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rick_chasey

What a state of affairs that the police just tacitly accept vigilante anti bike-theft work because they won't investigate it.

Why is this not more of a scandal.

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

What a state of affairs that the police just tacitly accept vigilante anti bike-theft work because they won't investigate it.

Why is this not more of a scandal.

I had a bike knicked in the mid-90s. The police weren't interested.
That's not news, vigilantes are though.

briantrumpet

rick_chasey said:

What a state of affairs that the police just tacitly accept vigilante anti bike-theft work because they won't investigate it.

Why is this not more of a scandal.

Because the Tories have flooded the zone with even worse shït, both metaphorical and real. It's genuinely hard to find anything from the last 13 years to give them credit for.

This goes more widely than the 'name a Brexit positive'... genuinely would be interested to hear what supporters think they've actually achieved before or after.

rick_chasey

Mad they just let crimes go uninvestigated.

briantrumpet

rick_chasey said:

Mad they just let crimes go uninvestigated.

Priorities, innit. They are too busy investigating Lords who swindled the taxpayers out of millions for faulty PPE, and ones who have close family ties to the KGB.

Oh, hang on, no, they are letting those go as well.

rick_chasey

I mean, they could just be funded sufficiently to investigate *all crimes*

Petty crimes add up to not so petty in aggregate, and there's a not unreasonable argument that if you don't let the petty stuff go, then the serious stuff is allowed to flourish.

Vigilantism is a sign the police are not doing enough

Pross

It's a bit of a stretch to call that vigilantism which implies an element of informal punishment. All he's doing is recovering stolen property.

rick_chasey

Pross said:

It's a bit of a stretch to call that vigilantism which implies an element of informal punishment. All he's doing is recovering stolen property.

AFAIK the police advice used to be not to confront thieves but ask the police to do it.

pangolin

I've had about 5 bikes stolen over the years and some of those were under Blair / Brown. Police not doing anything about bike theft is not a new phenomenon.

rick_chasey

pangolin said:

I've had about 5 bikes stolen over the years and some of those were under Blair / Brown. Police not doing anything about bike theft is not a new phenomenon.

In which case, it's fine. Let's just effectively legalise bike theft.

ps. I think you need to rethink how you're locking your bike up as 5 seems rather a lot!

pangolin

rick_chasey said:

pangolin said:

I've had about 5 bikes stolen over the years and some of those were under Blair / Brown. Police not doing anything about bike theft is not a new phenomenon.

In which case, it's fine. Let's just effectively legalise bike theft.

ps. I think you need to rethink how you're locking your bike up as 5 seems rather a lot!

This was years ago but at least 2 were D locks. I've pretty much stopped locking bikes up in town and just leave them in secured parking at work or rarely out of sight if at a cafe etc (still with a D lock).

edit- got me thinking

Marin Kentfield - stolen from a friends front garden (silly of me)
Marin Muirwood - stolen from town, owned it for about 3 days, locked with a cable lock the bike shop recommended (again silly, I was young and foolish)
Specialised Stumpjumper - stolen from town, locked with a D lock
GT Arrowhead - stolen from town, locked with a D lock and a cable lock
Charge Plug - lent to a friend and stolen, think he only locked it with a cable despite telling him not to, in fairness he paid me back

All between 2004 and 2014 in Kingston, which used to rank very highly on the bike theft charts (may still do, don't know)

rick_chasey

Are they just cutting through the d lock?

I have the advantage I don't look after my bikes well and only hobbits can ride them.

rjsterry

rick_chasey said:

I mean, they could just be funded sufficiently to investigate *all crimes*

Petty crimes add up to not so petty in aggregate, and there's a not unreasonable argument that if you don't let the petty stuff go, then the serious stuff is allowed to flourish.

Vigilantism is a sign the police are not doing enough

That costs money. Much easier to 'call for tougher sentences' - sounds like you are doing something without having to do anything.

Honestly, bike theft is a long way down the list of effectively decriminalised offences.

briantrumpet

Small Boats Week and NHS week really cutting through. For Labour.

I wonder what Tory catastrophe they'll pick on next to highlight. So many to choose from...

https://twitter.com/DeltapollUK/status/1694025320628728128

rick_chasey

I suspect it's less to do with the boats and just more and more people getting fed up with the fact nothing works anymore.

Any interaction with anything state run at this point is pretty much awful, with the honourable exception of the people who help you pay more tax in the HMRC call centre.

Stevo_666

pangolin said:

rick_chasey said:

pangolin said:

I've had about 5 bikes stolen over the years and some of those were under Blair / Brown. Police not doing anything about bike theft is not a new phenomenon.

In which case, it's fine. Let's just effectively legalise bike theft.

ps. I think you need to rethink how you're locking your bike up as 5 seems rather a lot!

This was years ago but at least 2 were D locks. I've pretty much stopped locking bikes up in town and just leave them in secured parking at work or rarely out of sight if at a cafe etc (still with a D lock).

edit- got me thinking

Marin Kentfield - stolen from a friends front garden (silly of me)
Marin Muirwood - stolen from town, owned it for about 3 days, locked with a cable lock the bike shop recommended (again silly, I was young and foolish)
Specialised Stumpjumper - stolen from town, locked with a D lock
GT Arrowhead - stolen from town, locked with a D lock and a cable lock
Charge Plug - lent to a friend and stolen, think he only locked it with a cable despite telling him not to, in fairness he paid me back

All between 2004 and 2014 in Kingston, which used to rank very highly on the bike theft charts (may still do, don't know)

Once is unlucky.
Twice is careless.

Five....

rick_chasey

Things the current govt can't stop.

1) "boats"
2) "trucks"
3) Burglaries
4) big and growing NHS waiting times
5) inflation (for now )
5) bike theft
6) decline in life expectancy
7) triple lock pensions
8) fiscal drag
9) muggings


Things they have stopped

1) real wage growth
2) building houses (though let's be honest, that is every MP, not just Tories)
3) catching crooks


etc etc etc

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

Things the current govt can't stop.

1) "boats"
2) "trucks"
3) Burglaries
4) big and growing NHS waiting times
5) inflation (for now )
5) bike theft
6) decline in life expectancy
7) triple lock pensions
8) fiscal drag
9) muggings


Things they have stopped

1) real wage growth
2) building houses (though let's be honest, that is every MP, not just Tories)
3) catching crooks


etc etc etc

What on earth will you post about if Labour win the next GE? You and few others on here might need to find a new hobby

pangolin

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Things the current govt can't stop.

1) "boats"
2) "trucks"
3) Burglaries
4) big and growing NHS waiting times
5) inflation (for now )
5) bike theft
6) decline in life expectancy
7) triple lock pensions
8) fiscal drag
9) muggings


Things they have stopped

1) real wage growth
2) building houses (though let's be honest, that is every MP, not just Tories)
3) catching crooks


etc etc etc

What on earth will you post about if Labour win the next GE? You and few others on here might need to find a new hobby

Bizarre though it may seem to you, many people here will have no problem criticising a Labour government.

kingstongraham

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Things the current govt can't stop.

1) "boats"
2) "trucks"
3) Burglaries
4) big and growing NHS waiting times
5) inflation (for now )
5) bike theft
6) decline in life expectancy
7) triple lock pensions
8) fiscal drag
9) muggings


Things they have stopped

1) real wage growth
2) building houses (though let's be honest, that is every MP, not just Tories)
3) catching crooks


etc etc etc

What on earth will you post about if Labour win the next GE? You and few others on here might need to find a new hobby

Bizarre though it may seem to you, many people here will have no problem criticising a Labour government.

Especially those of us who have never paid to be registered Labour party supporters.

pangolin

kingstongraham said:

pangolin said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Things the current govt can't stop.

1) "boats"
2) "trucks"
3) Burglaries
4) big and growing NHS waiting times
5) inflation (for now )
5) bike theft
6) decline in life expectancy
7) triple lock pensions
8) fiscal drag
9) muggings


Things they have stopped

1) real wage growth
2) building houses (though let's be honest, that is every MP, not just Tories)
3) catching crooks


etc etc etc

What on earth will you post about if Labour win the next GE? You and few others on here might need to find a new hobby

Bizarre though it may seem to you, many people here will have no problem criticising a Labour government.

Especially those of us who have never paid to be registered Labour party supporters.

Pross

rick_chasey said:

Things the current govt can't stop.

1) "boats"
2) "trucks"
3) Burglaries
4) big and growing NHS waiting times
5) inflation (for now )
5) bike theft
6) decline in life expectancy
7) triple lock pensions
8) fiscal drag
9) muggings


Things they have stopped

1) real wage growth
2) building houses (though let's be honest, that is every MP, not just Tories)
3) catching crooks


etc etc etc

Number 6 is probably a good thing though given NHS issues and pension funding!

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Things the current govt can't stop.

1) "boats"
2) "trucks"
3) Burglaries
4) big and growing NHS waiting times
5) inflation (for now )
5) bike theft
6) decline in life expectancy
7) triple lock pensions
8) fiscal drag
9) muggings


Things they have stopped

1) real wage growth
2) building houses (though let's be honest, that is every MP, not just Tories)
3) catching crooks


etc etc etc

What on earth will you post about if Labour win the next GE? You and few others on here might need to find a new hobby

It'll go something like:

Things the current govt can't stop.

1) "boats"
2) "trucks"
3) Burglaries
4) big and growing NHS waiting times
5) inflation (for now )
5) bike theft
6) decline in life expectancy
7) triple lock pensions...

TheBigBean

I thought Rick had done an opinion piece for the Telegraph " Baby boomers 'are not taxed enough'"

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/news/boomers-tax-pensions-wealth-divide-ifs//

But it's ok, despite the headline the Telegraph manages to conclude this actually means inheritance tax should be abolished.

rick_chasey

TheBigBean said:

I thought Rick had done an opinion piece for the Telegraph " Baby boomers 'are not taxed enough'"

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/news/boomers-tax-pensions-wealth-divide-ifs//

But it's ok, despite the headline the Telegraph manages to conclude this actually means inheritance tax should be abolished.

Well, since this is a sliver of an excuse to post the latest Bagehot column.

For others, rising interest rates are a boon. Almost three-quarters of pensioners own their home without a mortgage. For them, higher interest rates mean little but higher returns on cash savings. Inflation whittles away at their living standards, but the government has upped the state pension to compensate. Public-sector workers have to strike for pay rises that struggle to match inflation. Thanks to the triple lock, pensioners receive an inflation-linked bump automatically. Yet few pensioners accept that they are the lucky ones. There is a cost-of-living crisis, after all.

y

https://www.economist.com/britain/2023/08/23/britons-are-not-all-in-it-together-whatever-they-might-think

First.Aspect

Isn't there a bit of a logic issue there? that the people who are supposedly benefitting have houses and lots of savings, whereas their incomes are maintained via increases in the state pension.

Who are these hypothetical boomers with savings and property but who don't have other pensions?

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

TheBigBean said:

I thought Rick had done an opinion piece for the Telegraph " Baby boomers 'are not taxed enough'"

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/news/boomers-tax-pensions-wealth-divide-ifs//

But it's ok, despite the headline the Telegraph manages to conclude this actually means inheritance tax should be abolished.

Well, since this is a sliver of an excuse to post the latest Bagehot column.

For others, rising interest rates are a boon. Almost three-quarters of pensioners own their home without a mortgage. For them, higher interest rates mean little but higher returns on cash savings. Inflation whittles away at their living standards, but the government has upped the state pension to compensate. Public-sector workers have to strike for pay rises that struggle to match inflation. Thanks to the triple lock, pensioners receive an inflation-linked bump automatically. Yet few pensioners accept that they are the lucky ones. There is a cost-of-living crisis, after all.

y

https://www.economist.com/britain/2023/08/23/britons-are-not-all-in-it-together-whatever-they-might-think

Very droll.

surrey_commuter

rick_chasey said:

pangolin said:

I've had about 5 bikes stolen over the years and some of those were under Blair / Brown. Police not doing anything about bike theft is not a new phenomenon.

In which case, it's fine. Let's just effectively legalise bike theft.

ps. I think you need to rethink how you're locking your bike up as 5 seems rather a lot!

Theft without violence was decriminalised at least 20 years ago so definitely under Blair.

tailwindhome

Things they have stopped

1) real wage growth
2) building houses (though let's be honest, that is every MP, not just Tories)
3) catching crooks


etc etc etc

4 Ham sandwiches crossing the Irish Sea

5 Devolved Government in NI

orraloon

Where is "Baroness" Michelle Mone-y Mone-y Mone-y these days? Off yachting about the Caribbean courtesy the £multimillion defective PPE mates contract? Holed up in Honduras? #toryscum