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Was she actually trained to use it though? Not sure she did national service you see.wallace_and_gromit said:
How can you doubt her? She carried the sword on Coronation Day in a way that no-one had for 70 odd years.ddraver said:
You give her way too much credit...wallace_and_gromit said:I don't know if she's been misquoted or misrepresented.
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And did it looking like something out of a Dungeons and Dragons nerd's teenage dreamswallace_and_gromit said:
How can you doubt her? She carried the sword on Coronation Day in a way that no-one had for 70 odd years.ddraver said:
You give her way too much credit...wallace_and_gromit said:I don't know if she's been misquoted or misrepresented.
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National Service is surely for countries who have some reasonable expectation to want to draw on a draft to fill out the military in the event of a war; helps when everyone has already done 1-2 years of basic training and knows what end of a gun to hold?0
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I think it could be a good idea if it was done well. Like an Enrichment 6 months rather than just a week. However to do it well would require billions of pounds worth of investment, training, and proper payment of tens of thousands of people so it won't happen...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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It's not National Service when you actually look behind the headlines, it is just some community volunteering scheme along the lines of Cameron's 'Big Society'.rick_chasey said:National Service is surely for countries who have some reasonable expectation to want to draw on a draft to fill out the military in the event of a war; helps when everyone has already done 1-2 years of basic training and knows what end of a gun to hold?
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Meh. A question was asked and I gave an answer based on my experience. YMMV.Dorset_Boy said:
I didn't realise all trains from all over the country now only go to Kings Cross. No wonder Rick suffers delays and cancellations on his journeys.pblakeney said:
Train to Kings Cross, train to Heathrow. Very simple.Dorset_Boy said:
Have you ever tried getting to Heathrow by public transport from outside London?surrey_commuter said:
How many of them drive to Heathrow?Dorset_Boy said:
Strangely enough, there are quite a few people outside of the M25 with diesels registered before 2015, but then being a metropolitan you of course know better.....surrey_commuter said:
At least one of you is a sensible chap but these two posts show the collective madness that ULEZ has caused.rick_chasey said:
An obvious arbitrage opportunity for any budding car park entrepreneur.Dorset_Boy said:Picked up that Heathrow is now inside the ULEZ. That's going to impact a fair number of folks from outside London, and smacks somewhat of the stretch of road in Bristol that has conveniently been left in their LEZ to catch people out on the way to their airport.
Set up a car park just outside the ULEZ, with regular coaches to drop them off at the airport.
If that's not economical, then it's proof that the ULEZ cost isn't all that.
How many people travelling to Heathrow do you think will be impacted by this?
However: Petrol cars that meet the ULEZ standards are generally those first registered as new with the DVLA after 2005, although cars that meet the standards have been available since 2001. Diesel cars that meet the standards are generally those first registered with the DVLA as new after September 2015.
and they aren't being given a bung to change their car.
Plus £12 on the cost of a flight is insignificant.
Even then they could probably offset it against tax to boost their farming subsidies 😀
£12 on a £120 flight is not insignificant. and anyway, it would be £25 (2 x £12.50).
You have a choice of trains to the airport, expensive and fast, or cheap and slow.
Not to mention the premium that is charged if you go via a central London terminus.
Must be fun transporting a bike box or two across the London transport network!
Premium? I had plenty of time so took the slower train. Charge? £3.50.
PS - I had no trouble with a bike box on my travels.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I doubt that Penny has thought it through, but as I recall from my youth, the attraction to old folk back then was:rick_chasey said:National Service is surely for countries who have some reasonable expectation to want to draw on a draft to fill out the military in the event of a war; helps when everyone has already done 1-2 years of basic training and knows what end of a gun to hold?
a) They had done it (or at least the guys) and in their view it never did them any harm; and
b) 12 months of verbal abuse from a psychopathic NCO would stiffen the backbone of the feckless oiks that the younger generation of the time had apparently become0 -
Pross said:
I'm one of them but have to admit I don't see a huge amount of cars older than mine on the road these days in my neck of the woods. Even those in their late teens who have just passed their test seem to end up with virtually new cars. I feel like a failureDorset_Boy said:
Strangely enough, there are quite a few people outside of the M25 with diesels registered before 2015, but then being a metropolitan you of course know better.....surrey_commuter said:
At least one of you is a sensible chap but these two posts show the collective madness that ULEZ has caused.rick_chasey said:
An obvious arbitrage opportunity for any budding car park entrepreneur.Dorset_Boy said:Picked up that Heathrow is now inside the ULEZ. That's going to impact a fair number of folks from outside London, and smacks somewhat of the stretch of road in Bristol that has conveniently been left in their LEZ to catch people out on the way to their airport.
Set up a car park just outside the ULEZ, with regular coaches to drop them off at the airport.
If that's not economical, then it's proof that the ULEZ cost isn't all that.
How many people travelling to Heathrow do you think will be impacted by this?
However: Petrol cars that meet the ULEZ standards are generally those first registered as new with the DVLA after 2005, although cars that meet the standards have been available since 2001. Diesel cars that meet the standards are generally those first registered with the DVLA as new after September 2015.
and they aren't being given a bung to change their car.
I remember exactly that feeling parking in some stately home car park, then cheering myself up with the thought that mine was probably one of very few cars there that weren't owned by a finance company. And also wasn't a tank on wheels.
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Again, what she's talking about bears no resemblance to military National Service, it's a stupid name for some community volunteering.wallace_and_gromit said:
I doubt that Penny has thought it through, but as I recall from my youth, the attraction to old folk back then was:rick_chasey said:National Service is surely for countries who have some reasonable expectation to want to draw on a draft to fill out the military in the event of a war; helps when everyone has already done 1-2 years of basic training and knows what end of a gun to hold?
a) They had done it (or at least the guys) and in their view it never did them any harm; and
b) 12 months of verbal abuse from a psychopathic NCO would stiffen the backbone of the feckless oiks that the younger generation of the time had apparently become0 -
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Politician in misrepresentation and daft description shocker. Whatever next?Pross said:
Again, what she's talking about bears no resemblance to military National Service, it's a stupid name for some community volunteering.wallace_and_gromit said:
I doubt that Penny has thought it through, but as I recall from my youth, the attraction to old folk back then was:rick_chasey said:National Service is surely for countries who have some reasonable expectation to want to draw on a draft to fill out the military in the event of a war; helps when everyone has already done 1-2 years of basic training and knows what end of a gun to hold?
a) They had done it (or at least the guys) and in their view it never did them any harm; and
b) 12 months of verbal abuse from a psychopathic NCO would stiffen the backbone of the feckless oiks that the younger generation of the time had apparently become
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It's becoming a bit of a signature move by this government to wait until the last possible day before shutting schools.0
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Nonsense. They could have made the decision on Monday after everyone has dropped their children off.kingstongraham said:It's becoming a bit of a signature move by this government to wait until the last possible day before shutting schools.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Tbf, this could have happened at any point in the past 20+ years.kingstongraham said:It's becoming a bit of a signature move by this government to wait until the last possible day before shutting schools.
Everyone is just kicking the can down the road until the road is a dead end.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Note at no point does he say, "and here is how we're going to fix it."
Tony Benn said:
I expect that the House has heard of the little document, which is circulating, about the boat race between the NHS and a Japanese crew. Both sides tried hard to do well, but the Japanese won by a mile. The NHS was very discouraged and set up a consultancy. The consultancy came to the conclusion that the Japanese had eight people rowing and one steering, whereas the NHS had eight people steering and one rowing. The NHS appointed people to look at the problem and decided to reorganise the structure of the team so that there were three steering managers, three assistant steering managers and a director of steering services, and an incentive was offered to the rower to row harder. When the NHS lost a second race, it laid off the rower for poor performance and sold the boat. It gave the money it got from selling the boat to provide higher-than-average pay awards for the director of steering services.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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True, I'd forgotten exactly how batshit the covid decision making was.rjsterry said:
Nonsense. They could have made the decision on Monday after everyone has dropped their children off.kingstongraham said:It's becoming a bit of a signature move by this government to wait until the last possible day before shutting schools.
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Hilarious as that is, part of the NHS problem is the fact they've cut so many managers it's a disorganised mess because no-one is managing anything.ddraver said:Note at no point does he say, "and here is how we're going to fix it."
Tony Benn said:
I expect that the House has heard of the little document, which is circulating, about the boat race between the NHS and a Japanese crew. Both sides tried hard to do well, but the Japanese won by a mile. The NHS was very discouraged and set up a consultancy. The consultancy came to the conclusion that the Japanese had eight people rowing and one steering, whereas the NHS had eight people steering and one rowing. The NHS appointed people to look at the problem and decided to reorganise the structure of the team so that there were three steering managers, three assistant steering managers and a director of steering services, and an incentive was offered to the rower to row harder. When the NHS lost a second race, it laid off the rower for poor performance and sold the boat. It gave the money it got from selling the boat to provide higher-than-average pay awards for the director of steering services.0 -
Lol, you must be trolling given the Libs Nick Clegg's kick in the b0ll0cks to young people when he broke his promise regarding tuition fees.rick_chasey said:I do love how aggressively the Tories have abandoned young people.
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I questioned if I should 'anonymise' the quote a bit but thought it was better left unmodified. It is an almost perfect description of what he's saying there.
"We found a problem so we sent a letter to schools to investigate. Then we sent a team of surveyors to investigate again. Then we sent a team of consultants to compile those investigations into an investigation. No we can't publish that investigation yet"
He's literally using it as a boast. "we know more about our school buildings than any other country". At no point did they think to send some BLOODY BUILDERS IN TO FIX THE FLIPPING PROBLEM!!!!
(who would bet me a groat that the CEO of the surveryors and consultants won't be found to have made a chunky donation to the conservative party in the last few years....)We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Focus, relax, I'm not that into the LDs. I'm not some tribal LD man.focuszing723 said:
Lol, you must be trolling given the Libs Nick Clegg's kick in the b0ll0cks to young people when he broke his promise regarding tuition fees.rick_chasey said:I do love how aggressively the Tories have abandoned young people.
It was a coalition govt and the LDs gave up tuition fees (which tbh, aren't that unreasonable.) in return for tax breaks to lower income earners.
LDs are really poor at the moment and if it wasn't for poor alternatives I wouldn't be voting for them this time around.0 -
Oh, come on you used to help campaign for them didn't you. At least that's what you said. If you have changed your stance try being less biased and acknowled some of these issues ain't exactly easy to change overnight. Instead we get:rick_chasey said:
Focus, relax, I'm not that into the LDs. I'm not some tribal LD man.focuszing723 said:
Lol, you must be trolling given the Libs Nick Clegg's kick in the b0ll0cks to young people when he broke his promise regarding tuition fees.rick_chasey said:I do love how aggressively the Tories have abandoned young people.
It was a coalition govt and the LDs gave up tuition fees (which tbh, aren't that unreasonable.) in return for tax breaks to lower income earners.
LDs are really poor at the moment and if it wasn't for poor alternatives I wouldn't be voting for them this time around.
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Sure, but they're not what they used to be.focuszing723 said:
Oh, come on you used to help campaign for them didn't you. At least that's what you said. If you have changed your stance try being less biased and acknowled some of these issues ain't exactly easy to change overnight. Instead we get:rick_chasey said:
Focus, relax, I'm not that into the LDs. I'm not some tribal LD man.focuszing723 said:
Lol, you must be trolling given the Libs Nick Clegg's kick in the b0ll0cks to young people when he broke his promise regarding tuition fees.rick_chasey said:I do love how aggressively the Tories have abandoned young people.
It was a coalition govt and the LDs gave up tuition fees (which tbh, aren't that unreasonable.) in return for tax breaks to lower income earners.
LDs are really poor at the moment and if it wasn't for poor alternatives I wouldn't be voting for them this time around.
"TORY'S HATE THE YOUTH"
But I stand by comment on the Tories. It's not untrue, regardless of what LDs do (which isn't very much, beyond blocking any development locally).0 -
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I really don't think you'd see any change regardless. I've said it before the Tory's couldn't have been more left wing during COVID, what half a trillion quid? (yep, yep, some of them had their snout in the trough).rick_chasey said:
Sure, but they're not what they used to be.focuszing723 said:
Oh, come on you used to help campaign for them didn't you. At least that's what you said. If you have changed your stance try being less biased and acknowled some of these issues ain't exactly easy to change overnight. Instead we get:rick_chasey said:
Focus, relax, I'm not that into the LDs. I'm not some tribal LD man.focuszing723 said:
Lol, you must be trolling given the Libs Nick Clegg's kick in the b0ll0cks to young people when he broke his promise regarding tuition fees.rick_chasey said:I do love how aggressively the Tories have abandoned young people.
It was a coalition govt and the LDs gave up tuition fees (which tbh, aren't that unreasonable.) in return for tax breaks to lower income earners.
LDs are really poor at the moment and if it wasn't for poor alternatives I wouldn't be voting for them this time around.
"TORY'S HATE THE YOUTH"
But I stand by comment on the Tories. It's not untrue, regardless of what LDs do (which isn't very much, beyond blocking any development locally).
You can't endlessly spend money and infrastructure decays. Look at the United States with the condition of their roads.0 -
I’m flying back to the USA today, and as an infrastructure aficionado, it’s nice to be going home, but I’m dreading the disappointment. I just spent two weeks in Singapore and Thailand; last year I spent time in Hong Kong and Shenzhen; and compared to modern Asia, so much American infrastructure is now so contemptible that it’s hard not to wince when I see it.https://techcrunch.com/2019/02/03/the-infrastructural-humiliation-of-america/?guccounter=1
The USA is nine times wealthier than Thailand, per capita, but I’d far rather ride Bangkok’s SkyTrain than deal with NYC’s subway nowadays. I’d much prefer to fly into Don Muang, Bangkok’s ancient second-tier airport — which was actually closed for years, before being reopened to handle domestic flights and low-cost airlines — than the hostile nightmare that is LAX. And those are America’s two primary gateway cities!0 -
I'm still not sure that kicking Clegg in the b*llocks by voting against the LDs in the 2015 GE was necessarily the best thing LD supporters could have done to promote their favoured causes (which I assume are liberalism and democracy) in the long term given that it gifted the Tories a majority and ushered in the Brexit fiasco. Hopefully well-intentioned voters will be a little more realistic at future elections. Though 2019 was not a good start.focuszing723 said:1 -
That was a stupid logo, because their ain't no money tree.
We need a stronger military now, spend more on a stretched NHS, Our infrastructure needs maintenance/improvement, train our youth to keep up with modern economies...
It's an untenable bottomless pit. Which is more important?0 -
But we were assured that as we had our own currency we could keep buying our own debt. Maybe we should ask on the other thread why QE stopped?focuszing723 said:
That was a stupid logo, because their ain't no money tree.
We need a stronger military now, spend more on a stretched NHS, Our infrastructure needs maintenance/improvement, train our youth to keep up with modern economies...
It's an untenable bottomless pit. Which is more important?0
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