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God this is a tedious debate- Genesis Croix de Fer
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People trafficking was illegal last time I looked.First.Aspect said:
Is claiming asylum a criminal activity?Stevo_666 said:
Because its illegal and its costing us a lot of money as mentioned upthread? Are you suggesting we turn a blind eye to criminal activity?rjsterry said:
Well yes. It's not illegal to come to the UK to claim asylum, so who do you mean? People who overstay their visa? Why is it too many when it's a small percentage of overall immigration?Stevo_666 said:
Too many people coming to the UK illegally. Do I really need to spell it out?rjsterry said:
You need to articulate the problem. What is *the problem* that you think needs solving?Stevo_666 said:
More than one poster has said that we are signed up to treaties that we have to honour by taking asylum seekers in and that we should make it easier for people to apply for asylum. Read between the lines and that is effectively saying 'come on in'.Jezyboy said:
It's very on brand for the party of personal responsibility to try and wipe our hands of it though.pblakeney said:Maybe if we hadn't contributed just so much to make some places in the world so shitty than this wouldn't be happening.
So what other solutions do you suggest?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
See my post above.rjsterry said:
Not sure why you keep repeating something that you know isn't true.Stevo_666 said:
Because its illegal and its costing us a lot of money as mentioned upthread? Are you suggesting we turn a blind eye to criminal activity?rjsterry said:
Well yes. It's not illegal to come to the UK to claim asylum, so who do you mean? People who overstay their visa? Why is it too many when it's a small percentage of overall immigration?Stevo_666 said:
Too many people coming to the UK illegally. Do I really need to spell it out?rjsterry said:
You need to articulate the problem. What is *the problem* that you think needs solving?Stevo_666 said:
More than one poster has said that we are signed up to treaties that we have to honour by taking asylum seekers in and that we should make it easier for people to apply for asylum. Read between the lines and that is effectively saying 'come on in'.Jezyboy said:
It's very on brand for the party of personal responsibility to try and wipe our hands of it though.pblakeney said:Maybe if we hadn't contributed just so much to make some places in the world so shitty than this wouldn't be happening.
So what other solutions do you suggest?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
People trafficking was illegal last time I looked.First.Aspect said:
Is claiming asylum a criminal activity?Stevo_666 said:
Because its illegal and its costing us a lot of money as mentioned upthread? Are you suggesting we turn a blind eye to criminal activity?rjsterry said:
Well yes. It's not illegal to come to the UK to claim asylum, so who do you mean? People who overstay their visa? Why is it too many when it's a small percentage of overall immigration?Stevo_666 said:
Too many people coming to the UK illegally. Do I really need to spell it out?rjsterry said:
You need to articulate the problem. What is *the problem* that you think needs solving?Stevo_666 said:
More than one poster has said that we are signed up to treaties that we have to honour by taking asylum seekers in and that we should make it easier for people to apply for asylum. Read between the lines and that is effectively saying 'come on in'.Jezyboy said:
It's very on brand for the party of personal responsibility to try and wipe our hands of it though.pblakeney said:Maybe if we hadn't contributed just so much to make some places in the world so shitty than this wouldn't be happening.
So what other solutions do you suggest?
Two different things, as you know. The government are targeting the victims, not the criminals.0 -
Is being trafficked illegal?Stevo_666 said:
People trafficking was illegal last time I looked.First.Aspect said:
Is claiming asylum a criminal activity?Stevo_666 said:
Because its illegal and its costing us a lot of money as mentioned upthread? Are you suggesting we turn a blind eye to criminal activity?rjsterry said:
Well yes. It's not illegal to come to the UK to claim asylum, so who do you mean? People who overstay their visa? Why is it too many when it's a small percentage of overall immigration?Stevo_666 said:
Too many people coming to the UK illegally. Do I really need to spell it out?rjsterry said:
You need to articulate the problem. What is *the problem* that you think needs solving?Stevo_666 said:
More than one poster has said that we are signed up to treaties that we have to honour by taking asylum seekers in and that we should make it easier for people to apply for asylum. Read between the lines and that is effectively saying 'come on in'.Jezyboy said:
It's very on brand for the party of personal responsibility to try and wipe our hands of it though.pblakeney said:Maybe if we hadn't contributed just so much to make some places in the world so shitty than this wouldn't be happening.
So what other solutions do you suggest?
The point I'm making is that the govt is punishing the victims. The policy direction is a bit like restricting hospital treatment for stab victims because carrying a knife is illegal.1 -
Beat me to it.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
People trafficking was illegal last time I looked.First.Aspect said:
Is claiming asylum a criminal activity?Stevo_666 said:
Because its illegal and its costing us a lot of money as mentioned upthread? Are you suggesting we turn a blind eye to criminal activity?rjsterry said:
Well yes. It's not illegal to come to the UK to claim asylum, so who do you mean? People who overstay their visa? Why is it too many when it's a small percentage of overall immigration?Stevo_666 said:
Too many people coming to the UK illegally. Do I really need to spell it out?rjsterry said:
You need to articulate the problem. What is *the problem* that you think needs solving?Stevo_666 said:
More than one poster has said that we are signed up to treaties that we have to honour by taking asylum seekers in and that we should make it easier for people to apply for asylum. Read between the lines and that is effectively saying 'come on in'.Jezyboy said:
It's very on brand for the party of personal responsibility to try and wipe our hands of it though.pblakeney said:Maybe if we hadn't contributed just so much to make some places in the world so shitty than this wouldn't be happening.
So what other solutions do you suggest?
Two different things, as you know. The government are targeting the victims, not the criminals.0 -
Nice side step. Agree that the people organising the boats aren't the sort of people we should be encouraging. See my various posts above on how government policy has created the market for the traffickers. If they were actually interested in tackling the trafficking gangs they would have changed this policy. They haven't, which tells you they're not serious.Stevo_666 said:
See my post above.rjsterry said:
Not sure why you keep repeating something that you know isn't true.Stevo_666 said:
Because its illegal and its costing us a lot of money as mentioned upthread? Are you suggesting we turn a blind eye to criminal activity?rjsterry said:
Well yes. It's not illegal to come to the UK to claim asylum, so who do you mean? People who overstay their visa? Why is it too many when it's a small percentage of overall immigration?Stevo_666 said:
Too many people coming to the UK illegally. Do I really need to spell it out?rjsterry said:
You need to articulate the problem. What is *the problem* that you think needs solving?Stevo_666 said:
More than one poster has said that we are signed up to treaties that we have to honour by taking asylum seekers in and that we should make it easier for people to apply for asylum. Read between the lines and that is effectively saying 'come on in'.Jezyboy said:
It's very on brand for the party of personal responsibility to try and wipe our hands of it though.pblakeney said:Maybe if we hadn't contributed just so much to make some places in the world so shitty than this wouldn't be happening.
So what other solutions do you suggest?
Similarly, renting a barge does nothing to address trafficking, nor does it make a serious contribution to the temporary accommodation problem.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I like your thinkingFirst.Aspect said:
Is being trafficked illegal?Stevo_666 said:
People trafficking was illegal last time I looked.First.Aspect said:
Is claiming asylum a criminal activity?Stevo_666 said:
Because its illegal and its costing us a lot of money as mentioned upthread? Are you suggesting we turn a blind eye to criminal activity?rjsterry said:
Well yes. It's not illegal to come to the UK to claim asylum, so who do you mean? People who overstay their visa? Why is it too many when it's a small percentage of overall immigration?Stevo_666 said:
Too many people coming to the UK illegally. Do I really need to spell it out?rjsterry said:
You need to articulate the problem. What is *the problem* that you think needs solving?Stevo_666 said:
More than one poster has said that we are signed up to treaties that we have to honour by taking asylum seekers in and that we should make it easier for people to apply for asylum. Read between the lines and that is effectively saying 'come on in'.Jezyboy said:
It's very on brand for the party of personal responsibility to try and wipe our hands of it though.pblakeney said:Maybe if we hadn't contributed just so much to make some places in the world so shitty than this wouldn't be happening.
So what other solutions do you suggest?
The point I'm making is that the govt is punishing the victims. The policy direction is a bit like restricting hospital treatment for stab victims because carrying a knife is illegal.0 -
Taxi caught speeding? Fine the passenger.
Etc.
This whole asylum thing is right vs wrong, not right vs left.0 -
If we needed any more proof that Braverman's goal is cruelty at the expense of the welfare of those waiting to be processed, and at the expense of taxpayers (and, I'd cynically suspect, to boost profits of Tory donors):The UNHCR’s evaluation of the Home Office-funded pilot is expected to praise the Bedfordshire scheme because it was “more humane” and treated refugees and migrants with civility. Critics say it is this aspect that has seen the scheme effectively abandoned by the Home Office, whose bill gives the home secretary a legal duty to detain and remove anyone deemed to be entering the UK illegally.
Keeping cynic's hat on, Braverman wants to
- Create this whole new class of law-breaking that targets the most vulnerable
- Make it as expensive as possible
- Make it as inhumane as possible
- Blame everything on the migrants
So she has to ignore all pragmatic solutions that don't fit those criteria. She's a ghoul.0 -
What I don't get is what is driving this. Did I miss a shift in British public sentiment towards far right xenophobia?
Oh, wait, Brexit, yeah sorry.0 -
I couldn’t see details of the Bedford scheme but if it provides housing to asylum seekers it is going to struggle for popularity when there are so many in the country waiting on social housing. It is possibly one of the things that turns people against accepting immigrants/ refugees if they are seen to be getting priority on limited resources (often with a bit of rabble rousing from those who don’t like foreigners).0
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I'm still to see anyone put forward an alternative approach apart from the rather predictable 'let them all in'."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
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Stevo usually I think you are just enjoying winding people up but that is not working, we have had pages and pages of people patiently explaining how you are wrong.
You are in danger of people beginning to think you really believe this shite.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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pangolin said:
Stevo usually I think you are just enjoying winding people up but that is not working, we have had pages and pages of people patiently explaining how you are wrong.
You are in danger of people beginning to think you really believe this shite.
I think Stevo's relationship with the Telegraph is like Trump's with Newsmax: you can work out what Newsmax has been featuring by what Trump starts blathering on about on 'Truth Social'.
I'm kinda hoping that the Telegraph will pivot to realising that Brexit really is a big fvck-up and starts suggesting that we ought to rejoin, at which point Stevo will tell us that his vote for Remain was a wise one.0 -
You haven't seen anyone say that eitherStevo_666 said:I'm still to see anyone put forward an alternative approach apart from the rather predictable 'let them all in'.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I've seen quite a few people suggest processing could be quicker. Because that's how you'd actually get people out of the country. It's the very opposite of let them all in (and put them in hotels indefinitely) which is the current Tory policy.0
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There’s a reason the Dutch govt sold it
(Not long before the govt collapsed over a disagreement on how to treat asylum seekers)0 -
Catched up listening to some More or Less: Behind the Stats podcasts today, inc one on (im)migration.
Net immigration to the UK last year 606,000. But that number excludes the 49,000 small boats and others asylum seekers.
Didn't the #toryscum manifesto 'pledge' aka attract the gammons to vote for them more than a decade ago posit reduction to 10s of thousands per year? Going well there, as expected.
Nah ignore all that, just trumpet another 3 word (coz that's as much as the gammonati can follow) slogan, S T B.0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
orraloon said:
Catched up listening to some More or Less: Behind the Stats podcasts today, inc one on (im)migration.
Net immigration to the UK last year 606,000. But that number excludes the 49,000 small boats and others asylum seekers.
Didn't the #toryscum manifesto 'pledge' aka attract the gammons to vote for them more than a decade ago posit reduction to 10s of thousands per year? Going well there, as expected.
Nah ignore all that, just trumpet another 3 word (coz that's as much as the gammonati can follow) slogan, S T B.
They'd have tried Build The Wall if they'd thought people wouldn't have realised a big bit of water would make that tricky.0 -
Well Sunak is trying to own the drop in inflation, so why not take credit for #buildamoat ?briantrumpet said:orraloon said:Catched up listening to some More or Less: Behind the Stats podcasts today, inc one on (im)migration.
Net immigration to the UK last year 606,000. But that number excludes the 49,000 small boats and others asylum seekers.
Didn't the #toryscum manifesto 'pledge' aka attract the gammons to vote for them more than a decade ago posit reduction to 10s of thousands per year? Going well there, as expected.
Nah ignore all that, just trumpet another 3 word (coz that's as much as the gammonati can follow) slogan, S T B.
They'd have tried Build The Wall if they'd thought people wouldn't have realised a big bit of water would make that tricky.
I mean it's there already and isn't working, but those are just facts.0 -
Although I know you are not serious I did ponder if that suggestion would be made.briantrumpet said:orraloon said:Catched up listening to some More or Less: Behind the Stats podcasts today, inc one on (im)migration.
Net immigration to the UK last year 606,000. But that number excludes the 49,000 small boats and others asylum seekers.
Didn't the #toryscum manifesto 'pledge' aka attract the gammons to vote for them more than a decade ago posit reduction to 10s of thousands per year? Going well there, as expected.
Nah ignore all that, just trumpet another 3 word (coz that's as much as the gammonati can follow) slogan, S T B.
They'd have tried Build The Wall if they'd thought people wouldn't have realised a big bit of water would make that tricky.
Then I knew different cos apparently our Navy rules the waves and will stop all incomers.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It's those Frenchies taking revenge on the UK by not building a wall along their entire Channel coast. Bastards.0
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Silly English kniggits.0
