LEAVE the Conservative Party and save your country!

sungod

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

Bit sad, isn't it?

Well people keep voting in leaders who say things like “if you are a citizen of the world you’re a citizen of nowhere” and “f@ck business” and “we want to deter people coming here” so Britain’s just getting what Britain deserves.

Sounds like you're building up to a plea for lower taxes and less regulation.

So who’s gonna deliver that?!

So you think that's the solution and its a question of who can deliver it? Now we're getting somewhere, Young Jedi

obviously not the tory party, in 13 years they'e given us...
old boy network enriched
house of lords bloated via the cash for honours scheme
rampant corruption
infrastructure degraded/collapsed
citizens' rights stripped
economy damaged
military enfeebled
tax burden highest in decades
inflation supercharged by truss/kwarteng
farmers screwed
sh​it in the rivers/seas
and so much more

funny thing is, the brexiters whined about immigration, their reward is that's at an all time high, though whether the positive effects will balance the emigration of entrepreneurs, the wealthy and high-value jobs to other countries is another matter

it'd be interesting to see how much more damage the tory party can do to the country

time to kill the rigged an corrupt fptp system, and the equally corrupt nonsense of the house of lords, introduce representative and accountable government, i.e. lie in public office, go straight to jail

skyblueamateur

It is definitely now time for PR. The FPTP system is broken.

skyblueamateur

The shambles that the Tories and Labour have been over the last 10 years only reinforces this.

Stevo_666

sungod said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

Bit sad, isn't it?

Well people keep voting in leaders who say things like “if you are a citizen of the world you’re a citizen of nowhere” and “f@ck business” and “we want to deter people coming here” so Britain’s just getting what Britain deserves.

Sounds like you're building up to a plea for lower taxes and less regulation.

So who’s gonna deliver that?!

So you think that's the solution and its a question of who can deliver it? Now we're getting somewhere, Young Jedi

obviously not the tory party, in 13 years they'e given us...
old boy network enriched
house of lords bloated via the cash for honours scheme
rampant corruption
infrastructure degraded/collapsed
citizens' rights stripped
economy damaged
military enfeebled
tax burden highest in decades
inflation supercharged by truss/kwarteng
farmers screwed
sh​it in the rivers/seas
and so much more

funny thing is, the brexiters whined about immigration, their reward is that's at an all time high, though whether the positive effects will balance the emigration of entrepreneurs, the wealthy and high-value jobs to other countries is another matter

it'd be interesting to see how much more damage the tory party can do to the country

time to kill the rigged an corrupt fptp system, and the equally corrupt nonsense of the house of lords, introduce representative and accountable government, i.e. lie in public office, go straight to jail

Missing my point completely. I'm interested in Ricks apparent conversion to low tax and low regulation.

bikes_and_dogs

pblakeney said:

bikes_and_dogs said:

The day that Sir Keir Starmer stands on a world stage and represents this country as the best we've got will be a sad day. Almost as sad as paying homage to cuckolding Queen Camilla.

Thick Lizzie wasn't enough?

Point taken. They're all pretty much a bunch of dorks. But why do the Labour Party insist on choosing bland or weird leaders that are incapable of holding the Tories to account - Milliband/Corbyn/Starmer?

pblakeney

bikes_and_dogs said:

pblakeney said:

bikes_and_dogs said:

The day that Sir Keir Starmer stands on a world stage and represents this country as the best we've got will be a sad day. Almost as sad as paying homage to cuckolding Queen Camilla.

Thick Lizzie wasn't enough?

Point taken. They're all pretty much a bunch of dorks. But why do the Labour Party insist on choosing bland or weird leaders that are incapable of holding the Tories to account - Milliband/Corbyn/Starmer?

Rishi?
That said, bland is an improvement over what we've had for a few years.

Pross

pblakeney said:

bikes_and_dogs said:

The day that Sir Keir Starmer stands on a world stage and represents this country as the best we've got will be a sad day. Almost as sad as paying homage to cuckolding Queen Camilla.

Thick Lizzie wasn't enough?

Or Boris who would turn up looking like he’d slept in a hedge after a heavy night before giving some incoherent waffle interspersed with a bit of Latin?

Starmer at least looks and sounds presentable.

Pross

ddraver said:

Completely agree with this...

https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1654913692448718848?t=4qi00RcnLEH991-jOm415g&s=19

Didn’t realise it was her, thought it may have been a minor cast member from Game Of Thrones.

bikes_and_dogs

Pross said:

pblakeney said:

bikes_and_dogs said:

The day that Sir Keir Starmer stands on a world stage and represents this country as the best we've got will be a sad day. Almost as sad as paying homage to cuckolding Queen Camilla.

Thick Lizzie wasn't enough?

Or Boris who would turn up looking like he’d slept in a hedge after a heavy night before giving some incoherent waffle interspersed with a bit of Latin?

Starmer at least looks and sounds presentable.

I refer the poster to my previous point - is that the best we've got?
My dork's better than yours is a pretty low bar.

Pross

bikes_and_dogs said:

Pross said:

pblakeney said:

bikes_and_dogs said:

The day that Sir Keir Starmer stands on a world stage and represents this country as the best we've got will be a sad day. Almost as sad as paying homage to cuckolding Queen Camilla.

Thick Lizzie wasn't enough?

Or Boris who would turn up looking like he’d slept in a hedge after a heavy night before giving some incoherent waffle interspersed with a bit of Latin?

Starmer at least looks and sounds presentable.

I refer the poster to my previous point - is that the best we've got?

Bland and boring is what I want in politicians. Politics should be bland and boring. For too long we’ve had politicians who want to be celebrities.

rick_chasey

Stevo_666 said:

sungod said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

Bit sad, isn't it?

Well people keep voting in leaders who say things like “if you are a citizen of the world you’re a citizen of nowhere” and “f@ck business” and “we want to deter people coming here” so Britain’s just getting what Britain deserves.

Sounds like you're building up to a plea for lower taxes and less regulation.

So who’s gonna deliver that?!

So you think that's the solution and its a question of who can deliver it? Now we're getting somewhere, Young Jedi

obviously not the tory party, in 13 years they'e given us...
old boy network enriched
house of lords bloated via the cash for honours scheme
rampant corruption
infrastructure degraded/collapsed
citizens' rights stripped
economy damaged
military enfeebled
tax burden highest in decades
inflation supercharged by truss/kwarteng
farmers screwed
sh​it in the rivers/seas
and so much more

funny thing is, the brexiters whined about immigration, their reward is that's at an all time high, though whether the positive effects will balance the emigration of entrepreneurs, the wealthy and high-value jobs to other countries is another matter

it'd be interesting to see how much more damage the tory party can do to the country

time to kill the rigged an corrupt fptp system, and the equally corrupt nonsense of the house of lords, introduce representative and accountable government, i.e. lie in public office, go straight to jail

Missing my point completely. I'm interested in Ricks apparent conversion to low tax amd low regulation.

I’m just interested in value for money so if I’m gonna be taxed up to the eyeballs I want sh!t to work and not have to hope that the ambulance will turn up as soon as they should when I have a heart attack.

I do also think all the Brexit stuff has had a big opportunity cost on improving regulation on emerging industries etc.

I think that revolut point is a good example of that. The rest of the world has moved on regarding regulation but Britain has spent the last half decade naval gazing at Brexit stuff.

pblakeney

bikes_and_dogs said:

Pross said:

pblakeney said:

bikes_and_dogs said:

The day that Sir Keir Starmer stands on a world stage and represents this country as the best we've got will be a sad day. Almost as sad as paying homage to cuckolding Queen Camilla.

Thick Lizzie wasn't enough?

Or Boris who would turn up looking like he’d slept in a hedge after a heavy night before giving some incoherent waffle interspersed with a bit of Latin?

Starmer at least looks and sounds presentable.

I refer the poster to my previous point - is that the best we've got?
My dork's better than yours is a pretty low bar.

Now you're singing from my hymn sheet.
I refer the poster to my previous point - Bland is an improvement from the very low bar.

briantrumpet

I suppose it ought to go onto the Labour thread that Robin Cook, David Miliband or Andy Burnham might have been more engaging choices at the relevant times, though I think Cook might have been the epitome of dour, even if his intellect was sharp. Mind you, Gordon Brown was dour, more so than John Smith, if I'm referencing the Scots.

Virtually any of the previous generation of Tories would have been been better than the current crowd, though looking through lists of Home Secs, Chanc of Excheqs and Foreign Secs leaves me somewhat uninspired, though Jeremy Hunt (still time), William Hague, and Douglas Hurd wouldn't have been disasters. I think Hague was probably the most interesting and engaging.

pinno

briantrumpet said:

pinno said:

Is there many cons left?

The Tory Party has turned into UKIP, with a similar level of intellect and morals, so it's no wonder the UKIP party itself has been consigned to history with this election.

The b@stards and the landed gentry and the elite will rise again, don't worry.
They understand and know duplicity. It's imprinted (and impregnated) in them from a very young age in private boarding schools so that they are primed to stand in front of a camera and play politics and spout lip service.

slowmart

Every nation gets the government it deserves. Joseph de Maistre (1 April 1753 – 26 February 1821)

Suck it up folks, politicians lie like breathing.

Tories will be wiped out at the next general election which will purge the party of a few swivel eyed right wing loonies but they’ll still be at least two Parliaments away before Labour screw the pooch again and they taste power again.

I wonder how long before the calls to rejoin the EU start to make traction with the electorate?

surrey_commuter

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

morstar

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

A worrying but plausible take.

And in all fairness, much as we may deride the loony MP fringes with not representing the typical conservative voter, I think the looney MP's do quite accurately represent the party membership.

Jezyboy

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

Natural optimism?!

Stevo_666

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

If a Labour win is as nailed on as some people claim, then the looney left is what we should be concerned about.

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

sungod said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

Bit sad, isn't it?

Well people keep voting in leaders who say things like “if you are a citizen of the world you’re a citizen of nowhere” and “f@ck business” and “we want to deter people coming here” so Britain’s just getting what Britain deserves.

Sounds like you're building up to a plea for lower taxes and less regulation.

So who’s gonna deliver that?!

So you think that's the solution and its a question of who can deliver it? Now we're getting somewhere, Young Jedi

obviously not the tory party, in 13 years they'e given us...
old boy network enriched
house of lords bloated via the cash for honours scheme
rampant corruption
infrastructure degraded/collapsed
citizens' rights stripped
economy damaged
military enfeebled
tax burden highest in decades
inflation supercharged by truss/kwarteng
farmers screwed
sh​it in the rivers/seas
and so much more

funny thing is, the brexiters whined about immigration, their reward is that's at an all time high, though whether the positive effects will balance the emigration of entrepreneurs, the wealthy and high-value jobs to other countries is another matter

it'd be interesting to see how much more damage the tory party can do to the country

time to kill the rigged an corrupt fptp system, and the equally corrupt nonsense of the house of lords, introduce representative and accountable government, i.e. lie in public office, go straight to jail

Missing my point completely. I'm interested in Ricks apparent conversion to low tax amd low regulation.

I’m just interested in value for money so if I’m gonna be taxed up to the eyeballs I want sh!t to work and not have to hope that the ambulance will turn up as soon as they should when I have a heart attack.

I do also think all the Brexit stuff has had a big opportunity cost on improving regulation on emerging industries etc.

I think that revolut point is a good example of that. The rest of the world has moved on regarding regulation but Britain has spent the last half decade naval gazing at Brexit stuff.

I want value for money as well. Trouble is, that isn't likely to happen via the state regardless of party. So best not to overburden everyone trying to achieve the unachievable.

From where I'm looking at both personally and professionally, there is definitely scope to reduce both tax and regulation.

Stevo_666

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

Bit sad, isn't it?

Well people keep voting in leaders who say things like “if you are a citizen of the world you’re a citizen of nowhere” and “f@ck business” and “we want to deter people coming here” so Britain’s just getting what Britain deserves.

Sounds like you're building up to a plea for lower taxes and less regulation.

So who’s gonna deliver that?!

So you think that's the solution and its a question of who can deliver it? Now we're getting somewhere, Young Jedi

Honestly, if you wanted lower taxes and less regulation who would anybody vote for?

If you go for the obvious comedy answer then please explain why the next 5 years would reverse the actions of the previous 8.

Fair point as the Tories have not been headed in the right direction on this recently, but I think they are more likely to come back to it than any other party that has a chance of governing.

surrey_commuter

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

If a Labour win is as nailed on as some people claim, then the looney left is what we should be concerned about.

What do you think they would do worse than Brexit, nationalisation, increased red tape, yo-young corp tax and record high personal taxation?

Whilst I am quite content with Sunak, I find your fear of non blue rosettes to be strange as you seem to fear the very things your own side does.

rick_chasey

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

If a Labour win is as nailed on as some people claim, then the looney left is what we should be concerned about.

What do you think they would do worse than Brexit, nationalisation, increased red tape, yo-young corp tax and record high personal taxation?

Whilst I am quite content with Sunak, I find your fear of non blue rosettes to be strange as you seem to fear the very things your own side does.

Yes this isn’t 1979

briantrumpet

Sunday morning intrigue... as Vorderman says, Private Eye has been onto this for months... the one result left to declare, Redcar, and Houchen, who's milking the Teesworks freeport site...

https://twitter.com/carolvorders/status/1655130768878850048

rick_chasey

Stevo, isn’t Redcar what you left behind?

Stevo_666

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

If a Labour win is as nailed on as some people claim, then the looney left is what we should be concerned about.

What do you think they would do worse than Brexit, nationalisation, increased red tape, yo-young corp tax and record high personal taxation?

Whilst I am quite content with Sunak, I find your fear of non blue rosettes to be strange as you seem to fear the very things your own side does.

We'll have to see if they do get it, but I am not optimistic, especially if they end up with a slim majority and are then reliant on the swivel eyed hard left to get stuff through. They have said they won't go for a coalition with other parties, which makes this more likely.

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

Stevo, isn’t Redcar what you left behind?

Well remembered, that's my home town. Left once I'd finished uni.

morstar

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

If a Labour win is as nailed on as some people claim, then the looney left is what we should be concerned about.

What do you think they would do worse than Brexit, nationalisation, increased red tape, yo-young corp tax and record high personal taxation?

Whilst I am quite content with Sunak, I find your fear of non blue rosettes to be strange as you seem to fear the very things your own side does.

We'll have to see if they do get it, but I am not optimistic, especially if they end up with a slim majority and are then reliant on the swivel eyed hard left to get stuff through. They have said they won't go for a coalition with other parties, which makes this more likely.

They all ‘say’ that though. None of them mean it beyond hoping they won’t have to.

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

If a Labour win is as nailed on as some people claim, then the looney left is what we should be concerned about.

What do you think they would do worse than Brexit, nationalisation, increased red tape, yo-young corp tax and record high personal taxation?

Whilst I am quite content with Sunak, I find your fear of non blue rosettes to be strange as you seem to fear the very things your own side does.

Yes this isn’t 1979

And we sure as hell don't want to go back there.

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Why are people so convinced the Tories will be wiped out, so enabling them to de-loon themselves.

Surely it is more likely it will look like 1997 with 30% of the vote and 165 seats. As the safest seats seem to be held by the biggest loons there problems may only just be starting.

If a Labour win is as nailed on as some people claim, then the looney left is what we should be concerned about.

I'm not sure the party you want the Conservatives to be exists any more. They still recite the creed but their actions are diametrically opposed. It's difficult to think of how they could have been more obstructive to the construction and development sector.