it has been successful. Labour have not been in the headlines regarding refugees. One case where no publicity is good publicity.

To borrow from the Ukraine war analysis, these are "shaping operations" for the election.

They're trying to make the election about Tory winnable issues (because they can't compete on track record), so immigration, and other culture wars, like trans people in toilets, etc.

The stuff that doesn't affect your life most of the time (because all the stuff that does they have a poor track record on) but gets people animated.

Which election, that's the question.

surrey_commuter

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

Pross said:

I don’t think I’ll ever understand why they are so keen to shine a spotlight on something they are doing such a bad job of and that is very difficult to ‘solve’.

I think it's more that they did put a spotlight on it but now the press are banging them over the head with the spotlight for being so stupid in the first place.

Isn't it just an election tactic?

It's a rock to break Labour over. It's quite easy to paint anything that isn't "stop the boats" as "they're letting the hoards in".

What's the opposite of stop the boats?

In that case I don't think it has been successful. Labour have not been in the headlines regarding refugees. One case where no publicity is good publicity.

To borrow from the Ukraine war analysis, these are "shaping operations" for the election.

They're trying to make the election about Tory winnable issues (because they can't compete on track record), so immigration, and other culture wars, like trans people in toilets, etc.

The stuff that doesn't affect your life most of the time (because all the stuff that does they have a poor track record on) but gets people animated.

Interesting analogy - I think if this had been Russia's great counter-offensive we would all have been laughing at how useless they were after 6 months of build up. One cause of particular mirth would have been Putin's propaganda machine referring to shaping operations.

In the same way the narrative that the Tories are rubbish/corrupt is so strong that anything they do well is ignored.

I don't think the Tories are trying to win the next election. I think they are trying to get their core vote out and minimise losses

rjsterry

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

Pross said:

I don’t think I’ll ever understand why they are so keen to shine a spotlight on something they are doing such a bad job of and that is very difficult to ‘solve’.

I think it's more that they did put a spotlight on it but now the press are banging them over the head with the spotlight for being so stupid in the first place.

Isn't it just an election tactic?

It's a rock to break Labour over. It's quite easy to paint anything that isn't "stop the boats" as "they're letting the hoards in".

What's the opposite of stop the boats?

In that case I don't think it has been successful. Labour have not been in the headlines regarding refugees. One case where no publicity is good publicity.

To borrow from the Ukraine war analysis, these are "shaping operations" for the election.

They're trying to make the election about Tory winnable issues (because they can't compete on track record), so immigration, and other culture wars, like trans people in toilets, etc.

The stuff that doesn't affect your life most of the time (because all the stuff that does they have a poor track record on) but gets people animated.

Interesting analogy - I think if this had been Russia's great counter-offensive we would all have been laughing at how useless they were after 6 months of build up. One cause of particular mirth would have been Putin's propaganda machine referring to shaping operations.

In the same way the narrative that the Tories are rubbish/corrupt is so strong that anything they do well is ignored.

I don't think the Tories are trying to win the next election. I think they are trying to get their core vote out and minimise losses

Half of them are retiring. They know they're cooked.

rick_chasey

Sure. They want as many seats as possible. However they come. Quite hard to get more seats than they have now.

Also, they need to work with what they have, which is a poor track record and probably the most culturally/socially right wing PM and cabinet the UK has had in living memory.

surrey_commuter

rick_chasey said:

Sure. They want as many seats as possible. However they come. Quite hard to get more seats than they have now.

Also, they need to work with what they have, which is a poor track record and probably the most culturally/socially right wing PM and cabinet the UK has had in living memory.

I disagree.

I always said that there is an inherent conflict in getting the south to pay for levelling up the north. My suggestion is that they will give up on the old red wall and focus on shoring up their own blue wall

rick_chasey

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

Sure. They want as many seats as possible. However they come. Quite hard to get more seats than they have now.

Also, they need to work with what they have, which is a poor track record and probably the most culturally/socially right wing PM and cabinet the UK has had in living memory.

I disagree.

I always said that there is an inherent conflict in getting the south to pay for levelling up the north. My suggestion is that they will give up on the old red wall and focus on shoring up their own blue wall

What evidence is there they are sending money up north?

rjsterry

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

Sure. They want as many seats as possible. However they come. Quite hard to get more seats than they have now.

Also, they need to work with what they have, which is a poor track record and probably the most culturally/socially right wing PM and cabinet the UK has had in living memory.

I disagree.

I always said that there is an inherent conflict in getting the south to pay for levelling up the north. My suggestion is that they will give up on the old red wall and focus on shoring up their own blue wall

I think they are conflicted as they have all but abandoned levelling up but are leaning in to the Express reader nonsense on the basis that they've got big enough majorities in the Home Counties to annoy some of their voters. I think they will come unstuck from both sides.

Jezyboy

When was the last time they mentioned levelling up?

And even when it was in the headlines, did any schemes actually make noticeable differences