LEAVE the Conservative Party and save your country!

surrey_commuter

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

There seems to be a lot of glee from people who profess to want the Tories to sort themselves out and that democracy needs an effective opposition.

If these results get too bad who would you want Sunak's replacement to be and who do you think it will be?

They need wiping out at the next General Election in the hope that they then re-emerge as a more moderate centre right party with the lunatic fringe consigned to history.

I don't think the Tories being wiped out and Labour having 200+ majority would benefit anybody

kingstongraham

surrey_commuter said:

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

There seems to be a lot of glee from people who profess to want the Tories to sort themselves out and that democracy needs an effective opposition.

If these results get too bad who would you want Sunak's replacement to be and who do you think it will be?

They need wiping out at the next General Election in the hope that they then re-emerge as a more moderate centre right party with the lunatic fringe consigned to history.

I don't think the Tories being wiped out and Labour having 200+ majority would benefit anybody

They need something to cause them to split and get rid of the nutcases.

surrey_commuter

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

morstar said:

surrey_commuter said:

There seems to be a lot of glee from people who profess to want the Tories to sort themselves out and that democracy needs an effective opposition.

If these results get too bad who would you want Sunak's replacement to be and who do you think it will be?

I think getting a slap down now in the 20 months prior to a GE is maybe a good thing. Gives them a chance to re-position themselves and marginalise the loons in the parliamentary party. But yes, I don't see a massive labour majority as a good thing in the same way the tory majority of this parliament has shown contempt for decency and fairness.

I have little sympathy for Rishi, but I hardly see these results as the direct result of his leadership, he inherited a mess (to which he was a key contributor of the economic aspects but not the behavioural ones). I'd be surprised if they get rid of him although I'm sure the fringes will see it as an opportunity to do so.

if you have over a 100 MPs who are 99% sure they will lose their seat/job under Rishi then on a personal level the rational option is to roll the dice and reinstall Boris or some other loon

They're being punished for giving is us 3 different prime ministers in 2022.

This idea that at this point the PM is what matters is stupid.

The party is dysfunctional and anyone who's not blinkered can see it.

Do you really not think there are 100 dysfunctional/blinkered Tory MPs who know they are fvcked so would happily go for a hail mary

Worth remembering that even losing 100 MPs, they are starting with around an 80 MP majority, so labour won't have that big a majority.

Not sure why I am unable to explain myself

My 100 number refers to people who have given up hope so will try anything such as forcing another leadership contest

I am not suggesting this is a good idea or whether it will succeeed and if it did whether it would help.

I am saying there will be a lot (ie 100+) Tory MPs who think they have nothing to lose

rick_chasey

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

morstar said:

surrey_commuter said:

There seems to be a lot of glee from people who profess to want the Tories to sort themselves out and that democracy needs an effective opposition.

If these results get too bad who would you want Sunak's replacement to be and who do you think it will be?

I think getting a slap down now in the 20 months prior to a GE is maybe a good thing. Gives them a chance to re-position themselves and marginalise the loons in the parliamentary party. But yes, I don't see a massive labour majority as a good thing in the same way the tory majority of this parliament has shown contempt for decency and fairness.

I have little sympathy for Rishi, but I hardly see these results as the direct result of his leadership, he inherited a mess (to which he was a key contributor of the economic aspects but not the behavioural ones). I'd be surprised if they get rid of him although I'm sure the fringes will see it as an opportunity to do so.

if you have over a 100 MPs who are 99% sure they will lose their seat/job under Rishi then on a personal level the rational option is to roll the dice and reinstall Boris or some other loon

They're being punished for giving is us 3 different prime ministers in 2022.

This idea that at this point the PM is what matters is stupid.

The party is dysfunctional and anyone who's not blinkered can see it.

Do you really not think there are 100 dysfunctional/blinkered Tory MPs who know they are fvcked so would happily go for a hail mary

Worth remembering that even losing 100 MPs, they are starting with around an 80 MP majority, so labour won't have that big a majority.

Not sure why I am unable to explain myself

My 100 number refers to people who have given up hope so will try anything such as forcing another leadership contest

I am not suggesting this is a good idea or whether it will succeeed and if it did whether it would help.

I am saying there will be a lot (ie 100+) Tory MPs who think they have nothing to lose

Sure, as I said before, Rishi *is* the hail mary.

Stevo_666

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

There seems to be a lot of glee from people who profess to want the Tories to sort themselves out and that democracy needs an effective opposition.

If these results get too bad who would you want Sunak's replacement to be and who do you think it will be?

They need wiping out at the next General Election in the hope that they then re-emerge as a more moderate centre right party with the lunatic fringe consigned to history.

Don't get too carried with away with this leftiebollox excitement:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/05/05/labour-local-election-gains-house-commons-majority/

kingstongraham

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

There seems to be a lot of glee from people who profess to want the Tories to sort themselves out and that democracy needs an effective opposition.

If these results get too bad who would you want Sunak's replacement to be and who do you think it will be?

They need wiping out at the next General Election in the hope that they then re-emerge as a more moderate centre right party with the lunatic fringe consigned to history.

Don't get to carried with away with this leftiebollox excitement:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/05/05/labour-local-election-gains-house-commons-majority/

Lovely stuff - that's even better (but it does somewhat ignore the shift in Scotland).

rjsterry

kingstongraham said:

surrey_commuter said:

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

There seems to be a lot of glee from people who profess to want the Tories to sort themselves out and that democracy needs an effective opposition.

If these results get too bad who would you want Sunak's replacement to be and who do you think it will be?

They need wiping out at the next General Election in the hope that they then re-emerge as a more moderate centre right party with the lunatic fringe consigned to history.

I don't think the Tories being wiped out and Labour having 200+ majority would benefit anybody

They need something to cause them to split and get rid of the nutcases.

They've had a reactionary nutcase wing since the early 19th century. If the Blair years didn't sort them out I can't imagine a term against Starmer will do it.

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

kingstongraham said:

surrey_commuter said:

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

There seems to be a lot of glee from people who profess to want the Tories to sort themselves out and that democracy needs an effective opposition.

If these results get too bad who would you want Sunak's replacement to be and who do you think it will be?

They need wiping out at the next General Election in the hope that they then re-emerge as a more moderate centre right party with the lunatic fringe consigned to history.

I don't think the Tories being wiped out and Labour having 200+ majority would benefit anybody

They need something to cause them to split and get rid of the nutcases.

They've had a reactionary nutcase wing since the early 19th century. If the Blair years didn't sort them out I can't imagine a term against Starmer will do it.

Everyone said that what Labour needed when Corbyn was in charge, but it never happened.

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

There seems to be a lot of glee from people who profess to want the Tories to sort themselves out and that democracy needs an effective opposition.

If these results get too bad who would you want Sunak's replacement to be and who do you think it will be?

They need wiping out at the next General Election in the hope that they then re-emerge as a more moderate centre right party with the lunatic fringe consigned to history.

Don't get to carried with away with this leftiebollox excitement:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/05/05/labour-local-election-gains-house-commons-majority/

Curtice was on the radio this morning. He was pretty clear that a Conservative loss is more or less nailed on. The question is whether Labour win by enough to not need a coalition.

Pross

Stevo_666 said:

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

There seems to be a lot of glee from people who profess to want the Tories to sort themselves out and that democracy needs an effective opposition.

If these results get too bad who would you want Sunak's replacement to be and who do you think it will be?

They need wiping out at the next General Election in the hope that they then re-emerge as a more moderate centre right party with the lunatic fringe consigned to history.

Don't get to carried with away with this leftiebollox excitement:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/05/05/labour-local-election-gains-house-commons-majority/

I don't think anyone is suggesting the local elections provide any guide to a General Election result. My comment was purely what I feel would be needed for the Tories to appeal to a wider electorate again. They did well in 2019 by being 'the Party of Brexit' which appeal to some non-traditional Tory voters but the shine has gone off that and Brexit is 'done' so they now need to try to get back to appealing to the middle ground voters which (using my sample of one previous Tory voter) means ditching the loons that have taken over the Party. It's exactly the same problem Labour had under Corbyn, the hardcore voters might love it but elections are won and lost by attracting the moderate voters.

kingstongraham

tailwindhome said:

Nearly there!

pblakeney

Interesting that currently a not tory or labour coalition would hold the majority.

surrey_commuter

Is Epsom unique in having 26 of the 35 seats held by Residents Association?

briantrumpet

kingstongraham said:

tailwindhome said:

Nearly there!

Tis but a flesh wound.

briantrumpet

The reply tweet from Hodges didn't age too well. Guess he's disappointed the stuff he was fed about Sue Gray didn't pan out.

briantrumpet

Just one Tory council left in the whole of Devon.

kingstongraham

Surely the "this isn't great for Labour " takes ignore the 20% for the Lib dems, which will go straight to Labour where they can win.

briantrumpet

kingstongraham said:

Surely the "this isn't great for Labour " takes ignore the 20% for the Lib dems, which will go straight to Labour where they can win.

I think it also overlooks the fact that people will see absolutely that tactical voting will rid us of these turbulent Tories - the Devon results are utterly brutal for Tories (except Torbay). I'd be fascinated to know how much an effect sites like https://stopthetories.vote/ had, but if similar efforts are made at the General Election, the wilderness beckons for Tories, which is where they need to go to rediscover their purpose and intellectual and moral foundations. Perhaps they need to resurrect the cones hotline in place of the 'Stop The Boats' mantra.

Pross

From the BBC:

“Education Minister Robert Halfon said this year's election was always "going to be difficult" for his party.
He said internal Tory Party divisions "didn't help" but claimed the losses were down to external factors, such as the cost-of-living crisis and problems in the NHS.”

I can accept there are external factors at play in the cost of living crisis but it seems odd that the Education Secretary considers ‘problems in the NHS’ to be an external factor. Maybe this is the issue, the Government doesn’t realise the NHS is their responsibility!

kingstongraham

Surrey Heath 😄

dabber

kingstongraham said:

Surrey Heath 😄

Yup, glad my vote wasn't wasted

surrey_commuter

kingstongraham said:

Surely the "this isn't great for Labour " takes ignore the 20% for the Lib dems, which will go straight to Labour where they can win.

And likewise they will lose votes to the LibDems.

It is a great result for the Greens and LibDems but I am sure Labour will have hoped to do much better

pblakeney

Tories currently -1014.
That pessimistic prediction has been surpassed.

briantrumpet

pblakeney said:

Tories currently -1014.
That pessimistic prediction has been surpassed.

"It was only a few more than we had predicted, so overall I think Starmer will be disappointed."

kingstongraham

pblakeney said:

Tories currently -1014.
That pessimistic prediction has been surpassed.

rick_chasey

Stevo did kent council go red?

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

Stevo did kent council go red?

Sevenoaks is still blue

briantrumpet

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo did kent council go red?

Sevenoaks is still blue

Must be feeling slightly lonely down there...

briantrumpet

So what's trending, Twitter?

Stevo_666

briantrumpet said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo did kent council go red?

Sevenoaks is still blue

Must be feeling slightly lonely down there...

Nice blue wall we've got there in NW Kent and South Essex. It's a little oasis of success.